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I use 7 LS50 in Home Theater setting in a 12 x 13 x9 feet room!

I cross them over at 80HZ and sit about 7 feet away from the front and two feet away from surround and back and the sound is amazing

So for those who say the LS50 doesn't work for HT makes me laugh

Now going back to my question could the new wireless ones be used as surround? I love the fact that they have great amplification integrated in them less boxes.

In fact I could see a system where one could use seven of them with a nice prepro like the Marantz 8802. Too bad they dont' have XLR
I'm not sure if the 8802 is truly balanced so maybe just use AES/EBU to RCA cables to each speaker. What sub(s) are you using with the LS50's? How does the sound compare to your main system?
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I don't believe anyone is contending that the LS50 won't work in HT. My suggestion is that it's hard to place them in some applications, especially if you don't have room behind them. Being a rear-ported speaker which really does benefit to a great degree from placement in relation to walls and corners, there may be better choices.

If a couple yours are placed close to walls (and probably are given the smaller room), you're likely not getting the full value of what they are capable of doing. I'm sure they sound great, just betting there's more in them than you're getting from some of them.
Probably, but from 2 feet away they sound amazing!
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Depends on what you're after. $700 is about half of what I paid to amplify my LS50's, plus $200 for a DAC module.
What amp do you use?
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It comes out just in time. I'm looking for 4 ceiling speakers for my Atmos/ DTS:X system...
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Nice. I really enjoyed the LS50s in my desktop setup.

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I'm not sure if the 8802 is truly balanced so maybe just use AES/EBU to RCA cables to each speaker. What sub(s) are you using with the LS50's? How does the sound compare to your main system?
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Now I wonder how they will compare to these

http://www.dynaudio.com/professional-audio/lyd/lyd-8/

A pair would $1578 instead of $2500

Now it is true that the KEF LS50 active has
- 230-watt x2 amplification in a bi-amp dual mono configuration: LF: 200W HF: 30W
- 2.4GHz/5GHz Dual-band Wi-Fi,
- Bluetooth 4.0 with the aptX codec
- Up to 192kHz USB Type B
- Up to 96kHz TOSLINK Optical
- RCA Analog
- Subwoofer output

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Isn't the list price of the new LS50 active $2200, not $2500? That's the price my dealer gave me, and I hadn't even asked.

It doesn't appear that Lyd-8 has a built-in DAC. The Dynaudio Xeo-2 might be a closer comparison, though I don't understand that speaker having equal power amps for LF and HF.

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It doesn't appear that Lyd-8 has a built-in DAC. The Dynaudio Xeo-2 might be a closer comparison, though I don't understand that speaker having equal power amps for LF and HF.
I had just assumed the LYD-8 required ADC in order to apply all the trim settings.

I have a KEF X300A and adjusting the volume is mainly the setting on the computer. I'd like a physical knob. Would you use the LYD-8 with a dac/preamp? Or would I be stuck with software volume only? It doesn't look like the LYD-8 has any volume control.

At least the wireless KEF LS50 has a remote w/ volume buttons. The streaming options are pretty light on details though --I'm concerned they dropped Airplay.
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AirPlay streams iTunes, doesn't it? Perhaps they considered the high licensing fees of Apple and decided to forgo it as it's not the high quality audio those speakers thrive on.

I'd be streaming Tidal Hi-Fi and my own library of FLAC files through a Bluesound Node 2 if (when) I get a pair.

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The LYD is a lower cost professional active studio monitor with analog input only and I believe the volume is controlled either be the mixing board or laptop you're using.

The Xeo2 $1500 or Xeo 4 $2400 (including the hub) would be direct competition. FWIW the Xeo 2 won Best Active Speaker of the year for What Hi-Fi.... If that matters any.

Will be interesting to hear them compare the LS50 to the Xeo2 when the time arrives.

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AirPlay streams iTunes, doesn't it? Perhaps they considered the high licensing fees of Apple and decided to forgo it as it's not the high quality audio those speakers thrive on.

