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Need help picking out speakers

Hi I am currently in the market to replace my HTIB setup with a AVR and speakers. I am been looking for a while and think I am going to pull the trigger in the next few weeks.

1) Your budget.
Around $1500-2000 for speakers

2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern.
5% Music, 15% Video games, 70% TV & Movies

3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon.
Just a samsung HTIB set up. Nothing I'll be keeping in the new set up.

4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice).
Room is 16x26 including a little L shaped area, Vaulted ceilings.

5) Any placement restrictions.
Nope

6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.
Would like floor standing for fronts

7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider).
AVR - Denon 920

8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.)
Nope

I looked at some of the new def tech bp 9000 series yesterday. Liked them but still want to see other options.
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Need help picking out speakers

I know many more will chime in, but check out the threads I started to upgrade my system:

Upgrading From Take Classic 5.1 at New House
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url...3&share_type=t


Choosing a $1000 Sub
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url...3&share_type=t

Lots of good information to get you started while waiting for more inputs.
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You have a $1500 to $2000 budget for speakers, though you don't say what that includes, so I think we start by assuming a full 5.1 speaker system.

What is your additional Budget for the AV Receiver?

You might want to scan this thread where I recommended several systems roughly in your budget range.

Building a 5.1 system, $1000-1500 to spend. WSIG?

If nothing else it will give you some sense of how the budget for the speakers is broken down. In your case with a budget approaching $2000, your Front speakers could go as high as $500 each.

The most obvious system would be the SVS PRIME Tower speakers -

http://www.svsound.com/products/prim...urround-system

$1550 total, but would require an additional sum for a Subwoofer, bringing your total for a 5.1 to about $2050 for either the SB-1000 or the PB-1000 Sub.

These speakers, SVS Prime Towers are $500 Each and as you can see that takes you right to the top and a bit beyond your budget. So that somewhat establishes the top end for Front Speaker that you can be looking at.

If we go with something like the ELAC Debut F6 Towers, you can pull that off for under $2000 -

http://www.musicdirect.com/m-2094-elac.aspx

$760/pr = Elac F6 Floorstanding
$180/ea = Elac Center
$230/pr = Elac Bookshelf
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Subwoofer
---------------------------
$1670 = Total

The ELAC F6 Towers are about $380 each or $760/pr. The new ELAC series, while not perfect, are highly rated and extreme value for the money .

There is on higher model line the ELAC Uni-Fi, the largest is the Uni-Fi UF5 with 2x5" bass drivers as opposed to the 2x6.5" bass driver in the Debut F6. The Uni-Fi UF5 are about $500 each, but the matching Center are also correspondingly higher price. So, that would take you over budget.


$1000/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi F5 Tower
$_350/ea = ELAC Uni-Fi UC5 Center
$_500/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 bookshelf
$_500/ea = Subwoofer of choice
------------------------------
$2350 = Total


While nice speakers, the Monitor Audio Bronze series are worth a look but likely to drive you over budget -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/ssearch....r+Audio+bronze

$830/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze 5 Towers
$300/ea = Monitor Audio Bronze Center
$500/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze FX Surrounds
$500/ea = Subwoofer of your choice
--------------------------------------
$2130 = Total

Of course if you can find the money and you want a better Subwoofer, or two Subs, that's purely up to you and your wallet.

In terms of absolute value, the ELAC or the SVS should be high on your list.

Another possibility not previously mentioned are the older Wharfedale Diamond 10 series -

Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 Tower - $799/pr ($1300 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15494-w...eakers-pr.aspx

Wharedale Diamond 10.CM -6.5", 3-way center - $225 ($450 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15503-w...peaker-ea.aspx

Big discounts.

