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2.1 system with subwoofer

Hi it's been awhile since I've been here. I'm building a budget 2.1 system, I got the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers and was wondering if I need a subwoofer with it? I also am wondering about the placement of the subwoofer, does it need to be in the middle or can it be placed out to the side? Will you be able to hear the bass if it's out to the side. I have a Yamaha R-S500 reciever with 80 watts of power.
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Hi it's been awhile since I've been here. I'm building a budget 2.1 system, I got the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers and was wondering if I need a subwoofer with it? I also am wondering about the placement of the subwoofer, does it need to be in the middle or can it be placed out to the side? Will you be able to hear the bass if it's out to the side. I have a Yamaha R-S500 reciever with 80 watts of power.
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Yes, the vast majority of speakers will benefit from the addition of a capable sub. The Pioneers are no exception.

Placement? In the middle, out to the side, halfway down the side wall, in the back corner... all are fine. The best spot for the sub is where it gives you the best combination of SPL and frequency response. Have a go at this and the sub will tell you what's the best of your available spots:


Additional reading: http://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/753...ofer-placement.
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In my experience you don't need a subwoofer with the Pioneers, but it certainly helps. All depends on what your budget is.

A subwoofer will always help though because your main speakers are not capable of getting down low enough to give you the full range of sound. They only go down to 40Hz so you're missing any content below that and I doubt the Pioneers have much output at 60Hz and below anyways. You'd have to look at a frequency response chart, but I'd recommend getting a decent sub and crossing your system over at 80Hz.

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Hi it's been awhile since I've been here. I'm building a budget 2.1 system, I got the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers and was wondering if I need a subwoofer with it? I also am wondering about the placement of the subwoofer, does it need to be in the middle or can it be placed out to the side? Will you be able to hear the bass if it's out to the side. I have a Yamaha R-S500 reciever with 80 watts of power.
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If you really want to be budget conscious, consider this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...OCAaAm398P8HAQ

They are really good.

If you want to be somewhat budget conscious consider this;

https://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-D...gan+dynamo+300

it is outstanding.

Good luck with your quest.

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Hi it's been awhile since I've been here. I'm building a budget 2.1 system, I got the Pioneer SP-FS52 speakers and was wondering if I need a subwoofer with it? I also am wondering about the placement of the subwoofer, does it need to be in the middle or can it be placed out to the side? Will you be able to hear the bass if it's out to the side. I have a Yamaha R-S500 reciever with 80 watts of power.
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A sub is definitely going to improve your listening experience. We would need you to provide us with a budget and room dimensions so that appropriate recomondations can be made.

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While your receiver has a sub pre-out it doesn't have bass management. You might look for a sub that has an actual crossover (i.e. not only a low pass filter but also a high pass filter for your speakers so as not to duplicate frequencies being reproduced).
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While your receiver has a sub pre-out it doesn't have bass management. You might look for a sub that has an actual crossover (i.e. not only a low pass filter but also a high pass filter for your speakers so as not to duplicate frequencies being reproduced).
Ok you lost me on this. How do you tell about these filters? I'm sorry I very new to the new systems, do you have any in mind

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A sub is definitely going to improve your listening experience. We would need you to provide us with a budget and room dimensions so that appropriate recomondations can be made.
The room is about18x18 and I would not like to go over $200.

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Ok you lost me on this. How do you tell about these filters? I'm sorry I very new to the new systems, do you have any in mind

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Modern avrs have what are called crossovers, to set a frequency transition between sub and speaker (a combination of a low pass filter for the sub and a high pass filter for the speaker). Try this article http://audiophilereview.com/subwoofe...ubwoofers.html

Some subs can provide the high pass filter either by line level input and output (and your receiver can work with such) or with speaker level input and output (putting the sub in line with your speakers). Have to read the manual/specs to know what the sub has....
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I found a subwoofer that pairs with my Pioneer speakers and it has a crossover dial it's the Pioneer SW-8MK2




I also found this one that also has a crossover dial Polk PSW110



These are ones that I can afford trying to stay under $200
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SW8MK2 may suffice in a small room for music, not much can be expected from an 8" sub generally. The dial is a low pass filter only it appears. It may have a fixed crossover on the high level inputs/outputs....but without a manual hard to know.

PSW110 also only has a low pass filter, no mention in its manual of any sort of high pass filter.

You may not mind the duplication of frequencies on the other hand....and at your budget your choices are very limited....
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I found a subwoofer that pairs with my Pioneer speakers and it has a crossover dial it's the Pioneer SW-8MK2




I also found this one that also has a crossover dial Polk PSW110



These are ones that I can afford trying to stay under $200
IMO this sub would be much better than either of the two you mentioned and the price is right.

