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Polk vs Bose Setup, Interesting thoughts

I spent a few hours reading dozens of Anti-Bose forum postings, but I don't understand it.

My coworker friend recently bought a Polk home theater setup consisting of Yamaha A3030, SuperCube 6000, Rti12 Fronts, CSI5 Center, & Rti8 surrounds. He spent about $4800. I went on eBay and seems I can get it for $3500 cheapest pieced out. I admit it sounded wonderful when we watched a bunch of action movies and looked extreme.

I wanted something ASAP, so went and bought the BOSE 535 system for $3300 for this Labor Day weekend. I figured for sure it'd be laughable at that price point and would return this Tuesday and order 'real' speakers just like my friend. I hooked it up in about 15 minutes and have been watching movies non-stop. I think the sound is great and when I look at their size, ease of use, it's almost unbelievable. His setup was better, but isn't it obvious that 600lbs of HUGE floor standing speakers/subs/receivers would be? I feel the experience is very enjoyable, even compared to a "real" setup. My only complaint is the bass doesn't punch you in the gut(I felt like I was getting punched in Iron Man), but it's still very enjoyable.

I think it's unfair to call this system bad by any stretch of the imagination.

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No it's not unfair. I've heard Bose, and I wouldn't want one if it were free. I can build a better sounding, higher quality, more upgradable, higher quality components and build for less than half of the BOSE 535 system.

Iwould rather have these

Considerbly cheaper and better
http://www.creative-audio.co.uk/HD.p...HCP_51&ID=6934


same price as the Bose 535
http://www.creative-audio.co.uk/HD.p...OR7_51&ID=7779

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DMW3015: You won't get a lot of support here or elsewhere. That being said, you are obviously really enjoying your Bose setup, seem to know where you feel it is limiting, yet are pleased with your purchase. Don't let anyone here try to take that away from you. You didn't buy Bose blindly and listened to at least one alternative (I would have preferred you to listen to several alternatives). You need to please no one but yourself, and certainly not anyone on these or other forums. Just sit back and enjoy your purchase, and don't worry about changing other peoples' minds. It won't happen .
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I wanted something ASAP, so went and bought the BOSE 535 system for $3300 for this Labor Day weekend.
I think it's unfair to call this system bad by any stretch of the imagination.
I can appreciate you wanting something ASAP, been there
Done that.

The thing is for $3300 the "folks" here on this forum could
Have helped you put together a VERY GOOD system for
The same or probably even less money.

There are technical problems with the Bose system. You have
Already noted that the bose system doesn't dig as deep as
You would like and it never will. There is also a big problem
With the frequency response of the system. The little cubes
Will only play so low and the bose "bass module" does not
Reach up high enough to cover that "gap", so you end up
"Missing" a large piece of the frequency response of what
You hear.

If you decide to dump the Bose come back and we
Can help you put together a very solid system that
Performs the way a $3300 set up should.
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If you decide to dump the Bose come back and we
Can help you put together a very solid system that
Performs the way a $3300 set up should.
Like I said you don't need to spend $3300. £589 Wharfedale DX-1 and Yamaha 675, way outclass the Bose and almost 4 times cheaper!

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No offense intended, but this really falls under "ignorance is bliss".

It seems like you were looking for a "lifestyle" system, and didn't really want huge heavy speakers. There are SO MANY better choices for the price than the Bose system you chose. Some examples:

- PSB Imagine Mini
- Zu Audio cubes
- Gallo A'Diva Ti
- Focal Dome

Any of those 4 would not only be better than the Bose system, it would completely embarrass it in a direct comparison. And all of those I listed above are small speakers that could fall in the "lifestyle" category.

Bose isn't bad per se. The reason it tends to be mocked is because there are so many other choices at the same price that are far better. Also, based on one poll Bose has the highest brand recognition of any audio company. I would bet that a large percentage of the people who consider Bose a high end brand haven't even heard of the companies above.

