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Help a newbie pick out a set up

Hi all, I've been reading the forum when researching speakers and whatnot but in a little bit of a dilemma. Recently, the Home Theater in a Box I have started having issues. The player powers on and off repeatedly becoming almost unuseable.
Model of the HTIB system is: Samsung HT-E6500W

First question is, would I be able to reuse the speakers if I simply purchase an AV Receiver? If not I would like help selecting pieces. I do not need a fancy 5.1 or greater set up right now as the speakers and whatnot would be in the family room, so no problem in starting with a simple set up then improving later. With all of that out of the way, lets move forward.

1) Your budget.
If possible, I would like to stay under $500
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern.
It would be used for everything, mostly tv and sometimes video games and music
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon.
Currently I have the sub and speakers from the Samsung HT-E6500W that was mentioned above and would like to reuse them if possible. If not, look at number 7 too.
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice).
I am not sure on the size of the room, but it is fairly open and connects to the kitchen as well as the main entrance and stairs.
5) Any placement restrictions.
There is a fireplace and so far, the tv is not wall mounted so its on a stand. Also the couch is one of those one piece multisection couches.
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.
Nothing too crazy or anything that I can think of, although my parents may not agree lol
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider).
Equipment I am currently considering is as follows:
AV Receiver: Yamaha RX-V381BL
Possible speakers: Polk T50 tower or maybe even Klipsh RC62II (from what i can tell they are not really matched together, but both do have decent deals going on them right now).
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.)
When it comes to listening to music, i do prefer some bass, but I also like to actually hear the vocals and not have them be drowned out by the bass. Plus a majority of the time, the system will be used for tv watching.

Please let me know if there is anything that I've missed. I do hope to get started on this asap.
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Your budget is super tight for a receiver and a set of speakers but here is what we can do...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...eivers/VSX-531

Pioneer VSK-531. - $250

http://elac.com/product/debut-b5/?r=us
Elac B5 speakers. - $229 / pair.

If you can stretch it further, definitely look at the step up in speakers if you can but I'm respecting your budget.


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First question is, would I be able to reuse the speakers if I simply purchase an AV Receiver? If not I would like help selecting pieces. I do not need a fancy 5.1 or greater set up right now as the speakers and whatnot would be in the family room, so no problem in starting with a simple set up then improving later. With all of that out of the way, lets move forward.
It's a little hard to tell from the Samsung site, but do your speakers have the typical binding posts/connectors on the back (one red, one black - or some combination)? If so, then the simple answer to your question is, yes - you could connect those existing speakers to a new receiver.

If they don't, then the easiest solution would probably be to get a new receiver and at least a 3.0 (your left, center, right channels) speaker setup.

You could save yourself some money and buy your receiver from accessoriesforless.com. They sell refurbished items. I've never bought a receiver from them, but have bought several speakers and they work just fine. Others in AVS have bought receivers from AFL.com and have reported similar findings.

Then you could use a little more money toward a better speaker setup. Keep in mind, if you have the means to go audition some (Best Buy Magnolia theater, local AV place, etc.) you can find what sounds best to your ear.

Also keep in mind, a complete setup can take time. You can always start with a solid 2.0 or 3.0. Then add a sub later. Then add surrounds after that. You definitely don't need to throw a complete system together, especially if you want to achieve good sound with a smaller budget.

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With that budget you can get a 3.0 system from Philharmonic Audio for around $350 and a $150 5.1 refurb AVR from Accessories for less or a 3.0 system from Q Acoustics for around $320.

Page down to see the center channel:

http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html

Receivers, I'd stay away from Onkyo as it is the most unreliable brand according to AVS member experience.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ceivers/1.html

Q Acoustics.

https://www.qacoustics.com/bookshelf...aker-pair.html

https://www.qacoustics.com/home-thea...l-speaker.html

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It's a little hard to tell from the Samsung site, but do your speakers have the typical binding posts/connectors on the back (one red, one black - or some combination)? If so, then the simple answer to your question is, yes - you could connect those existing speakers to a new receiver.

If they don't, then the easiest solution would probably be to get a new receiver and at least a 3.0 (your left, center, right channels) speaker setup.

You could save yourself some money and buy your receiver from accessoriesforless.com. They sell refurbished items. I've never bought a receiver from them, but have bought several speakers and they work just fine. Others in AVS have bought receivers from AFL.com and have reported similar findings.

Then you could use a little more money toward a better speaker setup. Keep in mind, if you have the means to go audition some (Best Buy Magnolia theater, local AV place, etc.) you can find what sounds best to your ear.

