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Best 5.0 options with towers FLR for $1500?

I currently have a Yamaha A840 AVR and a BIC F12 (might upgrade as well) and some old HTIB speakers that desperately need to be replaced. Normally used for 50/50 HT and Music. I would prefer towers for front so that I dont have to put the extra money saved by bookshelves into stands. Limited to <20in width for center channel due to existing furniture.
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I currently have a Yamaha A840 AVR and a BIC F12 (might upgrade as well) and some old HTIB speakers that desperately need to be replaced. Normally used for 50/50 HT and Music. I would prefer towers for front so that I dont have to put the extra money saved by bookshelves into stands. Limited to <20in width for center channel due to existing furniture.
I am in the process of upgrading my fronts as well. You can get a pair of POLK LSIM705 for less than 1k or a set of Def Tech Mythos SuperTower for less than 1k. They both will sound superb. The next upgrade from them will be over 10k.
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Pioneer AJ set would be at the top of the list - you didn't mention a budget but I'm assuming it's not huge and these towers would be a good fit with the F12. The center clocks in at 18" wide.

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I am in the process of upgrading my fronts as well. You can get a pair of POLK LSIM705 for less than 1k or a set of Def Tech Mythos SuperTower for less than 1k. They both will sound superb. The next upgrade from them will be over 10k.
Love the warm sound of the LSi series, but it should be noted that they are a 4 ohm speaker that many AVRs will struggle to power adequately.

Def Techs have the opposite sound signature, forward and (to many ears) on the bright side.

Both speakers are about double the OP's stated budget.
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Love the warm sound of the LSi series, but it should be noted that they are a 4 ohm speaker that many AVRs will struggle to power adequately.

Def Techs have the opposite sound signature, forward and (to many ears) on the bright side.

Both speakers are about double the OP's stated budget.
This is the LSIM, they are actually 8ohms.

On top of that, most of them are below 1500. Please check the classified around your area or on the forums.

The ST You can definitely get for under 1500. The LSIM707 you wont find under that price but the LSIM705 you will.
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Budget is $1500 for FLRC and surrounds.
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This is the LSIM, they are actually 8ohms.
Huh, didn't know that, thanks....but this means they might have a totally different sound than the older LSi series. Will have to find some place to hear them sometime.
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Huh, didn't know that, thanks....but this means they might have a totally different sound than the older LSi series. Will have to find some place to hear them sometime.
You wont be disappointed. They are significantly better than the LSIs.
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Budget is $1500 for FLRC and surrounds.
This would be my rec, about $1250 shipped and very easy to drive:

Chane A3 towers for L/R
Chane A2 center speaker
Chane A1 for surrounds

http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-loudspeakers

There is a dedicated thread for the Chanes here on AVS, they are well regarded.

Normally I'd recommend the Ascend CMT-340SEs but they aren't towers (although Ascend does sell special stands that make them look/function like towers), which I used to own many years ago and was quite happy with.
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I just provided all I got

+ Energy Reference Connoisseur Series (2x RC-70 / 1x RC-LCR / 2x RC-10) => around $900
+ Polk Audio RTi Series (2x RTi-A7 / 1x CSi-A6 / 2x RTi-A3) => around $1370
+ EMPTek Impression Series (2x R55ti / 1x R56Ci / 2x R5Bi) => around $1310
+ Chane A5rx-c Series (2x A5rx / 1x A2rx / 2x A1rx) => around $1385 (note: shipping cost is high)
+ HTD L3 Series (2x Tower / 1x Center / 2x Bkshelf) => around $1328 ($1467 for Limited Edition)
+ SVS Prime Series (2x Tower / 1x Center / 2x Bkshelf) => around $1550 (package deal)
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I just provided all I got

+ Energy Reference Connoisseur Series (2x RC-70 / 1x RC-LCR / 2x RC-10) => around $900
+ Polk Audio RTi Series (2x RTi-A7 / 1x CSi-A6 / 2x RTi-A3) => around $1370
+ EMPTek Impression Series (2x R55ti / 1x R56Ci / 2x R5Bi) => around $1310
+ Chane A5rx-c Series (2x A5rx / 1x A2rx / 2x A1rx) => around $1385 (note: shipping cost is high)
+ HTD L3 Series (2x Tower / 1x Center / 2x Bkshelf) => around $1328 ($1467 for Limited Edition)
+ SVS Prime Series (2x Tower / 1x Center / 2x Bkshelf) => around $1550 (package deal)
if you could provide with-shipping prices (estimated) that would be very useful, since different ID makers charge differently for shipping, and it can make a substantial difference when buying 5 or more speakers at a time.
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if you could provide with-shipping prices (estimated) that would be very useful, since different ID makers charge differently for shipping, and it can make a substantial difference when buying 5 or more speakers at a time.
Not precisely but ...
+ Energy, free ship from Frys
+ Polk, free ship from Amazon
+ EMPTek, probably $50/order
+ Chane, around $200/order
+ HTD, about $45/order
+ SVS, free ship
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Been thinking about these:

http://emptek.com/r55ti.php#317
http://emptek.com/r5ci.php#51
http://emptek.com/r5bi.php#47

$1340 shipped with a 30/day return window. Wondering how these might compare to the SVS Prime or Aperion Intimus.
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I currently have a Yamaha A840 AVR and a BIC F12 (might upgrade as well) and some old HTIB speakers that desperately need to be replaced. Normally used for 50/50 HT and Music. I would prefer towers for front so that I dont have to put the extra money saved by bookshelves into stands. Limited to <20in width for center channel due to existing furniture.
I am very happy with my BIC-5.0 system with the PL-980 towers. You can get the full 5.0 system for under $1200 plus free shipping here:

http://www.sounddistributors.com/pro...stech+Speakers

With the money you save you can look to upgrade or get a second sub.