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Grasshoppers, I'd be glad to listen to recommendations for me to research. I'm not going to turn down intelligent offers of advice. I used to have a Companion 5 which I sold for a KEF x300AW setup for my PC. Which led me to possibly consider the KEF T305 setup. I like the thin stylish approach, although I do see the inherit benefit to monster floor standing ones.

By ASAP it was literally driving my Corvette, 15 minutes before the store closed type of purchase. It fit just fine and off I went.
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Here are links to the 4 companies I mentioned above. They are all serious Hi-Fi quality but have "lifestyle" size options, and all have things in your price range.

PSB: www.psbspeakers.com
Zu Audio: www.zuaudio.com
Gallo: www.roundsound.com
Focal: www.focal.com
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First, your friend's system isn't what many of us would consider here a best price/performance value either. The SuperCube 6000 is a bit over priced in performance for what you get. One pay's a premium in performance for going with the small size. There are certainly much better subs in the $700 to $800 range than the 6000.

Then, for an HT setup, spending money on towers is generally unnecessary. One is paying for extra low bass extension that one doesn't need if one buys a good sub. You don't need monster floor standing speakers. Good monitor/bookshelf size speakers are an excellent choice and are much better performers than small cube speakers. It's physics. Tiny drivers cannot compete with larger drivers.

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I think it's unfair to call this system bad by any stretch of the imagination.
It's not that it's bad, the issue is that you could have gotten just as good a result spending half as much elsewhere. The time to have come here for advice was before you paid twice what you should have, not after. The same applies to your friend, as already mentioned he could have done a lot better for that outlay, or done just as well for a lot less.

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It's not that it's bad, the issue is that you could have gotten just as good a result spending half as much elsewhere. The time to have come here for advice was before you paid twice what you should have, not after. The same applies to your friend, as already mentioned he could have done a lot better for that outlay, or done just as well for a lot less.
Some people have to go through the five stages of grief before they are ready to accept that they could do much better on their HT purchase, particularly when it comes to Bose (lol).
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Some people have to go through the five stages of grief before they are ready to accept that they could do much better on their HT purchase, particularly when it comes to Bose (lol).
Many more undergo something more akin to Stockholm Syndrome. Of course, the same applies to many buyers of overpriced cables, power conditioners, isolation devices, shakti stones, magic pebbles...the list is endless.
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First of all, it's 1 day old and well within the return policy, there is NO grief lol.

So what's a good setup that I can get delivered next week? Easy to assemble, looks good, sounds great, etc. KEF T305 fits the bill, but it's definitely no cheaper.

Too many people bash BOSE. It's playing now, and it's definitely NOT terrible. Could I have spent half? Maybe, but that doesn't mean it sounds terrible.
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I used Bose for years, before I was able to set up a dedicated ht room. The cubes were great. I used them with a dedicated receiver and powered sub. To me, they were awesome. Do they sound better than my current setup, no, but they fit the bill nicely. Definitely a niche market, but then again, ht is a niche market...
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I have sonos speakers but I also have my dedicated speakers for critical listening.I like the simplicity of sonos.
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First of all, it's 1 day old and well within the return policy, there is NO grief lol.

So what's a good setup that I can get delivered next week? Easy to assemble, looks good, sounds great, etc. KEF T305 fits the bill, but it's definitely no cheaper.

Too many people bash BOSE. It's playing now, and it's definitely NOT terrible. Could I have spent half? Maybe, but that doesn't mean it sounds terrible.
All that matters is you - it is about you and your enjoyment.

However, if you want a small sat system - then I would take a hard look at this EMP system.
The word on the EMP company and their speakers is good
http://emptek.com/cinema5.php

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All that matters is you - it is about you and your enjoyment.

