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Wireless Speaker to use with TV

I would like some advice please on a suitable wireless speaker that would be effective with a TV as well as a main music speaker, but could be moved around the house occasionally.

Budget maybe up to £400-£500.There are plenty of good wireless speakers but not sure about suitability with a TV. A soundbar isn't portable enough. We have an open plan lounge/kitchen and would like to be able to move the speaker around.

I have been looking at the Bluesound Mini, Bose Soundtouch, Aerosphere Large, Play 5 etc.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
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I would like some advice please on a suitable wireless speaker that would be effective with a TV as well as a main music speaker, but could be moved around the house occasionally.

Budget maybe up to £400-£500.There are plenty of good wireless speakers but not sure about suitability with a TV. A soundbar isn't portable enough. We have an open plan lounge/kitchen and would like to be able to move the speaker around.

I have been looking at the Bluesound Mini, Bose Soundtouch, Aerosphere Large, Play 5 etc.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
No Bluetooth TVs so does your TV have an optical digitial audio out or analog RCA or Miniplug audio out?

If the former, something like this won't work.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_616PLA...c&awug=1014257

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I will be buying a new TV so yes. Not sure which model yet but later this year in the £2,000 area.
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I will be buying a new TV so yes. Not sure which model yet but later this year in the £2,000 area.
I'm sure you can find something like this in the UK that will convert optical digital to analog to plug into a wireless speaker for your TV sound needs if no analog audio out is available on the TV you end up choosing.

https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Optic.../dp/B003OND0N4

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I would like some advice please on a suitable wireless speaker that would be effective with a TV as well as a main music speaker, but could be moved around the house occasionally.

Budget maybe up to £400-£500.There are plenty of good wireless speakers but not sure about suitability with a TV. A soundbar isn't portable enough. We have an open plan lounge/kitchen and would like to be able to move the speaker around.

I have been looking at the Bluesound Mini, Bose Soundtouch, Aerosphere Large, Play 5 etc.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
Klipsch "the one" or "the three". I have "the one" and it sounds great.

Klipsch RF-62II, RC-500, RS-400, SVS PC12+,
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I would like some advice please on a suitable wireless speaker that would be effective with a TV as well as a main music speaker, but could be moved around the house occasionally.

Budget maybe up to £400-£500.....
There is no such thing as a wireless speaker, but there are speakers that have wireless Streaming of Audio .... within limits.

Can you explain the need for Portable speakers, and what do you mean by portable? If you mean battery powered, count on being disappointed.

Here are the things you need to consider -

1.) Connections - Ideally what every you have will have an Optical Digital Input. Most TVs today do NOT have analog outputs, do you need a DAC and most likely an Optical Input.

2.) Remote Control - The Digital Audio Out of the TV will NOT respond to the TV Remote Control, specifically with reference to Volume. The Digital Outs of the TV will be fixed, they can't be changed with the volume control. So your external device, Active Speaker or Amp+Speakers will have to have its own remote volume control.

3.) Form Factor - by that I mean the size and shape will have to be conducive to working with a TV. It can not block the screen and must be able to be placed in a convenient spot.

4.) Features - Besides needing a Remote Control, you need to decide if Streaming is necessary. And is that both Audio and Video Streaming? Do you already have some way of doing this? Do you only need Streaming from Internet Streaming Services, or do you need to Stream content from local storage? Do you have any other devices that you might need to plug in? Turntable? CD Player? Other?

There are some speakers that have all the features you need, however, they are usually more than you want to spend or less than you want to spend. Though keep in mind this is not a field I follow closely.

For example, the SONOS Play:5 does Network Streaming exceptionally well, but that I can tell besides a Network Connection, it only has a single analog AUX input. That means for TV it will probably need an external DAC. Though I have not checked the specs closely, but I did not see an optical input anywhere.

The only thing I found that was remotely close to your budget were these Klipsch Speakers -

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714R15...ce-R-15PM.html

They do NOT have Network Streaming, but they do have Bluetooth Streaming.

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I would like some advice please on a suitable wireless speaker that would be effective with a TV as well as a main music speaker, but could be moved around the house occasionally.

