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Old 01-14-2015, 07:59 PM - Thread Starter
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5.1 scenario in bright room.

OK. I have a room (another one) I'm setting up for my dad for 5.1 (possibly 5.2?) that is in a 12X16 room with wood floors and is open (kind of) on one of the 12 foot sides. I have a Pioneer VSX-824 right now. I realize this is going to be a bright room and he doesn't want bass traps and other acoustic panels in the room. Going for bookshelf speakers all around.
My question is this. With a room so "bright", is there a particular brand that stands out in this particular environment? Budget for the five speakers is no more than $1,000. 50/50 music/movies.

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I have very similar setup and I've been happy with SVS speakers set. Check it out svsound.com
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OK. I have a room (another one) I'm setting up for my dad for 5.1 (possibly 5.2?) that is in a 12X16 room with wood floors and is open (kind of) on one of the 12 foot sides. I have a Pioneer VSX-824 right now. I realize this is going to be a bright room and he doesn't want bass traps and other acoustic panels in the room. Going for bookshelf speakers all around.
My question is this. With a room so "bright", is there a particular brand that stands out in this particular environment? Budget for the five speakers is no more than $1,000. 50/50 music/movies.
At least wood floors aren't as reflective as tile, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. You have a few nice alternatives for a grand. I'll start with the cheapest first, but even the cheapest are very well thought of speakers.

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$165 / pair (shipping extra) Philharmonic Audio Affordable Accuracy bookshelf speakers: http://philharmonicaudio.com/ and http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html

Add two more of these for your rear speakers and the $100 center channel and you are at $430 plus shipping, leaving you over $500 for a good sub.

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$225 / pair (includes shipping) EMP Tek R5Bi bookshelf speaker (formally E5Bi): http://emptek.com/r5bi.php (I own these and use a third R5Bi for the center channel)

Add that third R5Bi for the center and two E3b's at $125/pair ( http://emptek.com/e3b.php ) for your rears and you are at $462 which includes shipping. Again, leaving you with more than $500 for a good sub. The problem here is that the R5Bi's won't be available until late Feb or early March.

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$219 - $249 / pair (? shipping) HTD Level TWO bookshelf speaker: http://www.htd.com/Products/bookshel...shelf-Speakers

$139 - $159 (? shipping) Level TWO center channel: http://www.htd.com/Products/level-tw...hannel-Speaker

Add $178 / pair Middy Compacts for the rear: http://www.htd.com/Products/flat-pan...ompact-speaker

Total for the above is $536 - $586 (check about shipping costs). The price differences here are for the different finishes.

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Since both rooms are probably close to the top of the medium size room (or bottom of a large size room), your subwoofer requirements won't be exactly light. You have a choice of a couple of budget subs (such as Dayton SUB-1200 or -1500) or a single good sub (such as the SVS PB-1000).

Music area: Magnepan 3.6, McIntosh MC2205 & C48, SVS SB13-Ultra, Oppo BDP 95 and assorted equipment.
Movie area: EMP Tek R5Bi, PSA XS30, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
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Those EMPs look tasty. I have spoiled myself listening to Focal 800s and B&W 600 series. Would they be close to these? They seem a little low on the sensitivity range.

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Unfortunately, I haven't auditioned the Focals, and the B & W I auditioned at Best Buy Magnolia store I don't remember the model number (but were around the same price as the Def Tech SM-55s I had auditioned there -- close to the $600 mark). But if you've heard a speaker you really like (such as the focal or B & W), then those are the speakers to compare others by. The only way of doing that is by audition.

The aforementioned speakers of my previous post are just suggestions for you to audition from reviews I've read, how people like them here and looking at their specifications (except for the EMP Teks). Plus, they all fall within a budget that allows for a decent to good subwoofer. The only way to audition them is to order them and try them out in your home for 30 days (you pay shipping back). Another speaker I should have mentioned that I did audition (and fits your budget) is the Hsu Resarch HB-1 Mk 2 @ $159 each, not including shipping (they also have a matching center channel): http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html While these are horn speakers, I did not find them overly bright.

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Andrew Robinson review: http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek...aker-reviewed/
My review here on AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/dbtrev...4850&ri=review

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I'd add NHT SuperOnes to your list. A nice soft dome tweeter that is smooth and neutral.

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I'd add NHT SuperOnes to your list. A nice soft dome tweeter that is smooth and neutral.
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OK. I have a room (another one) I'm setting up for my dad for 5.1 (possibly 5.2?) that is in a 12X16 room with wood floors and is open (kind of) on one of the 12 foot sides. I have a Pioneer VSX-824 right now. I realize this is going to be a bright room and he doesn't want bass traps and other acoustic panels in the room. Going for bookshelf speakers all around.
My question is this. With a room so "bright", is there a particular brand that stands out in this particular environment? Budget for the five speakers is no more than $1,000. 50/50 music/movies.
A surprising good speaker with a smooth treble, that has good detail and definition
is the Sony Core series - and on sale at Best Buy and Amazon

Bookshelf
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-cor...&skuId=5721014

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSCS5-3-D...eries+speakers

Center
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-cor...&skuId=5720006

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-2-way-cen...eries+speakers

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Some didn't catch that the $1,000 is for the 5 speakers. NOT including the sub. I can budget over for stands. The B&W 685s are so close in budget for a 4.0 set up. There is a smaller Focal (705 I believe) but have not heard the smaller driver Focals. The smallest ones I have heard were the 806s I believe. With the 6.5 inch mid.

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Some didn't catch that the $1,000 is for the 5 speakers.
Good prices on Focal here
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ack-ash/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ack-ash/1.html

Surrounds - Wharfedale
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...osewood/1.html

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Then the surrounds linked above
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15500-w...peaker-ea.aspx
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The Sony is still a nice recommendation - regardless of budget

And in one review, the B&W CM1 S2 did not roll over it

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SOLD ON THE FOCALS!! I never looked at the accessories4less site. (palming forehead) On a side not on the B&W CM1, I once side by side tested the CM5 with a 685. I could tell a difference. However, it was so slight, I could not justify the price difference.

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SOLD ON THE FOCALS!! I never looked at the accessories4less site. (palming forehead) On a side not on the B&W CM1, I once side by side tested the CM5 with a 685. I could tell a difference. However, it was so slight, I could not justify the price difference.
Let the adventure begin - have fun

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Have you listened to any Focals???? I did and they sound bright. Did not care for them one bit.

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Have you listened to any Focals???? I did and they sound bright. Did not care for them one bit.
I have listened to 806Vs and the 700 series towers. I never found them "bright" at all. Just very clear. Like a lot have found however, they do seem to lack the bass compared to other lines with similar specs. Colorization with the other models?? How they pair with the Pioneer 824 is to be seen however. It's my dads $$$ so I can't change that.

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Let the adventure begin - have fun
I have been down this road a few times. And will again in the future. My dad has bought a new place and he wants new stuff. I have been "out of the loop" for a few years and equipment has changed a bit!

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