However, if you want a small sat system - then I would take a hard look at this EMP system.
The word on the EMP company and their speakers is good
http://emptek.com/cinema5.php
However, this is a nice option here - NHT
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=3830

Nhthifi
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Too many people bash BOSE. It's playing now, and it's definitely NOT terrible. Could I have spent half? Maybe, but that doesn't mean it sounds terrible.
You're wrapping up two missions in one here. You've got to figure out what you want to do. Do you want to try to convince people on this forum that the Bose Lifestyle system isn't horrible? That is a provable assertion, and has been proven false. The gaps in Bose systems' aren't some matter of debatable audiophile speculation; they're flat out gaps in performance at specific areas of the spectrum. If you don't hear them, then that's fortunate for you, because you can simply keep the system you've got and move on with life.

If your goal is to identify a system that fits your budget and will perform better than the Bose, then cel4145 has tossed you a soft pitch. Head over to the FAQ and assemble the necessary information.

If you search the forum for "Bose", you'll see that this is well-tread ground. There's no point in re-hashing it once again. If you enjoy the system, then enjoy it. I had a Bose Livestyle system that I enjoyed for years. A very good friend was an audio production engineer for broadway shows, and he used to drill me every time he came over. It just didn't bother me... until it did. Fortunately, I bought the system back when a Bose 5.1 setup cost $1,500. I sold the speakers and my old Sony receiver for $500 and bought a (also inexpensive) floor-standing + subwoofer setup that absolutely blew my mind after coming from the Bose. And I didn't buy a particularly outstanding set of speakers.

Bottom line is, if you're happy with what you have, and you've heard "better", but don't care... then why bother trying to convince anyone else that they shouldn't care either?
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I think Dr. Bose has allowed his Marketing Department get the
best of him. Few of us have experienced the original Bose
flagship product, the 901, in a properly installed setting.
It's long gone into the history of audio. It was hugely
controversial at the time and likely will stir up some old
ghosts here.

Forget accuracy and just look for what good Dr. Bose was after.
I once had the opportunity to experience what at the time was
called "Bose on Glass". An install of 901's precisely as called
for in Bose's papers:

http://www.audiofriends.nl/bose/901/...DINGEN/901.pdf

http://worldwide.bose.com/axa/assets...1iii_guide.pdf

In the install I experienced the back wall was completely
covered in glass and that glass was covered by a light drape.
Basically the speaker was firing into a highly reflective,
and some what dispersive, surface. The install was using the
Bose equalizer and if I remember the amp was a big Crown.
Plenty of power and damping factor. The sidewalls were
not covered by glass.

That thing was some kinda fun to listen to. It all had
nothing to do with accuracy. Unfortunately that sound is
completely removed from what you hear from the Bose
offerings of today.
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So what's a good setup that I can get delivered next week? Easy to assemble, looks good, sounds great, etc.
What do you mean by "looks good?" That's a personal value judgment. You have to do more to describe that.

Once again, I would also encourage you to address all the questions in item 1 in the Basic Speaker Setup FAQ. Probably would help you to read the rest of the FAQ, too.

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However, this is a nice option here - NHT
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=3830

Nhthifi
http://www.nhthifi.com/
I checked them out, they have the look I'm liking. Exactly how superior are these sets of speakers? And what type of Receiver is recommended? I need something that has a Mic and configures itself to the room. Like I said, open to recommendations.
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I checked them out, they have the look I'm liking. Exactly how superior are these sets of speakers?
Definitely better than Bose cube speakers.

The subwoofer's performance will depend largely on the size of your room.

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I checked them out, they have the look I'm liking. Exactly how superior are these sets of speakers? And what type of Receiver is recommended? I need something that has a Mic and configures itself to the room. Like I said, open to recommendations.
How good are they really? To put it mildly - Bose will be leaving the room, they are not
much competition sound wise. The NHT Classic sound is clearly better. I also prefer the
NHT Classic sound over Polk. The NHT, should/would be an Ear opener for you.