Also keep in mind, a complete setup can take time. You can always start with a solid 2.0 or 3.0. Then add a sub later. Then add surrounds after that. You definitely don't need to throw a complete system together, especially if you want to achieve good sound with a smaller budget.
They do have the one red and one black cables that connect them to the receiver that it came with, so those should work with a new receiver, correct? was looking at the RX-V381BL for ~$179.
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They do have the one red and one black cables that connect them to the receiver that it came with, so those should work with a new receiver, correct? was looking at the RX-V381BL for ~$179.
Those will definitely work as rears.

How are you setting up the rears?

Mine are on simple shelves at about ear height when standing toed in to the center of the room, (not pointed down), and work great.

My rears don't match my fronts brand wise though they are similar in design.

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They do have the one red and one black cables that connect them to the receiver that it came with, so those should work with a new receiver, correct? was looking at the RX-V381BL for ~$179.
Took a quick look at a review of that htib model and I think it's only the other end (the end that goes into the htib receiver thingy) that is proprietary, right? It said something about little plastic connectors. So long as the speaker itself can accept regular wire, you should be good there.

I'd use a pair (or two pair) as surrounds in a budget setup. I think the included subwoofer is passive though, right? That isn't the best option.

If you re-use the speakers as surrounds, that means you need a new front three and ideally a sub. And yeah, that receiver should work fine for you.

The philharmonics that were already mentioned would fit your budget.

Or a dayton setup w/ subwoofer.
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That receiver would work just fine. The problem is that you won't be able to use your sub with the Yamaha. You could start by getting the receiver and sub first. You can upgrade you front 3 later since just about any bookshelf speakers you get will need a helping hand from a sub.
This will put you a little over budget but is one of the best deals around right now.
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That receiver would work just fine. The problem is that you won't be able to use your sub with the Yamaha. You could start by getting the receiver and sub first. You can upgrade you front 3 later since just about any bookshelf speakers you get will need a helping hand from a sub.
This will put you a little over budget but is one of the best deals around right now.
SVS SB12-NSD
https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...ords=svs+nsd12
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Instead of a big (or I should say pricey) sub like that, would he be better off just going with something like the three philharmonics + cheap 10" yahama sub (like one of these guys -- http://www.accessories4less.com/make...r-black/1.html). I think it includes a free sub cable too.

Just wondering, as quite often I see these expensive-ish subs recommended to folks even though they need new front speakers. Now a sub will make a big difference, but wouldn't a decent front three + okayish sub be a bigger difference?

Ideally one would go with expensive sub + still nice front speakers, just not sure if that will be in his budget.
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Instead of a big (or I should say pricey) sub like that, would he be better off just going with something like the three philharmonics + cheap 10" yahama sub (like one of these guys -- http://www.accessories4less.com/make...r-black/1.html). I think it includes a free sub cable too.

Just wondering, as quite often I see these expensive-ish subs recommended to folks even though they need new front speakers. Now a sub will make a big difference, but wouldn't a decent front three + okayish sub be a bigger difference?

Ideally one would go with expensive sub + still nice front speakers, just not sure if that will be in his budget.
Yeah, with his fixed budget he's going to have to forget the sub for now, so the Philharmonic Audios would be the better choice as they play quite a bit lower than the Q Acoustics.
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I know the budget is a concern, it was a rough number that i had thrown out since I would like to purchase all this myself and with school and the car not much is there for stuff like this hehe.

How would those polk's in the main post be to just start up? or even the Monoprice 5.1 system for $179.99?
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I know the budget is a concern, it was a rough number that i had thrown out since I would like to purchase all this myself and with school and the car not much is there for stuff like this hehe.

How would those polk's in the main post be to just start up? or even the Monoprice 5.1 system for $179.99?
I can't speak of the polk towers as I haven't heard them before (although I can say the budget polk bookshelves stink), but I wouldn't lean towards the smaller 5.1 setups from monoprice (or any htib setups).

Reason being, you can use your existing speakers as surrounds just fine (or I assume so, if it has normal wiring). You just need three front speakers. I'd go with the three philharmonics at $335ish over the monoprice setup.

http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html
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I think I would pay the extra $20 a tower and jump up to the Polk TSX 330T (Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TS...s=polk+tsx330t ). The center would run you $118 https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TS...VWF99VN9YRZ7B8 . Drop down to the $229 Yamaha RX-V379 https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V37...amaha+receiver and get the amazon credit card discount of 5% and you are around $530 not counting taxes (if you pay tax in your area).