$800/pr = Diamond 10.7 Tower
$225/ea = Diamond 10.CM Center
$300/pr = Diamond 10.1 Bookshelf
$500/ea = Subwoofer
-------------------------------------
$1825 = Total



From an Internet Direct company -

http://emptek.com/towers.php

http://emptek.com/centers.php

http://emptek.com/surrounds.php

EMP-Tek -

$700/pr = EMP-Tek R55Ti Toweres
$195/ea = EMP-Tek R5Ci Center
$350/pr = EMP-Tek R55Wi Surround
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Sub
------------------------------
$1745 = Total


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You have a $1500 to $2000 budget for speakers, though you don't say what that includes, so I think we start by assuming a full 5.1 speaker system.

What is your additional Budget for the AV Receiver?

You might want to scan this thread where I recommended several systems roughly in your budget range.


If nothing else it will give you some sense of how the budget for the speakers is broken down. In your case with a budget approaching $2000, your Front speakers could go as high as $500 each.

The most obvious system would be the SVS PRIME Tower speakers -


$1550 total, but would require an additional sum for a Subwoofer, bringing your total for a 5.1 to about $2050 for either the SB-1000 or the PB-1000 Sub.

These speakers, SVS Prime Towers are $500 Each and as you can see that takes you right to the top and a bit beyond your budget. So that somewhat establishes the top end for Front Speaker that you can be looking at.

If we go with something like the ELAC Debut F6 Towers, you can pull that off for under $2000 -


$760/pr = Elac F6 Floorstanding
$180/ea = Elac Center
$230/pr = Elac Bookshelf
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Subwoofer
---------------------------
$1670 = Total

The ELAC F6 Towers are about $380 each or $760/pr. The new ELAC series, while not perfect, are highly rated and extreme value for the money .

There is on higher model line the ELAC Uni-Fi, the largest is the Uni-Fi UF5 with 2x5" bass drivers as opposed to the 2x6.5" bass driver in the Debut F6. The Uni-Fi UF5 are about $500 each, but the matching Center are also correspondingly higher price. So, that would take you over budget.


$1000/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi F5 Tower
$_350/ea = ELAC Uni-Fi UC5 Center
$_500/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 bookshelf
$_500/ea = Subwoofer of choice
------------------------------
$2350 = Total


While nice speakers, the Monitor Audio Bronze series are worth a look but likely to drive you over budget -


$830/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze 5 Towers
$300/ea = Monitor Audio Bronze Center
$500/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze FX Surrounds
$500/ea = Subwoofer of your choice
--------------------------------------
$2130 = Total

Of course if you can find the money and you want a better Subwoofer, or two Subs, that's purely up to you and your wallet.

In terms of absolute value, the ELAC or the SVS should be high on your list.

Another possibility not previously mentioned are the older Wharfedale Diamond 10 series -

Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 Tower - $799/pr ($1300 retail) -



Wharedale Diamond 10.CM -6.5", 3-way center - $225 ($450 retail) -



Big discounts.

From an Internet Direct company -



EMP-Tek -

$700/pr = EMP-Tek R55Ti Toweres
$195/ea = EMP-Tek R5Ci Center
$350/pr = EMP-Tek R55Wi Surround
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Sub
------------------------------
$1745 = Total


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Yeah I'm sorry I thought I put that in my original post. I want a 5.1 to start at least. I'm looking around the $500 for a receiver which the Denon 920 I was looking at is in that range. I appreciate your large list of speaker recommendations. I will look some of those over better.
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.... I'm looking around the $500 for a receiver which the Denon 920 I was looking at is in that range. I appreciate your large list of speaker recommendations. I will look some of those over better.
Denon AVR-X2200 AV Receiver - $499 ($799 Retail) -

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX2...nd.html?tp=179

The current model is the X2300, but you can't beat the value of the X2200 at this price.

For a bit more cash -

Denon AVR-X3200 AV Receiver - $599 ($1000 Retail) -

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX3...nd.html?tp=179

Again, that X3200 is one model behind the current, but you are saving $400 on a still very up to date amp.

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Wow I don't know why but I didn't even think about checking a year old model. I think for the money I can go with that x3200. Thanks for the recommendation!
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You have a $1500 to $2000 budget for speakers, though you don't say what that includes, so I think we start by assuming a full 5.1 speaker system.

What is your additional Budget for the AV Receiver?