Budget maybe up to £400-£500.There are plenty of good wireless speakers but not sure about suitability with a TV. A soundbar isn't portable enough. We have an open plan lounge/kitchen and would like to be able to move the speaker around.

I have been looking at the Bluesound Mini, Bose Soundtouch, Aerosphere Large, Play 5 etc.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
These should be quite easy to move around and best of all they have a subwoofer out so you can leave the subwoofer by the TV and move the speakers around the house.

http://petertyson.co.uk/index.php/q-...FQ5EfgodPtUAZg

http://petertyson.co.uk/index.php/ya....html?___SID=U

Power output: 2 x 50W
• Bass unit: 100mm
• Treble unit: 25mm
• Connection options
• Bluetooth V4.0 including aptX
• Analogue 3.5 mm stereo jack socket
• Analogue RCA phono sockets
• Digital optical (Toslink)
• Subwoofer output (RCA)
• Speaker terminals
• Dimensions (W x H x D): 148mm x 240mm x 226mm (each)

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Since it appears that you want to listen to either DTV or Music System [i.e. AVR, Sound-Bar, or HTIB] I'm going to PRESUME that "PLAN A" would be to connect Digital Audio (Optical) Output on DTV [most have it] to Optical Input on Music System.

I would advise AGAINST using Bluetooth for Front Speakers since it uses lower Quality COMPRESSED Audio and has short range limitations. If you decide to use a WISA, Wi-Fi [or Bluetooth] Audio Extender (see below), then you would presumably connect Audio OUTPUT of Music System to Audio Extender Transmitter via one of the Music System's OUTPUTs [e.g. Optical, Speaker Output Terminals or Pre-Output RCA Jacks]....which varies depending on which of the following approaches is selected.

"PLAN B" would be a separate approach which would operate independently of the Music System and hence would presumably need an A/B Optical Switch to select either DTV or Music System as the Source.

FOLLOWING ARE ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES:

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1) Many HTIB Systems have Wireless Speakers...but ONLY for the Surrounds and maybe LFE....NOT for the desired L/C/R speakers. And some AVR's transmit Bluetooth [COMPRESSED audio, Short Range, Line-Of-Sight Limitations]...but read the fine print, since AVR contains the High Power Amps, it likely only supports L/R to Headphones....and/or LFE and/or Surrounds.

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2) OTOH: Over the past several years, a NEW Wireless Technology has begun to be available to overcome the Range and Sound Quality limitations of Bluetooth, called WISA (WIreless Speaker Audio). See list of mfr's [incl. specific models listed below] who have adopted WISA [in 5.2-5.8 GHz Band, mostly BELOW the 5.8 GHz Wi-Fi Band] for distributing 5.1/7.1 Digital Audio Signals in UNCOMPRESSED, up to 24-bit, 96 ksps Digital Audio Formats:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...s-home-theater
http://www.wisaassociation.org

Enclave CineHome Wireless Theater has [long range] Wireless Speakers for ALL SIX...even the L/C/R, so you are free to locate ANY of them anywhere you want:
https://www.amazon.com/Enclave-Audio.../dp/B00W972KB4
Enclave Audio CineHome HD 5.1 Wireless Audio Home Theater System | Wireless Speakers Shop

Axiim Q is another ALL Wireless Home Theater System...unfortunately Amazon only has WISA Speakers still in stock:
https://www.lifewire.com/axiim-wirel...system-1847028
https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/ind...h&search=axiim [$2500 for 5.1 and $2900 for 7.1]
https://missingremote.com/review/fir...theater-system [Review of Prototype]
https://axiim.com

Some (All???) of the fol. Klipsch Systems use WISA for Wireless Connection to Some (All???) of the Speakers (I didn't check each model):
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...2Bwisa+klipsch
http://www.klipsch.com/hd-wireless-speakers