I'd be streaming Tidal Hi-Fi and my own library of FLAC files through a Bluesound Node 2 if (when) I get a pair.
There is more than enough quality in ALAC ripped from CDs.
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I know nothing about AirPlay and it's data rates other than to notice it seems to be waning in popularity as aptX Bluetooth becomes more universally accepted. And of course Wi-Fi is ubiquitous at this point in time. I'm OK with that because I don't own any Apple products and plan to own none. I do not dispute the quality of ALAC files ripped from a CD, and most DAC devices will process those files. So educate me, is AirPlay more than just a form of wireless data streaming and also has a user interface?

The newer AV receivers and pre-processors from a lot of manufacturers also seem to be abandoning AirPlay. Why is this?

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I know nothing about AirPlay and it's data rates other than to notice it seems to be waning in popularity as aptX Bluetooth becomes more universally accepted. And of course Wi-Fi is ubiquitous at this point in time. I'm OK with that because I don't own any Apple products and plan to own none. I do not dispute the quality of ALAC files ripped from a CD, and most DAC devices will process those files. So educate me, is AirPlay more than just a form of wireless data streaming and also has a user interface?

The newer AV receivers and pre-processors from a lot of manufacturers also seem to be abandoning AirPlay. Why is this?
I remember a receiver review a few years back at the Secrets of Home Theater website that noted that the Airplay functionality in the receiver had pretty high THD vs. the other inputs. I don't know if it is endemic in the standard or was a function of implementation.

I am cross shopping the KEFs against Dynaudio. I bought my Dad some Xeo 3s a couple years back and was really impressed with the sound quality, though the hub was a bit of a PITA.

If the KEFs review well, they are going on my Christmas list.

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I was in the market for a pair of passive LS50's, now here these active versions come to confuse things.

I have experience with active studio monitors in my Bedroom System (Tannoy Reveal 501a driven by a Cambridge DacMagic Plus), Computer System (M-Audio BX8 D2 driven by an LH Labs Geek Out Dac) and in my office system at work (Fostex PM0.4n driven by an LH Labs Geek Out) IMO they provide tremendous value at their price points, but the built in wireless streaming, internal DAC and DSP in these active LS50's really confuses things for me (especially because I already use Chromecast Audio throughout the house for wireless streaming).

The system where I'm in the market for LS50's is currently my main system. I have an LH Labs Vi DAC Tube DSD DAC on the way (if they ever ship) and I have an extensive collection of DSD music along with other high resolution music (both physical SACD's and DVD-Audio discs along with high resolution files). If I run the system through the analog inputs with an external DAC with the A/D then D/A conversion am I losing more that I'm gaining with the time alignment and DSP active crossover or am I still coming out ahead? It appears to me that these speakers are really designed to be used with the DAC that's built-in as an all-in-one type of system.

Would it make sense to still go with the Active LS50's in my system, or do the passive versions make more sense? Which would perform better? I was going to buy 3 passive LS-50s for the L/C/R in a hybrid 2-channel/home theater system.

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The pre order is up on the KEF website for $2199.99!

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I just love my passive LS50s. This active version is really interesting though. I would have loved to exchange my passive LS50 fronts and my Hegel amp and connect these to the pre out on my receiver, but I guess I'm out of luck with the aux connection?
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By "aux connection" I assume you mean a 3.5mm stereo socket. What device is it that you currently use in an Auxiliary connection that you couldn't supplant with the aptX Bluetooth or other digital or analog input those speakers offer?

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By "aux connection" I assume you mean a 3.5mm stereo socket. What device is it that you currently use in an Auxiliary connection that you couldn't supplant with the aptX Bluetooth or other digital or analog input those speakers offer?
I meant that it would be nice to use these speakers in a HT setup with a receiver and exchange the passive front speakers and my integrated amp that drives the front speakers. But I guess that's not possible.
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Why wouldn't you be able to use the pre-outs from your receiver to the analog input of the LS50 wireless speakers? I'm sure there's a way. You might have to get a specific cable, but that's fairly cheap.