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Been thinking about these:

http://emptek.com/r55ti.php#317
http://emptek.com/r5ci.php#51
http://emptek.com/r5bi.php#47

$1340 shipped with a 30/day return window. Wondering how these might compare to the SVS Prime or Aperion Intimus.
I can’t tell you about the R55Ti’s (don’t own them, but suspect they are excellent), but I do own the R5Bi’s and they are impressive for their price. Andrew Robinson preferred the R5Bi’s over the bookshelf speakers from SVS (Ultras, not Prime), the Aperion Intimus 5B, the Paradigm Atom Monitor and the Hsu HB-1 Mk2 (I’ve auditioned these). Andrew really liked all these bookshelf speakers (you can see his reviews on those as well on HomeTheaterReview), but preferred the EMP Teks. Whether you will feel the same, only you can decide.

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Only concerns about the EMPTeks is the 6ohm and the width of the center.
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I haven't heard anyone having a problem driving the R55Ti's. However, if it were me (actually, it is me), I’d just get 5 R5Bi bookshelf speakers for $562.50 shipped and use the money you save to buy a great subwoofer from Hsu, PSA, Reaction Audio, Rythmik or SVS (and decent speaker stands).
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I haven't heard anyone having a problem driving the R55Ti's. However, if it were me (actually, it is me), I’d just get 5 R5Bi bookshelf speakers for $562.50 shipped and use the money you save to buy a great subwoofer from Hsu, PSA, Reaction Audio, Rythmik or SVS (and decent speaker stands).
Agreed.

Plus, you can get decent speaker stands for sub-20lb bookshelf speakers for as little as $40 these days:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-BF24B-In...5SH79X0AJGCTH8

The only plausible reason I can think of to avoid speaker stands is WAF, or not wanting to risk unruly small children or pets knocking them over.
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Agreed.

Plus, you can get decent speaker stands for sub-20lb bookshelf speakers for as little as $40 these days:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-BF24B-In...5SH79X0AJGCTH8

The only plausible reason I can think of to avoid speaker stands is WAF, or not wanting to risk unruly small children or pets knocking them over.
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The towers that he is considering have a three way crossover which should add sound quality benefit over the bookshelves. Of course there is the benefit of the multiple drivers on the towers which move more air and will help fill the room with sound.

That being said, I have to agree that bookshelves plus new subwoofer would be preferable to towers and no new sub. That is if you can get away with bookshelves plus stands. The WAF was the primary reason I stopped considering bookshelves with stands

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What sub should I get? Prefer to spend $500 or less... HSU seems to be the way to go. I can try to sell my BIC F12. Also, is there a decent 7.1/5.1 amp I can get for less than $500?

I have 4 kids and the WAF is present, so looks do matter. Plus, I hate to spend $200+ for stands when I can put that money into better speakers. Not a big fan of using stands with different finish than the speakers.

Thanks for all the great feedback so far!
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First, the speaker stands Zorba mentioned were $38.75 for a pair of 24” high stands. For $42 / pair you can get 31” high stands: http://www.amazon.com/BF31-B1-Speake...7MM80QWKKAW6W9 So you are looking at about 80 bucks, not 200.

Second, you were willing to spend $1500 for 5 speakers. I showed you that you could get excellent speakers for well under $600 for 5 speakers shipped to your door. Take that extra $900 and put it toward a good subwoofer.

Third, in order to even know what size subwoofer you need, we’d need to know your room volume and if that room is open to other rooms.

Anyway, the above is only one example of many options open to you. Take the information as it is presented … a recommendation only. As far as receivers go, there are plenty of nice receivers for well under $500. Take a look at the following website for factory refurbished models: http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ceivers/1.html
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I have a Yamaha A840 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...-a840_black_u/) which works great. Wondering if I need a separate amp in addition to my AVR?

What do you think the best sub is in the $500 range?

Here is a photo of my living room before I moved in. There is a fireplace where the camera was sitting in the photo, so we decided to put our TV where the piano is orienting the living space across the short side. I would say room is approximately 35 x 20 ft and opens up to a huge foyer.
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This would be my rec, about $1250 shipped and very easy to drive:

Chane A3 towers for L/R
Chane A2 center speaker
Chane A1 for surrounds

http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-loudspeakers

There is a dedicated thread for the Chanes here on AVS, they are well regarded.

