Originally Posted by Timothy1180
I went and got the entire prestige line for a in home demo. The 95f package
I had bp7001sc, clr3000, 4 bpvx and sm450 as my atmos speakers. The sm450 are about 12' up pointed down a mlp. Powered by adcom 7805 with a onkyo 3010. Now it's a Yamaha 3060. Subs are a pair of rythmik fv15hp.
The paradigm were beautiful. The sound was very good. Great detail and decent bass for a passive speaker. Center channel and surrounds were ok. Never was impressed. Did some music listening and again was impressed. My dealer even came buy to help because He just wanted me to be happy. We spent about 3 hours. Ran rew. A bunch of eq. Than we put clr3000 back in with bp7001sc. Wow was like night and day. Way richer sound. Mids were back. Bass was tight and all around us. Tweeters were just right. We put entire definitive system back together. Which he helped. He is a great guy. Thanks Mitch!
He dropped definitive from his store in 2010 when 8080 came out. Newer stuff just isn't the same.
It helped him realize how great the definitive use to be. Reason why bp7000sc were ranked in top 30 speakers ever built. Bp7001 are almost the same. Very close.
So what I'm advising is upgrade your 2006tl. Get bp7002 to match clr2500. Or better yet get bp7000 with clr3000. Your surrounds are great. Maybe get bpvx all the way around. Your bpvx/p are very rare. Sell em and bpx. Than 4 bpvx won't cost a thing. Than you need to get surrounds up higher on the wall. Also on different plains so they don't cancel each other out. Just so close together or I wouldn't recommend that. In that room you could probably get away with just 2 surrounds.
Now on bass... very fun part. Supercube 1 is very good sub. Same sub and amp in each one of my 7001sc. I've also owned sc1. Was able to produce output down to 16hz in room. Was great on output. I still have numbers written down in my home theater file. Lol. 101db @20hz. 112@40. 116@80. That was at mlp 12' from sub in a 16'x14'12' room. So great little sub. Produced about same numbers as pb2000 that I still own. Pb2000 102@20. 110@40. 115@80. Pb1000 was tested in my room as well. Was 92db@20. 105@40. 106@80. Wasn't a good sub at all.
If you get bp7000sc probably won't need a sub. Or you would have to get two pb16 to get better.
So for a music only system paradigm were nice. Just not better in any way. Save your money and stay definitive. Remember also which many have forgotten. Bp7000 were $5500 a pair new. Bp7001sc were $4000 new.
Also your onkyo is very good and way better than that anthem. Lol not even close. Don't get tricked into a anthem like many have.
Also if you want to sell any of your gear. I'll buy it. You have great stuff!!! Just upgrade those 2006tl
Timothy, It is such a relief to have read your post. It seems I've just needed the assurance from someone that I already have a good setup that requires a bit of tweaking to make it very good.
Yes I think it is too much bass that I feel is ruining my enjoyment, it is that booming humming sound from too many powered speakers that is bothering me, remember the fronts, center and BPVX/P are all powered speakers + SuperCube 1.
In my latest AccuEQ Room Calibration, I opted to choose one sub instead of two subs although the two fronts speakers are connected with a Y and input in Sub 2 in the receiver. The following are the reading I got:
Speaker Impedance 6 ohms
Front Speaker Type: Normal
Height 1 & 2 : Dolby enabled back & front
Subwoofer 1 Ch
Back ch 2ch
LPF of LFE 80Hz
Subwoofer Phase 0
As for speaker distance
Front Left: 11.1ft
Front Right 1.2ft
Surround Right 8.0ft
Surround left 8.0ft
Back Right 5.0ft
Back Left 5.6ft
Subwoofer 1 15.6ft
Height 1 left 11.8ft
Height 1 Right 12.0ft
Height 2 Right 8.7ft
height 2 Left 8.6ft
Front Left 0.0dB
Front Right -1.0dB
Surround Right -5.5db
Surround Left -5.0dB
Back Right -2.5dB
Back Left -3.5dB
Height 1 Left +3.5dB
Height 1 Right +3.0dB
Height 2 Left +3.0dB
Height 2 Right +3.0dB
I had to turn the knob on the back of all front, center and surround from 3 o'clock to 0. It was too much bass.
I would definitely consider upgrading my front with bp7000 with clr3000 if I can manage to find them or at least the bp7000 if my clr2500 can match the bp7000 in terms of tonality.
I doubt you can find new ones out there. Something else you mentioned that my bpvx/p are very rare but you suggested selling them, how come, they are probably one of the best surround in terms of value for money.
And what did you mean to place my rear surround on a different plains so they won't cancel each other. Would placing them on the wall at a higher level be just enough.
Finally coming back to the SuperCube 1, you are one of the few who had positive words on this subwoofer, almost everybody else recommended discarding it and replacing it with one or two better subs. I don't know if I need two in a room the size of mine.
As you've mentioned the priority is to replace the bp2006 and if I manage to find the bp7000 then no need for another sub. I remember when I bought the SuperCube 1, it was the second top ranked subwoofer Definitive had right behind the reference subwoofer.