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JBL 4312SE Studio Monitor Revealed at CES 2017

AT CES 2017, JBL released a new speaker, the 4312 SE, to celebrate its 70th anniversary. Click on the following link to read more: http://www.avsforum.com/jbl-4312se-s...d-at-ces-2017/

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Seeing those 3 way JBLs is like finding NOS (new old stock) retro items in an old warehouse. Very cool, I miss those days.
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I bought 4 of these in the '70's and they were a part of my sound system all the way until 2002 when a new house meant I didn't have a place for large heavy speakers. The L100 home version of the speaker was called a "bookshelf" speaker. The 4310/4311 were in every mastering studio and many club settings. These speakers were powerful, had high power handling, tight bass, powerful mid range that would not distort at any clean power level, and yet polite for the soft passages as well, any music genre. I had a love affair with the 4311.
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Am still using the 4312C Control Monitors for L/R channels. They still sound fantastic and in amazing condition. Was afraid the kids would knock over floor standing speakers (which one actually did and put a hole in a door) so my dad gave me them. They work great for movies and music still.
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I'd rather see a resurrection of the 4345 or the 4350, but these are still sexy beasts. I wonder what the asking price is going to be... I routinely drool over the ridiculously high-priced offerings from Kenrick Sound.
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Very retro but still nice
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Hopefully they won't cost as much as their astounding M2s!
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AT CES 2017, JBL released a new speaker, the 4312 SE, to celebrate its 70th anniversary. Click on the following link to read more: http://www.avsforum.com/jbl-4312se-s...d-at-ces-2017/
I still have a pair of 4301 Broadcast Monitors and still going strong and still have that full rich sound.
I still use my JRX118SB 18" sub, a freackin' awesome beast.
I used to own a pair of 4315 Near field monitors but sold them when the horn started to get creaky.
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Hopefully they won't cost as much as their astounding M2s!
I found a place online selling 4312E speakers for $1,000 each, not sure what the difference between the E and SE is though. If these are in the same ballpark as the new Klipsch Forte III we could be set for a proper old-school speaker throw down.
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Back in November, a retail of $2500 per 4312SE pair was mentioned.

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I'd rather see a resurrection of the 4345 or the 4350, but these are still sexy beasts. I wonder what the asking price is going to be... I routinely drool over the ridiculously high-priced offerings from Kenrick Sound.
I also *love* going over to Kenrick Sound - Master craftsmen resurrecting the compression loaded, vane guided JBL Pro line - serious audiophiles with fully functioning brains and ears. A portion of some of my Saturday nights have been spent streaming from the Kenrick Sound website over the last several years.

However I'll take a pass on the relevance of resurrecting the model 4312SE, sort of. But to your other point, the resurrection of the models 4345 or the 4350 - would be a far more meaningful proposition on behalf of upper-level management at Harmon Industries - something that clearly eludes present day high-level Harmon management - maybe due to afflictions of tinnitus and dementia at Harmon Industries?

Perhaps the new blood at Samsung will be far more capable with former Harmon Industries IP.
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The year was 2002, and we moved into the new house. My small studio no longer had room for 4311 studio monitors, so I replaced them with the active powered LSR series, a decision that I was sad about because the the LSR's were so clinical as to be sterile, a more accurate, less colored speaker for mastering on but lacking the character and richness of the legacy JBL's.

In my malaise, I happened upon a store on Broadway called Gold Sound with the JBL trademark on the store front. I walked into one of the rooms containing second hand and consignment property, and my eyes locked in on a pristine JBL B460 low frequency system. I had coveted that speaker since the '80's but had never seen one. I wrote a $1k check for it on the spot and went to borrow a pickup truck. As soon as I got home, I picked up a call from the store's owner Ron Gold, who told me they had noticed a rattle in the loudspeaker. Devastated and forlorn was I, Ron surprised me with an offer to replace the driver with a brand new-in-the-box 2245H. This was original equipment, and it was very important to me to have the OE so I elatedly accepted. He actually just handed me the 2245H in the box and I installed it myself. I was so happy and the sound was terrific, deep but musical. I mention the 2245H because that is the same 18 inch low frequency driver used in the 4345.

The B460 tuning is lower, larger cabinet volume and thus needs a specific equalization that JBL provided with the BX63A crossover with equalization. I was never able to find a BX63A so I built one myself from the BX63A schematic using linear op-amp IC's, exactly per the JBL schematic. It worked perfectly and this survived until a lightning strike in 2008 wiped out the power amp and crossover. At that point, it was easier to use the new Crown 4000XTi which had a software configurable equalization, so I just copied the equalization curve that JBL had published for the B460 system, and no more need for BX63A.

I continue to use and enjoy it to this day. The lightning strike as well as setting the house on fire (although not destroyed), also wiped out the LSR active monitors. The cement tile roof had exploded over the driveway, and I wasn't quite made whole by the insurance settlement so when it came time to replace the LSR's I was under a budget constraint. I auditioned Mackies, Yamaha, KRK, Adam, several others but in the end the active monitors I chose were DynAudio, chosen in no small part because their sound character reminded me of the JBL 4311's where it all started for me.