You might want to scan this thread where I recommended several systems roughly in your budget range.

Building a 5.1 system, $1000-1500 to spend. WSIG?

If nothing else it will give you some sense of how the budget for the speakers is broken down. In your case with a budget approaching $2000, your Front speakers could go as high as $500 each.

The most obvious system would be the SVS PRIME Tower speakers -

http://www.svsound.com/products/prim...urround-system

$1550 total, but would require an additional sum for a Subwoofer, bringing your total for a 5.1 to about $2050 for either the SB-1000 or the PB-1000 Sub.

These speakers, SVS Prime Towers are $500 Each and as you can see that takes you right to the top and a bit beyond your budget. So that somewhat establishes the top end for Front Speaker that you can be looking at.

If we go with something like the ELAC Debut F6 Towers, you can pull that off for under $2000 -

http://www.musicdirect.com/m-2094-elac.aspx

$760/pr = Elac F6 Floorstanding
$180/ea = Elac Center
$230/pr = Elac Bookshelf
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Subwoofer
---------------------------
$1670 = Total

The ELAC F6 Towers are about $380 each or $760/pr. The new ELAC series, while not perfect, are highly rated and extreme value for the money .

There is on higher model line the ELAC Uni-Fi, the largest is the Uni-Fi UF5 with 2x5" bass drivers as opposed to the 2x6.5" bass driver in the Debut F6. The Uni-Fi UF5 are about $500 each, but the matching Center are also correspondingly higher price. So, that would take you over budget.


$1000/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi F5 Tower
$_350/ea = ELAC Uni-Fi UC5 Center
$_500/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 bookshelf
$_500/ea = Subwoofer of choice
------------------------------
$2350 = Total

While nice speakers, the Monitor Audio Bronze series are worth a look but likely to drive you over budget -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/ssearch....r+Audio+bronze

$830/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze 5 Towers
$300/ea = Monitor Audio Bronze Center
$500/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze FX Surrounds
$500/ea = Subwoofer of your choice
--------------------------------------
$2130 = Total

Of course if you can find the money and you want a better Subwoofer, or two Subs, that's purely up to you and your wallet.

In terms of absolute value, the ELAC or the SVS should be high on your list.

Another possibility not previously mentioned are the older Wharfedale Diamond 10 series -

Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 Tower - $799/pr ($1300 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15494-w...eakers-pr.aspx

Wharedale Diamond 10.CM -6.5", 3-way center - $225 ($450 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15503-w...peaker-ea.aspx

Big discounts.

$800/pr = Diamond 10.7 Tower
$225/ea = Diamond 10.CM Center
$300/pr = Diamond 10.1 Bookshelf
$500/ea = Subwoofer
-------------------------------------
$1825 = Total


From an Internet Direct company -

http://emptek.com/towers.php

http://emptek.com/centers.php

http://emptek.com/surrounds.php

EMP-Tek -

$700/pr = EMP-Tek R55Ti Toweres
$195/ea = EMP-Tek R5Ci Center
$350/pr = EMP-Tek R55Wi Surround
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Sub
------------------------------
$1745 = Total

Steve/bluewizard

Nice post with lots of good option for the OP


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Yeah, he definitely gave a good list. Just curious what people think of the definitive tech speakers. I saw some BP 9000 series yesterday at a best buy Mongolia. Seemed to be really nice.
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Denon AVR-X2200 AV Receiver - $499 ($799 Retail) -

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX2...nd.html?tp=179

The current model is the X2300, but you can't beat the value of the X2200 at this price.

For a bit more cash -

Denon AVR-X3200 AV Receiver - $599 ($1000 Retail) -

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX3...nd.html?tp=179

Again, that X3200 is one model behind the current, but you are saving $400 on a still very up to date amp.