It does have a low/high cut switch and from the manual in the high position it looks to be at around 80hz. Plus with Amazon it's pretty hassle free if you don't like it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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IMO this sub would be much better than either of the two you mentioned and the price is right.

It does have a low/high cut switch and from the manual in the high position it looks to be at around 80hz. Plus with Amazon it's pretty hassle free if you don't like it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Thanks I was also looking at the yamaha
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I'm giving up on the Pioneer and the Polk. My new one is KLIPSCH 10" Front-Firing 250w Peak Power Subwoofer (K100-SW). It has
Low pass crossover and phase control. The question I have is it runs fron 100w to 250, is my YamahaR-S500 with 80w going to be able to power it?

https://www.amazon.com/KLIPSCH-Front...ct_top?ie=UTF8

Also the Yamaha YST-SW216BL Subwoofer has a 45w to 100w.
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The question I have is it runs fron 100w to 250, is my YamahaR-S500 with 80w going to be able to power it?
As with most subs, the Klipsch has an integral amplifier. Your Yamaha only needs to provide line-level signal to the sub, not power it.

Don't place too much emphasis the subs claimed power figures. Subs are a integrated system of amp, driver and cabinet. What you need to look for are the system results (not the inputs), including low frequency extension (-3dB) and SPL, if available.
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I found a subwoofer that pairs with my Pioneer speakers and it has a crossover dial it's the Pioneer SW-8MK2




I also found this one that also has a crossover dial Polk PSW110



These are ones that I can afford trying to stay under $200

You can do much better than those two subs for $200. Where are you located?

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Once you've experienced a good sub, you'll regret all the money you wasted on cheap subs. I recommend waiting and getting something like an entry level svs. It blows away my Velodyne 12" and EMP 1010 (dual 10" drivers).
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You can do much better than those two subs for $200. Where are you located?
Southern California 60 east of LA
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Once you've experienced a good sub, you'll regret all the money you wasted on cheap subs. I recommend waiting and getting something like an entry level svs. It blows away my Velodyne 12" and EMP 1010 (dual 10" drivers).
The Pioneer is really not a bad sub for the money and he can always use it with a computer system later on. A decent sub is better than no sub. I've owned the Pioneer towers and the Pioneer sub before and they really do a nice job for what they are. If you expect audiophile grade sound out of them you'll be disappointed, but for their price point they sound excellent. I've found they can be re-sold pretty easily as well when you've saved up more and are ready to upgrade because the Pioneer name is more recognizable than most other brands of equipment among the general population.

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since you live in SoCal you do have Fry's fairly close by. They have the Klipsch 10" K-10SW for $174 thru Saturday and 12" K-12SW for $217 thru Thursday. both are better than the Klipsch KSW-10 you linked and also the Pioneer and Polk subs you mentioned.

I would get one of those if your budget is around $200.
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since you live in SoCal you do have Fry's fairly close by. They have the Klipsch 10" K-10SW for $174 thru Saturday and 12" K-12SW for $217 thru Thursday. both are better than the Klipsch KSW-10 you linked and also the Pioneer and Polk subs you mentioned.

I would get one of those if your budget is around $200.
I have one an hour away I'll go look thanks.
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check to make sure they're in stock before you make that drive. They can reserve it for you.

www.frys.com

City of Industry and Anaheim have the R-10SW. the 12" sale is over now. It'll come back though.

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A sub for less than $200 most often leads to dissapointmement. There are better budget subs on the market, here is one to consider and currently on sale. It's a little over your budget but will actually save you money since you won't need to upgrade in 3-4 months.
https://www.amazon.com/Bic-Acoustech...rds=bic+pl-200

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There's always the used market...and the art of a little negotiating!

Outlaw Audio LMF-1 - $240 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...785374933.html
AV123 MFW15 - $200 http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele/5782451604.html
Adire Audio Rava - $250 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...797164432.html
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There's always the used market...and the art of a little negotiating!

Outlaw Audio LMF-1 - $240 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...785374933.html
AV123 MFW15 - $200 http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele/5782451604.html
Adire Audio Rava - $250 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...797164432.html
That LFM-1 would be a great sub, and $240 is a decent price. I used to have one. It will go very low and hit very hard when it needs to.

I'd avoid the MFW15. They had trouble with the amps. Might end up having to replace it. Don't know anything about the Rava.

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If you read the online pdf manual for the SVS pb-1000, I believe it says there is a fixed low pass and high pass filter at 80hz.

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Well thanks to all that answered my post.

I got a Klipsch R-10sw like Afrogt suggested and I very happy with it.
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