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Timber matching Revel F32 for Dolby Atmos

Well the title says it all. I'm putting together a Dolby atmos theater and they aren't making M22'S anymore has anyone had any experience timber matching the F32 with a current produced bookshelf speaker?

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Well the title says it all. I'm putting together a Dolby atmos theater and they aren't making M22'S anymore has anyone had any experience timber matching the F32 with a current produced bookshelf speaker?
That would be either the Revel M106 or M105 - Performa3. All Revel speakers have the same design goal - flat accurate response combined with equally flat and accurate broad dispersion - so all designs will match well.
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Could you suggest a Revel ceiling speaker for Dolby Atmos?


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Maybe c763?


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Maybe c763?
The C763 will work very well, though literally 90% of Blu-rays are mastered using the Revel C763L as the height speaker. The 763L is a bit more money, but it has characteristics that make it almost ideal for an in-ceiling ATMOS height speaker.

You might check out the video in this post I made in the Revel thread:

Revel Owners Thread

Also, Kevin Voecks of Revel talks in depth about the C763L advantages at about 52 minutes into this video:

https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-geeks/episodes/90

If the speaker is going to go directly overhead (vs. aimed at your listening position), the C763 would still be an excellent alternative.

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I plan to set it up exactly as the Dolby Atmos guide instructs. Firing directly down. I'm building a room


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I was speaking about to c763 6.5" ceiling speaker the L seems to be a different animal


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Timber matching Revel F32 for Dolby Atmos

Oh I see you were suggesting that L was better. How much more are the c763L's?


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Oh I see you were suggesting that L was better. How much more are the c763L's?
Yes, hence their use on several ATMOS Blu-ray mastering stages.

The C763 lists out at $500 each, the C763L at $750 each. If you can share a floorplan with seating, etc, I can help suggest placement / speaker options.

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That would be either the Revel M106 or M105 - Performa3. All Revel speakers have the same design goal - flat accurate response combined with equally flat and accurate broad dispersion - so all designs will match well.

Very much agree with the above quote

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Well the title says it all. I'm putting together a Dolby atmos theater and they aren't making M22'S anymore has anyone had any experience timber matching the F32 with a current produced bookshelf speaker?

People like you, wanting to match the whole system are rare, now a day
But I am the same, my 4 surrounds bookshelf are a perfect match to my main towers (Aperion Verus Grand series)
I wanted to buy 4 more matching bookshelf for Atmos duty,and also no longer available
https://www.aperionaudio.com/speaker...kshelf-speaker
For me, series II is also a very close match,
https://www.aperionaudio.com/speaker...lf-speaker-602
and would expect the same from Revel
just like John Schuermann said, the newer model should be a very close match.




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Would the c763l be mounted at same locations as the Dolby Atmos guide they seem to directional


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Yes, hence their use on several ATMOS Blu-ray mastering stages.

The C763 lists out at $500 each, the C763L at $750 each. If you can share a floorplan with seating, etc, I can help suggest placement / speaker options.
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The C763 will work very well, though literally 90% of Blu-rays are mastered using the Revel C763L as the height speaker. The 763L is a bit more money, but it has characteristics that make it almost ideal for an in-ceiling ATMOS height speaker.

You might check out the video in this post I made in the Revel thread:

Revel Owners Thread

Also, Kevin Voecks of Revel talks in depth about the C763L advantages at about 52 minutes into this video:

https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-geeks/episodes/90

If the speaker is going to go directly overhead (vs. aimed at your listening position), the C763 would still be an excellent alternative.

Can you check my theater link, I would also like recommendation
The C763L have some angles into them (not directly down), and since I intend to buy 4 bookshelf for the ceiling duty.
I would also greatly appreciate your thought.


PM me, so we do not derail the OP thread, or quote me if you thing the OP, can get some important information for his situation.


Thank You


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Would the c763l be mounted at same locations as the Dolby Atmos guide they seem to directional
Yes, essentially. Will need to know a bit more about your room, seating, etc.

They are directional, but at the same time the flat woofer creates a reflection point for the mid-tweeter assembly that gives broad dispersion. Kevin Voecks addresses that specifically at 1:56 into this video:

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Can you check my theater link, I would also like recommendation
The C763L have some angles into them (not directly down), and since I intend to buy 4 bookshelf for the ceiling duty.
I would also greatly appreciate your thought.


PM me, so we do not derail the OP thread, or quote me if you thing the OP, can get some important information for his situation.


Thank You


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Hi Ray -

Looked through the pics - nice theater!

You might find the videos I linked to above quite helpful.

Sounds like you are weighing in-ceiling vs. mounting a bookshelf speaker to the ceiling? Obviously pros and cons to both. As mentioned, the C763L is being used for ATMOS mastering, so clearly the pros find it a good solution. The only caveat is that you need to cross them over at 80 hz or higher for best performance. I cross mine over at 110 hz to give them plenty of headroom. You've got those huge SVS subs to handle the bass so I think you would be wise to do the same thing

The C763L is best implemented with the mid-tweeter assembly rotated so that it is generally aimed at the main listening position.

Hope that helps!
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Hi Ray -

Looked through the pics - nice theater!

You might find the videos I linked to above quite helpful.

Sounds like you are weighing in-ceiling vs. mounting a bookshelf speaker to the ceiling? Obviously pros and cons to both. As mentioned, the C763L is being used for ATMOS mastering, so clearly the pros find it a good solution. The only caveat is that you need to cross them over at 80 hz or higher for best performance. I cross mine over at 110 hz to give them plenty of headroom. You've got those huge SVS subs to handle the bass so I think you would be wise to do the same thing

The C763L is best implemented with the mid-tweeter assembly rotated so that it is generally aimed at the main listening position.

Hope that helps!

Hello John


Thank for your post, and the nice compliment about my Theater


Yes, your post and the previous one with the video, did help.


As mention before by you. The C763L, are use a lot by studio for mastering a movie into Atmos.
This tell me that they are good, and should be, after all they under the badge name of Revel, very reputable.
What I really learn is Revel, Do angle the speakers to aim at the listener with the C763L (a nice beast for a ceiling speaker and also have it's own enclosure).
I can achieve the same with my bookshelf for a little bit of angle, and pointing to my MLP.
And also, do not mind the look of speaker with no grills and a nice finishing to boot


I got into this thread, by mentioning that I was on the same boat for speaker no longer available for the OP.


For me, I will stick with 4 more bookshelf, with mount for ceiling duty for Atmos.
So there was no decision on my part about in-ceiling/bookshelf speakers.
Easier to install than in-ceiling, and also keep the same sound signature for my system, since I own Aprion.


The one's I got
https://www.aperionaudio.com/speaker...kshelf-speaker
And these are going to be the one's I get for Atmos
https://www.aperionaudio.com/speaker...lf-speaker-602
Vey close for sound signature


Not really required other than the front 3, but since, I went to the trouble of matching all 7 speakers, why not keep going for the extra 4 speaker for the ceiling


As you said, I have plenty of bass from my sub's, all my speakers are set at 80Hz (Tower included).


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