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I just love my passive LS50s. This active version is really interesting though. I would have loved to exchange my passive LS50 fronts and my Hegel amp and connect these to the pre out on my receiver, but I guess I'm out of luck with the aux connection?
The have L&R RCA Analogue inputs. So yes theoretically then can be used in a Home Theater setting.

https://www.kefdirect.com/media/wysi...et_EN_path.pdf

That would be a great way to have no amplifier

https://www.kefdirect.com/media/wysi...9_20160905.pdf
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The have L&R RCA Analogue inputs. So yes theoretically then can be used in a Home Theater setting.

https://www.kefdirect.com/media/wysi...et_EN_path.pdf

That would be a great way to have no amplifier

https://www.kefdirect.com/media/wysi...9_20160905.pdf
Thanks, it sounds like I could use them as fronts in a HT setup then? I would like to use the amp section from the Kefs instead of the avr amp, as I'm doing today with the Hegel, to get superior sound when compared to avr only. And of course use the Kefs only when listening to music either from PC or streaming. If this is possible then I will invest for sure.
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Thanks, it sounds like I could use them as fronts in a HT setup then? I would like to use the amp section from the Kefs instead of the avr amp, as I'm doing today with the Hegel, to get superior sound when compared to avr only. And of course use the Kefs only when listening to music either from PC or streaming. If this is possible then I will invest for sure.
My understanding is that it is possible use the RCA connection to your AVR

Here is what I heard: "In regards to using the LS50 Wireless for home theater, if your AVR had outputs for RCA they could be used. The master LS50 W in the pair has RCA inputs for L and R so if you had RCA outs on your AVR for each channel this could potentially be done."

In addition "One speaker is the master unit with all the inputs. The master unit connects to the secondary unit with a Cat6 Cable.
Each individual speaker has 230 watts of power:
- 30watts class a/b amplifier for its tweeter, and
- 200watt class D amplifier for its mid-bass drivers."
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AirPlay streams iTunes, doesn't it? Perhaps they considered the high licensing fees of Apple and decided to forgo it as it's not the high quality audio those speakers thrive on.
I'd be streaming Tidal Hi-Fi and my own library of FLAC files through a Bluesound Node 2 if (when) I get a pair.
The licensing fees for Airplay are not high and AptX also has a licensing fee. Lots of low end speakers and other devices have airplay built in. The least they could do is AAC over bluetooth which would be compatible with idevices and would be a smart move. Bluesound should also have Airplay built in for that matter.
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My Kef LS50 wireless arrive Friday :-)
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My Kef LS50 wireless arrive Friday :-)
Nice! It seems earlier than promised, so keep us posted. I suggested to them they should have added MQA decoding to the DAC, perhaps there can be a firmware upgrade in the future.

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Nice! It seems earlier than promised, so keep us posted. I suggested to them they should have added MQA decoding to the DAC, perhaps there can be a firmware upgrade in the future.
Sure will. I am also interested in MQA now that it is in Tidal and not sure how I will do it.
I'm getting them from a dealer but the KEF web site shows them in stock right now too.

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It seems like Wisa as a wireless audio standard is totally dead. Every single manufacturer seems to be doing it via Bluetooth and/or Wifi or their own concoction. Sad.

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It seems like Wisa as a wireless audio standard is totally dead. Every single manufacturer seems to be doing it via Bluetooth and/or Wifi or their own concoction. Sad.

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I have no clue what that "Wisa" is but will argue that Bluetooth and Wi-Fi are both very common, widely accepted and commonly used. I don't see many audio products deviating from those lately. What's the issue?

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Sure will. I am also interested in MQA now that it is in Tidal and not sure how I will do it.
I'm getting them from a dealer but the KEF web site shows them in stock right now too.
Cool that you're getting them from a dealer. I appreciate supporting the brick & mortar places so they're still there when we want to audition different products.

I had also gone to KEF Direct and notice the page for LS50 Wireless had changed from "Pre-Order" to "In Stock." What a sharp contrast to so many others. In my case, it's NAD who announces something they should have had 6 months ago, takes another 9 months or more to ship it, then has to send out firmware updates so it'll work.

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