I have a friend who has the Polk TSi300 https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TS...ds=polk+towers as fronts with a matching center and they sound great for the cost.

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Start with 3 front speakers and a subwoofer. Add the surrounds later, since they do so little of the output anyway...or save up for nicer fronts later ($200/pair range) and move the Daytons to surround duty then.

fronts: Dayton B652, $45/pair from Amazon
center: BIC FH-6LCR, $105 from Amazon or Walmart
Dayton Sub1200, $150 from Amazon or Partsexpress.com

Since you're going to do mostly TV watching, the center speaker is the most important factor. Some reviews of the BIC:
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-FH.../dp/B0015A8Y3E

Perhaps the most helpful user review here:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm

Best of all, you can order one shipped free site to store for pickup. In the (unlikely) case that you don't like it, you'll be able to simply drop them off for an on-the-spot refund. Sot it's really a zero-risk proposition:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-LC...eaker/10298559

Get the receiver from accessories4less.com --- a certified refurb that is normally sold for $400 or above can be had for as little as $200. Yamaha is known for the best long term reliability, Denon is popular for their Audyssey auto-calibration tools (YMMV).
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Start with 3 front speakers and a subwoofer. Add the surrounds later, since they do so little of the output anyway...or save up for nicer fronts later ($200/pair range) and move the Daytons to surround duty then.

fronts: Dayton B652, $45/pair from Amazon
center: BIC FH-6LCR, $105 from Amazon or Walmart
Dayton Sub1200, $150 from Amazon or Partsexpress.com
If he's going the dayton route, wouldn't the dayton airs be the model to go for?


Instead of the dayton/bic/sub setup, wouldn't a set of philharmonics + center still be considered better? Yeah, no sub and so on, but they get reasonably low for bookshelves. I haven't heard the philharmonics so am just relying on user reviews here, but I have heard cheap bookshelves before supposedly better than dayton airs... not sure if I'd love them as my fronts.

I see no reason why he couldn't use his existing speakers as surrounds and I think he already found a decent deal on a yahama avr.
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If he's going the dayton route, wouldn't the dayton airs be the model to go for?

Instead of the dayton/bic/sub setup, wouldn't a set of philharmonics + center still be considered better? Yeah, no sub and so on, but they get reasonably low for bookshelves. I haven't heard the philharmonics so am just relying on user reviews here, but I have heard cheap bookshelves before supposedly better than dayton airs... not sure if I'd love them as my fronts.

I see no reason why he couldn't use his existing speakers as surrounds and I think he already found a decent deal on a yahama avr.
Strictly due to the OP's stated budget: The Philharmonics LCR would run something like $375 with shipping if memory serves ($225 for L/R, $150 for C with shipping) whereas the Dayton/BIC LCR would be more like $170 or $180 shipped. If he can afford the extra $$ for the Phils and still get the same sub and AVR then by all means why not? The Phils have possibly the most mid-bass of any $200-250/pair speakers but still would get squashed by the Dayton B652s with Sub1200 during HT usage.

The $20-30 price difference between the Dayton AIR vs Dayton B652 is also dependent on the OP's budgetary constraints.

Yes existing speakers could certainly be used as surrounds; I was suggesting a 3.1 setup only with his given budget.

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Strictly due to the OP's stated budget: The Philharmonics LCR would run something like $375 with shipping if memory serves ($225 for L/R, $150 for C with shipping) whereas the Dayton/BIC LCR would be more like $170 or $180 shipped. If he can afford the extra $$ for the Phils and still get the same sub and AVR then by all means why not? The Phils have possibly the most mid-bass of any $200-250/pair speakers but still would get squashed by the Dayton B652s with Sub1200 during HT usage.

The $20-30 price difference between the Dayton AIR vs Dayton B652 is also dependent on the OP's budgetary constraints.

Hmm.. I forgot about shipping costs, which would put him over his $500 budget. I think I am so used to amazon prime and places like that, I just assume shipping is minimal, like $20 or less.

As for philharmonic vs dayton, I was wondering if philharmonic without sub > dayton with sub. If the philharmonics were a big enough upgrade over the daytons I'd think even without a sub they may be worth it ... but I never heard them. Guess you feel that the sub + dayton would be the better option.

Once you factor in sub + avr, $500 doesn't quite go as far as one would think. I'd suggest the OP look at the used market, but not sure if he'd want to go that route.
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As for philharmonic vs dayton, I was wondering if philharmonic without sub > dayton with sub.
Only for music listening. For HT, there's no substitution for a sub to get more of the LFE during big budget action movies and thrillers, even a cheap sub like the Dayton 1200.