Normally I'd recommend the Ascend CMT-340SEs but they aren't towers (although Ascend does sell special stands that make them look/function like towers), which I used to own many years ago and was quite happy with.
Do you like the Ascends more than the Chanes? After all of my research so far, I have narrowed it down to either the EMPTek or Chanes.
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Do you like the Ascends more than the Chanes? After all of my research so far, I have narrowed it down to either the EMPTek or Chanes.
I haven't heard the Chanes myself, but from what I've read they seem to be more of an HT speaker than a versatile all-around speaker like the Ascend 340s were for me, and they do seem to require much more break-in time. I suppose if you REALLY wanted to be sure you could order just a pair of the 340s and a pair of the A3s to do a head-to-head comparison, if you're willing to part with the $60-100 return shipping for whichever pair you choose. I'd be extremely curious to hear the A3s myself.
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Yeah, EMPTeks looking better and better. Might just order 3 of the R5Bi for FCR to try out. If I like them, I will either get 2 more for surrounds or get the towers. Unfortunately, their center speaker is too wide for my existing furniture.
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I have a Yamaha A840 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...-a840_black_u/) which works great. Wondering if I need a separate amp in addition to my AVR?

What do you think the best sub is in the $500 range?

Here is a photo of my living room before I moved in. There is a fireplace where the camera was sitting in the photo, so we decided to put our TV where the piano is orienting the living space across the short side. I would say room is approximately 35 x 20 ft and opens up to a huge foyer.
Your Yamaha AVR is fine. One really shouldn’t spend more than 20% of your total budget on electronics — yeah, I know, you already did . You won’t need another amplifier, but even if you decide you want one later on, your AVR has preamp output ports to do just that. Your AVR isn’t the problem. Your room volume is. It’s considered an extreme volume for subwoofers. That means spending a lot more than you are considering. At a minimum, I’d be looking at something like the Hsu VTF-3 Mk5 @ $888 shipped or an equivalent subwoofer from another company. Then, when funds become available, you might want to add a second. Besides Hsu, look at Reaction Audio, PSA, Rythmik and SVS.
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I have a Yamaha A840 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...-a840_black_u/) which works great. Wondering if I need a separate amp in addition to my AVR?
Highly unlikely with your listening distance and the speakers mentioned so far, unless you prefer to listen at VERY LOUD levels. Looking at your room volume, you need to bias your audio budget towards subs, for a satisfactory HT experience. A power amp is the last thing to worry about.

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The Rythmik Audio LV12R ($569 shipped), but even it will struggle in a room that size.

I would go with a system like the following from Ascend Acoustics, except with the HTM-200 SE's for surrounds. That comes to $1100 shipped (not including the pedestal stands). Then consider a single Rythmik FVX15 sub or Hsu Research VTF-15H MK2 sub for a start (both ~$1000 shipped). For sheer output, the VTF-15H MK2 is the pick.



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First thing I thought: Subs, lots of subs!

Second thing: Lots of hard/acoustically reflective surfaces, even the ceiling!

Third thing: Great looking room.


Edit: As usual, I agree with @dsrussell , but I'm a slug on the keyboard.
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I have a Yamaha A840 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...-a840_black_u/) which works great. Wondering if I need a separate amp in addition to my AVR?

What do you think the best sub is in the $500 range?

Here is a photo of my living room before I moved in. There is a fireplace where the camera was sitting in the photo, so we decided to put our TV where the piano is orienting the living space across the short side. I would say room is approximately 35 x 20 ft and opens up to a huge foyer.
That's a big room, and I think you would be best to go with the the R55Ti towers as you will want all of the three 6.5" woofers and two 5" mids to move the volume of air required to fill that room with quality sound. Plus you will get the three-way crossover, which will further enhance sound quality.


You will also want a sub in excess of $500. As suggested above, consider the HSU-VTF-3 Mk5, it's a great sounding sub!

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Yeah, I am leaning toward the EMPTek R55Ti Towers...my wife actually likes the red burl, so WAF on those is high. I would love to save a few bucks and get the bookshelves, but stands are tricky to match the look and not be top heavy, the room is large, and I have small kids.

I have not read even one bad review (and a lot of awesome reviews and happy customers) on the Ascends (CM-240 + CM-240 center + HTM-200 SE surrounds) and the price is right, but man, they are pretty ugly! Once you factor in the stands for those, the price is about the same as the R55Ti towers.

I will try to get a better sub at the same time. What is the difference between the VTF-3 MK5 HP, VTF 15H MK2, and ULS-15 MK2? Prices and specs are nearly the same.
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The Hsu VTF-15H Mk2 is their top dog subwoofer and a very good value. The VTF-3 Mk5 has almost the same specs as the VTF-15, but will lose a couple dB output below 25 Hz to the VTF-15. Both of these subs are very solid values. The ULS-15 Mk2 is Hsu's updated version the the original ULS-15. This is a sealed design and is recommended for room volumes under 3,000 cu. ft., although would still be impressive even up to 4,000 cu. ft. For your room volume, I'd be looking at Hsu's top ported subs if you prefer to go with Hsu.

I would also look at the subs from other companies and compare size, weight, finishes, specifications, shipping charges and warranties, before making a final decision.
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