This would be a nice receiver option for you - Denon X2000
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX2...x2000&skipvs=T

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Grasshoppers, I'd be glad to listen to recommendations for me to research. I'm not going to turn down intelligent offers of advice. I used to have a Companion 5 which I sold for a KEF x300AW setup for my PC. Which led me to possibly consider the KEF T305 setup. I like the thin stylish approach, although I do see the inherit benefit to monster floor standing ones.

By ASAP it was literally driving my Corvette, 15 minutes before the store closed type of purchase. It fit just fine and off I went.
I have the e305's and an extra 2 to make 7
Paired with a Sony 1800 ES AVR that gets a nice lifestyle type system for about $2k at retail prices.
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It's not that it's bad, the issue is that you could have gotten just as good a result spending half as much elsewhere. The time to have come here for advice was before you paid twice what you should have, not after. The same applies to your friend, as already mentioned he could have done a lot better for that outlay, or done just as well for a lot less.
Bose give you 30 or 90 days to try? Right? It's not to late yet.
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First of all, it's 1 day old and well within the return policy, there is NO grief lol.

So what's a good setup that I can get delivered next week? Easy to assemble, looks good, sounds great, etc. KEF T305 fits the bill, but it's definitely no cheaper.

Too many people bash BOSE. It's playing now, and it's definitely NOT terrible. Could I have spent half? Maybe, but that doesn't mean it sounds terrible.
The T305 wall units go down yo 80-90 Hz.
The sub goes up to 90 Hz. They meet in the middle and don't leave a sonic hole.
That's what you will find that you will hear is missing in the Bose.
It makes a massive difference to dialog in movies, makes things more musical and more.
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Well, since your purchase isn't cast in stone, and someone mentioned EMP Tek, for the $3,300 you paid for the Bose system, you could get the following:

E55Ti Towers: http://emptek.com/towers.php

They made Audioholics 2014 top audio gear of the year: http://emptek.com/PDF_Files/AH_Top_A...e_for_2014.pdf
A review from Audioholics: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...tml#post980067
If you look at their page you will see other reviews and a picture gallery.

$695 / pair

E5Bi Bookshelf: http://emptek.com/e5bi.php

Andrew Robinson review: http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek...aker-reviewed/

$225 / pair (not including the speaker stands you'll need, which you should be able to get for $100 - $150)

E5Ci Center Channel: http://emptek.com/e5ci.php

$195

or

E56Ci Center Channel: http://emptek.com/e56ci.php

$395

So, for a grand total of $1,115 you have a 5.0 system that not only is very good, but beautiful (add $200 for the bigger center channel)

For an AVR, you could consider a Denon X2000 on sale at Crutchfield for $399: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3jvAQfq...Receivers.html

Now you're in for a grand total of $1,514 (with the E5Ci center channel)

That leaves you with almost $1,800 for one or more subwoofers. Subwoofers, however, are a whole new ballgame and depends upon room volume and whether that room is open to other rooms. You'll find outstanding subwoofers with great value from the following companies: Hsu Research, Outlaw Audio, Power Sound Audio (PSA), Reaction Audio, Rythmik Audio and SVS.

I can pretty much guarantee you that there would be no comparison to make.
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I'm on the NHT website for the Absolute 5.1 Surround System. Given the 30 day trial, there's little harm. They also sell a Marantz SR5009 that would satisfy my needs. Perhaps a bit too extreme, but I like the look and connectivity so to me that's worth a few hundred more. That'll put me at $3K.

Anyone see a flaw in this proposal? We'll see, just got done watching 300(Rise sequel) and it sounded good.
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Anyone see a flaw in this proposal? We'll see, just got done watching 300(Rise sequel) and it sounded good.
No real flaw - and worth the trial - I believe you have till midnight on the package special
So take note >>>
http://www.nhthifi.com/

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No real flaw - and worth the trial - I believe you have till midnight on the package special
So take note >>>
http://www.nhthifi.com/
However, there is a Marantz here for $200 off
http://www.amazon.com/Marantz-SR5008...marantz+sr5008

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