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5.1 HT $3,000 Budget CMT-340SE vs EMP Tek R55Ti

After a lot of research, advice, opinions, and reading I have narrowed down my 5.1 HT to getting the Hsu VTF-15H MK2 subwoofer and as for speakers it's between CMT-340SE or EMP Tek R55Ti. The subwoofer puts me at $1,000 and front, center, and surround speakers from either EMP Tek or Ascend Acoustics puts me at another $1,300. This way I have $600-700 left over to choose a receiver.

What do you guys prefer and is there any reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on the Hsu & CMT/EMP combo for my $3,000 budget?

The room itself 18x16 feet:

Connecting stairway:

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I have heard them both, in fact, I have heard them both in my room. Not quite, my EMPs are the EMPtek e5ti, so I have one less woofer. Really a toss up.

The AA cmt340 has better bass, but with the sub you are proposing, that is not such a big deal.

The EMP has excellent midbass, so slight advantage there and is a far more aesthetically pleasing speaker.

Both produce a sound that is clear, detailed, but very neutral. Both are sensitive enough to play pretty loud and both should have plenty of umph for your room!

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The AA cmt340 has better bass, but with the sub you are proposing, that is not such a big deal.

The EMP has excellent midbass, so slight advantage there and is a far more aesthetically pleasing speaker.

Both produce a sound that is clear, detailed, but very neutral. Both are sensitive enough to play pretty loud and both should have plenty of umph for your room!
One advantage of the CMT-340 SE is that it has greater sensitivity, especially in comparison to the R56Ci center if that's what would be used, although either system should be sensitive enough. In addition, the CMT-340 SE is physically smaller as a center and has a significantly lower tweeter-mid crossover frequency, which should give it better horizontal dispersion in the most critical midrange region for off-center viewers. I also like that it is identical to the left & right fronts, although the R56Ci seems substantially similar to the R55Ti.
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So far I have the Sony 55" W800B, Sony VPL-HW40ES, and Hsu VTF-15H MK2. Now I just need to decide on speakers and receiver.
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I have heard them both, in fact, I have heard them both in my room. Not quite, my EMPs are the EMPtek e5ti, so I have one less woofer. Really a toss up.
Quite a few people have had the smaller and now discontinued e5ti tower right next to the larger e55ti (now r55ti) tower and say it's no comparison. You add the extra 6.5", you're right, but you also have an MTM up top that's enclosed. No doubt the e5ti's were a bargain though, especially at the prices they had them when they were being discontinued. Someone had them next to their KEF q900's and said they sounded strikingly similar from upper midbass and up.

OP, according to my calculations..

Ascend w/o matching stands: $1,194
Ascend with matching stands: $1,372
EMP/RBH setup: $1,315 (could have been a bit lower if you bought a month or so ago )

Both will likely please you AT THIS PRICE POINT. Two of the most referred setups at this budget I see on here. I will say that unless you're trying to get pre-outs for an external amp or something of that nature, setting aside $600+ for the AVR is, in my opinion, not the best thing to do. Seeing that room, I'd spend $300-350 on the AVR, maybe a tad more if needed, and the rest on room treatments. Maybe even a mini-DSP if you want to go that far.

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Thanks for the input. I'm almost done finishing up my 5.1 HT... I even need to buy furniture lol. What do you guys think about this sofa set?

http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden...5/product.html
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Sofas and chairs are something I would want to look at in person to see build quality. That set doesn't look bad from the pictures though. Make sure you look at feedback with respect to build quality from that manufacturer before pulling the trigger.
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Macy's is having a nice furniture sale atm. Picked one up myself. Check out the limited-time specials.


http://www1.macys.com/shop/furniture...9391_furniture
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If your primary listening is going to be HT/surround then I would lean towards the Ascend 340's - I think that setup has an advantage re the center speaker matching the LR mains.
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I'll be doing 80% HT and 20% music.
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If your primary listening is going to be HT/surround then I would lean towards the Ascend 340's - I think that setup has an advantage re the center speaker matching the LR mains.
Both are going to be horizontally placed with MTM or WMTMW configurations anyways. The r56ci center is the same as the tower minus 1 6.5" woofer. After running MultEQ XT, I have no difference in sound from FL-C-FR.

Like I said, either one will be fine. In my opinion, one clearly looks MUCH nicer, but that's just my opinion. Why not pick up the EMP towers and Ascend bookshelves w/ stands and compare.

Another option would be to go with the 3 r5 bookshelves across the front if you can. Heck of a lot cheaper option and you'll have some of the nicer sounding bookshelves around this price. There have been TONS of claims about that

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Again, in a direct comparison in my room, the smaller EMP tower, the now discontiued e5Ti, was EVERY BIT as good as the Ascend Acoustic CMT340. I am very careful to say as good and not better, as it really was a toss up. In terms of drivers, the CMT340 and the e5Ti is the more fair comparison, as both have dual woofers and dome tweeter (the EMP also has a midrange driver).
Again, my freind Ray and I found better bass from the AA CMT340, better midrange from the EMP and found both speakers to be very clear, detail and mostly neutral. IMHO, the EMP is a better looking speaker and my e5Ti cost per pair less than Ray spent to one speaker. We both agree, the CMT340 was a bit better if 2 ch music was your deal and the EMPs were a bit better for HT content (I think they tend to dissapear better, creating a wider soundstage, but then again, that might be different in your room).

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BTW, the "EMP" loudspeakers are now called the "RBH Impression Series" loudspeakers.

http://rbhsound.com/impressionseries.php
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Okay! About to pull the plug on the speakers today, but I'm still undecided between the two haha. Well the EMP Tek does have some grade B r55ti's for $550 shipped and I need the tower/stand so Ascend acoustics would be $700 for the two front CMT-340's and tower stands.
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Order both and send back whichever you don't like?

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Order both (minus the stands) and send back whichever you don't like?

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I just went ahead and ordered the EMP Tek R55ti b-stock towers for $550. In my room setup I need towers since running in wall bookshelves seems like more $ and a hassle to run the wire, plus the EMP Teks are much cheaper since the AA's would require the stands to be full tower @ $700 so yeah.

Thanks everyone for the help and advice!
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I just went ahead and ordered the EMP Tek R55ti b-stock towers for $550. In my room setup I need towers since running in wall bookshelves seems like more $ and a hassle to run the wire, plus the EMP Teks are much cheaper since the AA's would require the stands to be full tower @ $700 so yeah.

Thanks everyone for the help and advice!
Congratulations on your choice! I know it is never an easy choice to make, since both give high quality sound. I hope the R55Ti is everything you're looking for.

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Congrats. Hope you enjoy. Give them a few weeks and if you don't like...send 'em back. If your in the midwest or west it shouldn't be too much to ship back.

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Congrat on your choice and be sure to post impressions in the EMPtek owner thread.
**Official EMP Owner's Thread**

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