Steve/bluewizard
I agree with bluewizard, he made some great suggestions on speakers and looking at last years model receiver. You will definitely get more bang for your buck if you don't need the absolute latest and greatest.
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Yeah, he definitely gave a good list. .
No doubt. Bluewizard cranks out huge concise quality posts. Fast and frequent. Fairly unbiased with links to everything discussed. He may truly be a wizard.
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I'd add that spending the extra $250-300 over the $500 for a small sealed SVS 12 to get a more powerful 15" ported subwoofer in the HSU offering would be a big bang-for-buck upgrade, IMO.
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You have a $1500 to $2000 budget for speakers, though you don't say what that includes, so I think we start by assuming a full 5.1 speaker system.

What is your additional Budget for the AV Receiver?

You might want to scan this thread where I recommended several systems roughly in your budget range.

Building a 5.1 system, $1000-1500 to spend. WSIG?

If nothing else it will give you some sense of how the budget for the speakers is broken down. In your case with a budget approaching $2000, your Front speakers could go as high as $500 each.

The most obvious system would be the SVS PRIME Tower speakers -

http://www.svsound.com/products/prim...urround-system

$1550 total, but would require an additional sum for a Subwoofer, bringing your total for a 5.1 to about $2050 for either the SB-1000 or the PB-1000 Sub.

These speakers, SVS Prime Towers are $500 Each and as you can see that takes you right to the top and a bit beyond your budget. So that somewhat establishes the top end for Front Speaker that you can be looking at.

If we go with something like the ELAC Debut F6 Towers, you can pull that off for under $2000 -

http://www.musicdirect.com/m-2094-elac.aspx

$760/pr = Elac F6 Floorstanding
$180/ea = Elac Center
$230/pr = Elac Bookshelf
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Subwoofer
---------------------------
$1670 = Total

The ELAC F6 Towers are about $380 each or $760/pr. The new ELAC series, while not perfect, are highly rated and extreme value for the money .

There is on higher model line the ELAC Uni-Fi, the largest is the Uni-Fi UF5 with 2x5" bass drivers as opposed to the 2x6.5" bass driver in the Debut F6. The Uni-Fi UF5 are about $500 each, but the matching Center are also correspondingly higher price. So, that would take you over budget.


$1000/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi F5 Tower
$_350/ea = ELAC Uni-Fi UC5 Center
$_500/pr = ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 bookshelf
$_500/ea = Subwoofer of choice
------------------------------
$2350 = Total


While nice speakers, the Monitor Audio Bronze series are worth a look but likely to drive you over budget -

http://www.audioadvisor.com/ssearch....r+Audio+bronze

$830/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze 5 Towers
$300/ea = Monitor Audio Bronze Center
$500/pr = Monitor Audio Bronze FX Surrounds
$500/ea = Subwoofer of your choice
--------------------------------------
$2130 = Total

Of course if you can find the money and you want a better Subwoofer, or two Subs, that's purely up to you and your wallet.

In terms of absolute value, the ELAC or the SVS should be high on your list.

Another possibility not previously mentioned are the older Wharfedale Diamond 10 series -

Wharfedale Diamond 10.7 Tower - $799/pr ($1300 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15494-w...eakers-pr.aspx

Wharedale Diamond 10.CM -6.5", 3-way center - $225 ($450 retail) -

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-15503-w...peaker-ea.aspx

Big discounts.

$800/pr = Diamond 10.7 Tower
$225/ea = Diamond 10.CM Center
$300/pr = Diamond 10.1 Bookshelf
$500/ea = Subwoofer
-------------------------------------
$1825 = Total



From an Internet Direct company -

http://emptek.com/towers.php

http://emptek.com/centers.php

http://emptek.com/surrounds.php

EMP-Tek -

$700/pr = EMP-Tek R55Ti Toweres
$195/ea = EMP-Tek R5Ci Center
$350/pr = EMP-Tek R55Wi Surround
$500/ea = SVS SB-1000 Sub
------------------------------
$1745 = Total


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Steve, you should take the SB-1000 out of whatever file you have that you are copying your posts from. It's really a poor choice for most people for an HT setup because as a small compact sealed sub, it's not very high output and rolls off a good bit by 20hz. Best for small rooms (e.g. bedroom setup) or a computer desktop. 'Bout the only time it makes sense for an HT setup is if the wife absolutely insists on the subwoofer being that small. (lol)

And I how do I know this? Well, not just from the reviews that indicate this, but because I own one. The better recommendation for HT usage from SVS for the same price is the PB-1000, which is the preferred recommendation on the AVS subwoofer forum. Just go ask.
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Steve, you should take the SB-1000 out ...It's really a poor choice ... because as a small compact sealed sub,...