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For a super tight budget that simply won't budge I'm not sure you can do any better than this to be honest.

http://www.parts-express.com/b652-ai...oofer--300-697

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...47xwemuLFCm.97

Sure the frequency response isn't as ruler flat as the Philharmonic Audios but for HT and Audyssey to help with the frequency response not bad at all really.


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Hey guys, thank you all for the recommendations. I did look into some and also went to my local best buy to listen to some offerings that they have.

I liked the Klipsch bookshelf's they had, I believe they were the R-15M.

I was thinking of going with a 3.1 set up for now, even if I am a little over budget. But here are the speakers and whatnot that I was looking at.

L/R: Klipsch R-15M
Center: BIC Acoustech PLC-28II or Klipsch RC-52II
Sub: BIC America F12 (have read many great reviews for this as an entry level sub on here) or Dayton Sub1200 (as previously recommended)

I believe it puts me at roughly: $650/700 for the speakers/sub.

How would it be. As of right now I do not have a receiver, but am looking at something similar to the R-V381 (was unable to get it since I went out of town at the time of that promotion)
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Hey guys, thank you all for the recommendations. I did look into some and also went to my local best buy to listen to some offerings that they have.

I liked the Klipsch bookshelf's they had, I believe they were the R-15M.

I was thinking of going with a 3.1 set up for now, even if I am a little over budget. But here are the speakers and whatnot that I was looking at.

L/R: Klipsch R-15M
Center: BIC Acoustech PLC-28II or Klipsch RC-52II
Sub: BIC America F12 (have read many great reviews for this as an entry level sub on here) or Dayton Sub1200 (as previously recommended)

I believe it puts me at roughly: $650/700 for the speakers/sub.

How would it be. As of right now I do not have a receiver, but am looking at something similar to the R-V381 (was unable to get it since I went out of town at the time of that promotion)
If you like Klipsch/BIC which are similar in design maybe three of these for $360; gives you a total of six 6.5" drivers.

http://www.parts-express.com/bic-for...eaker--303-438

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If you like Klipsch/BIC which are similar in design maybe three of these for $360; gives you a total of six 6.5" drivers.

http://www.parts-express.com/bic-for...eaker--303-438
OP, these are also available from Walmart online which would give you maximum ease of return in case you don't like them, by dropping off in-store:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-L...eaker/10298559

(They go in and out of stock every couple weeks.)

Personally I'd just get one of the FH6 for your center, and with the $100 savings you can move up from the BIC F12 to the BIC PL200 subwoofer.

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OP, these are also available from Walmart online which would give you maximum ease of return in case you don't like them, by dropping off in-store:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-L...eaker/10298559

(They go in and out of stock every couple weeks.)

Personally I'd just get one of the FH6 for your center, and with the $100 savings you can move up from the BIC F12 to the BIC PL200 subwoofer.
The Klipsch he wants have only one 5.25" driver vs two 6.5" drivers for the cheaper BIC LCR which can be used for a center and the left and right.

I'm going to guess the BICs aren't as bright/potentially shrieky as the BICs based on what you and others have said about them.

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The Klipsch he wants have only one 5.25" driver vs two 6.5" drivers for the cheaper BIC LCR which can be used for a center and the left and right.

I'm going to guess the BICs aren't as bright/potentially shrieky as the BICs based on what you and others have said about them.
I don't think the difference in driver size really matters though...I've run that BIC with my Wharfedales, the QA 3020 and C20, and the EMPTek R5Bi all of which have single 5.25" drivers, without any problems.

Yes the BICs have a bit of a roll-off at the top...not enough to be called "warm" by any means, but certainly enough to avoid the excessive treble that lower level Klipsch has long been accused of. However, as L/R mains the FH6 seems to be a mixed bag, with some people liking it and some saying that they sound a bit "thin" due to the sealed cabinet design which probably extends no further than 80-90Hz (their claimed 40Hz spec is a joke).
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OP, these are also available from Walmart online which would give you maximum ease of return in case you don't like them, by dropping off in-store:


(They go in and out of stock every couple weeks.)

Personally I'd just get one of the FH6 for your center, and with the $100 savings you can move up from the BIC F12 to the BIC PL200 subwoofer.
Hmm, the FH6-LCR seems similar enough to flow well according to reviews I've read on it.

Also the subs, is the PL200 that much better for it? I was reading that its better for more open spaces as well so may lean towards that for the sub as well, but on the fence a bit too since the master bedroom has a wall connecting to the family room as well.
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