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3) Fol. SoundCast Wireless Speaker EXTENDER/AMPLIFIER System has a long-range Wi-Fi TRANSMITTER that connects to [ANY] Music System's L/R FRONT Speaker OUTPUTS [Optical NOT supported] and sends Wireless Signal to the RECEIVER, which has a BUILT-IN 2x50 W/Ch STEREO AMPLIFIER to drive a pair of connected SPEAKERS [ANY Speakers....could continue to use EXISTING]. To listen to DTV, the Extender's Optical Output would be connected to one of the HTIB Optical Inputs [PS: DTV's do NOT (yet) provide an HDMI OUTPUT]. Obviously, the Receiver must be plugged into AC Power and has wires to L/R Speakers:
https://www.amazon.com/Soundcast-SurroundCast-Wireless-Receiver-Transmitter/dp/B003F7R7SI [2.4 GHz Wi-Fi, 2x50 W/ch Amp]
http://media.datatail.com/docs/manual/158290_en.pdf

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4) There are LOTS of Bluetooth Enabled Speakers on the market....most of which are JUNK....and are LIMITED to SAME ROOM, mostly Line-Of-Sight Operation...which may or may not meet your needs. Here's one that didn't seem to fall into the "Junk" category....I'm sure that there are more to choose from:
https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1700.../dp/B016PATXSI

If you don't have a Bluetooth Enabled Music System, you would need to add an Optical (From DTV and/or Music System) to Bluetooth Transmitter, such as:
https://www.amazon.com/ARCHEER-Bluet.../dp/B06XRXV664

This particular Bluetooth Transmitter ALSO comes with a Bluetooth RECEIVER, each of which could be plugged directly into ANY Amplified Speaker (too numerous to pick out any favorites). It also claims to be LOW-LATENCY so hopefully no LIP-SYNC problems and has a USB I/F Cable that presumably can be plugged into DTV to provide round-the-clock power to the device...or you can get a small Wall-Wart with USB 5VDC Output.

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5) Fol. Long-Range, CD-Quality, Wireless Sub-Woofer/Surround Speaker Extender is pretty simple and can be used with ANY Powered Speaker. The TRANSMITTER is designed to plug into the SW [or Surround] RCA Output Jack(s) on a Music System [if so equipped], with the RECEIVER connected to thee RCA INPUT Jack on a POWERED Speaker (which only need to plug into AC Power). You would need a TX/RX Pair for each Powered Speaker, beginning with the L/R Fronts. There are MANY Powered (incl. AC or Battery) Speakers to chose from....here are just a few:
http://www.techsounded.com/best-powered-speakers
https://www.planetdj.com/blog/best-p...kers-2016-2017
https://www.audioadvice.com/content/...th-a-turntable

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6) Wireless Speakers, including a W-L Transmitter (Long Range, NOT Bluetooth):

SMALL, W-L SPEAKER with LOW AMPLIFIER POWER [Perhaps in ADDITION to Primary L/R Speakers???]:
https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Rese.../dp/B007JCMDA2 [900 MHz, Battery or AC]
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital.../dp/B003H3G4ZW [900 MHz, Battery or AC]

LARGER, W-L SPEAKER with MEDIUM TO HIGH AMPLIFIER POWER:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014LFINIA [Wi-Fi, Sonos Play-5]
https://www.amazon.com/Soundcast-ICO.../dp/B01B3QJZZ0 [2.4 GHz Wi-Fi, 20-hr Battery or AC Power, 100 W/Ch]
https://www.amazon.com/iFinity-Wirel.../dp/B008BY89LO [Wi-Fi???, AC Power, 80 W/Ch]
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UE8J3A [2.4 GHz Wi-Fi, 15-hr Battery or AC Power, 60 W/Ch]
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010LH2VS [2.4 GHz Wi-Fi, 6-hr NiMH Battery or AC Power]

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Wow thanks for your responses I'll go through and have a look at your suggestions. I appreciate the time you've taken.
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I'd also consider SONOS.

Media Room: JVC DLA-RS420, ST 125" 2.35:1 screen, Denon AVR-x4300h, Outlaw Audio 7125, Sony UBP-X800, Klipsch RF-7ii fronts, RC-64ii center, RS-62ii x2 surrounds && RS-41ii x2 backs, HSU VTF-3 MK5 x2 subs, Micca M-8C heights

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