And I how do I know this? ... because I own one. ... .
Good to hear your Opinion. Feel free to make a case for alternatives.

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Good to hear your Opinion. Feel free to make a case for alternatives.
I just did make a case. If you believe that's such a good choice, why not support your opinion? Or are you just pulling products off websites without having experience with them or knowledge about whether or not they are good choices?

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I just did make a case. If you believe that's such a good choice, why not support your opinion? Or are you just pulling products off websites without having experience with them or knowledge about whether or not they are good choices?
Again, good to hear your Opinion. I describe that sub accurately, and multiple times in multiple posts. I'm not telling him specifically what to buy, only illustrating what can potentially be bought within his budget, and with assumptions I have to make about his situation based on the limited information I have.

What he buys is up to him, his budget, and his circumstances. Not everybody want the same thing from a speaker, that's why they make so many, and that is also why I provide LINKS to the products I recommend. The Original Poster is free to view the SVS Website and find and buy any Sub he wants that fit his needs. Equally he is free to follow the links to Emp-Tek or HSU or any of the other links I posted and look around at all the possible Subs and Speakers that are available.

You think the PB-1000 is the better Sub, and perhaps for you it is, but for other people with other needs, it is equally possible that the SB-1000 is the right Sub. That's why they make it. But that is a decision for the Original Poster to make, no one knows his situation better than himself.

And also notice I started putting - Sub of your choice or just Subwoofer - in the equipment lists I provided. Because the choice is really up to the OP.

And those equipment list come from my own posts, but easier to cut, paste, and modify than to write them out all over again.

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Again, good to hear your Opinion. I describe that sub accurately, and multiple times in multiple posts. I'm not telling him specifically what to buy, only illustrating what can potentially be bought within his budget, and with assumptions I have to make about his situation based on the limited information I have.

What he buys is up to him, his budget, and his circumstances. Not everybody want the same thing from a speaker, that's why they make so many, and that is also why I provide LINKS to the products I recommend. The Original Poster is free to view the SVS Website and find and buy any Sub he wants that fit his needs. Equally he is free to follow the links to Emp-Tek or HSU or any of the other links I posted and look around at all the possible Subs and Speakers that are available.

You think the PB-1000 is the better Sub, and perhaps for you it is, but for other people with other needs, it is equally possible that the SB-1000 is the right Sub. That's why they make it. But that is a decision for the Original Poster to make, no one knows his situation better than himself.

Well, you need to reread his information. He did NOT indicate that subwoofer size is a problem, but he did indicate the size of his room. I have explained what is common knowledge about this sub. If you doubt it, go research it. Ask questions here: Official SVS Owners/Support Thread. For that matter, you can call SVS. I'm quite sure they will tell you that the PB-1000 is the better sub choice for an HT setup in a room that size. The SB-1000 is meant for people that have small sub needs and/or small spaces. So stating the price alone is not, as you have said "I describe that sub accurately." It's not describing anything at all. It's just stating the price.

Meanwhile, if your recommendation is not informed by the situation of the OP nor knowledge of the product, then what value does it have at all? Why don't just tell him to go to BestBuy and get a Def Tech sub?

So I don't understand balking at trying to make better recommendations in the case of a subwoofer. Obviously you care about making decent speaker recommendations, or you'd just point him to Bose speakers at BestBuy.

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I'd add that spending the extra $250-300 over the $500 for a small sealed SVS 12 to get a more powerful 15" ported subwoofer in the HSU offering would be a big bang-for-buck upgrade, IMO.
Appreciate your input on the speaker choice, but for fronts I am definitely set on floor standing.
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