Although I don't know the reasons for resurrecting the 4312SE, I would bet that a.) JBL are not seriously expecting to sell many, b.) they were easily assembled from the parts bin, c.) the 4310/4311/4312/L100 were more responsible for JBL's success likely outselling the 4345/4350 100:1 or more. But if you are lucky enough to own the 4345/4350 or L220/L222 or S9800K2, those are lifetime speaker's that would be as relevant as anything you could buy today as long as you have the room for them. I would love to own the M2 master reference monitors above all. Once you drink the JBL Pro KoolAid, you are changed for life.
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I remember when they were the industry standard and could be found in just about every recording studio. I am proud to say that I own 7 of them today, so that I can do 7.1 surround. 3 are 4312 and the other four are 4311.
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I wonder how these will sell in home hi-fi outside of the Asian market. What from I've seen over the years, the Asian market (especially Japan) has a thing for JBL monitors for home hi-fi.
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I remember when they were the industry standard and could be found in just about every recording studio. I am proud to say that I own 7 of them today, so that I can do 7.1 surround. 3 are 4312 and the other four are 4311.
I bet that sounds amazing. I have soft spot for JBL 3-way monitors.
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So great seeing a new JBL with that classic style. So iconic. I love my 3677s and 8340a surrounds so very much in my 7.2 system.
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It's my understanding that these will be $2500 per pair, and that they sound considerably better than the original model they are based on. I saw them at CES but they were not set up for listening - just a static display.

Supposedly a classic, muscular "JBL sound" but more accurate, more refined. We may bring in a demo pair. If we do, I'll be sure to post my thoughts

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It's my understanding that these will be $2500 EACH, and that they sound considerably better than the original model they are based on. I saw them at CES but they were not set up for listening - just a static display.

Supposedly a classic, muscular "JBL sound" but more accurate, more refined. We may bring in a demo pair. If we do, I'll be sure to post my thoughts
I paid $250 each for (4) 4311WXA in 1978, and gawd it seemed like a lot of money then. They are just as out of reach to me now as they were in 1978! I wish I had kept them.

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According to the JBL Japan site, they are around $2,300 for a pair (260,000 Yen).

They show the non-SE version at around $1,600 a pair, and the 4429 for around $4,500 a pair.

http://jbl.harman-japan.co.jp/product.php?id=4312se
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I was wrong - the 4312SE lists out at $2500 per PAIR, not each. I corrected my post above. Sorry about that!

Pre-orders are going in now, with a ship date of mid- February.

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I was wrong - the 4312SE lists out at $2500 per PAIR, not each. I corrected my post above. Sorry about that!

Pre-orders are going in now, with a ship date of mid- February.
Nice, that's far more palatable. I'll be waiting to hear some owner impressions on these. I've never owned a pair, but something about the classic JBL monitors calls to me. It's a shame they didn't offer this with a blue baffle and walnut cabinet though.
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I was wrong - the 4312SE lists out at $2500 per PAIR, not each. I corrected my post above. Sorry about that!

Pre-orders are going in now, with a ship date of mid- February.
Do you have any spinorama/measurement of these 4312SE? For LCR speakers, will these be more suitable than LSR705P?
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Don't have spins, but I did follow up with Tim Gladwin at Harman, and he echoed the “muscular JBL sound” comment:

“Raw power vs. finesse, while still being very accurate. They do represent a pretty significant upgrade over the E version.”

Sounds like a great “rock and roll” / "party" speaker to me. Tim agreed with this assessment

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remind me of old cv speakers with triple the price...I really hated jbl back in the 80's...was a klipsch guy.

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Just an update and reminder for anyone interested in these - keep in mind that these are limited edition and once they are gone, they are gone. According to my regional rep, pre-orders for these are already rolling in and he expects them to be sold out in a few months.

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Just an update and reminder for anyone interested in these - keep in mind that these are limited edition and once they are gone, they are gone. According to my regional rep, pre-orders for these are already rolling in and he expects them to be sold out in a few months.
Of all my JBLs the 4312s are my favorite. I also was told these would sell out quick, so ordered mine weeks ago.
I can't wait to hear what they sound like with the new drivers.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how the new 1200FE-8 woofer might compare to the ND woofer in the 4312E?
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When I see it right, the 1200FE-8 woofer is the same as the one used in the JBL 4429, which is a much more expensive speaker. I wonder how JBL can explain the difference in price, when the components seem to be rather similar. The new 4312SE can be seen in Europe next week in Amsterdam, then I will know more about how they sound and how they compare to the ND woofer in the 4312E.
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If you get the chance to audition them, come back and let us know what you think.
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They can be heard in Europe, as the distributor for Europe told me, on ISE 2017 from 7-11 febr. 2017.
A friend of mine who works for another company on this meeting, will take a look for me.
Not ideal, I know, but better than nothing. I keep you informed.
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