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GoldenEar Introduces Invisa Signature Point Source In-Wall Speakers

The new Signature Point Source speaker from GoldenEar promises Triton tower performance in an architectural in-wall design. The company plans to demo this new speaker at CEDIA 2017. Typically, the GoldenEar demo is one of the best at the show and this speaker sure looks promising.

Notes from the CEDIA 2017 demo here: GoldenEar Invisa SPS In-Wall Speaker Demo at CEDIA 2017

The original announcement is here: GoldenEar to Demo New Invisa Signature Point Source In-Wall at CEDIA 2017

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The design objective of this speaker is to create a point source radiation pattern, which has the benefit of improving imaging.
*sigh* 3000Hz has a wavelength of 11.5cm. For drivers to form a coherent single source the spacing between driver centers would need to be about 1/4 of that = 2.9cm, i.e. about an inch.
Looking at the picture the drivers are way farther apart. The result is off-axis comb filtering effects which is the opposite of a "point source radiation pattern"...

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Very interesting. My soundcinema XL is amazing...but I always wondered about high end in walls for better separation. I have the space, but they need to really make a difference. I do have a good amp behind it nad m25...

Would love for sandy to weigh in.
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I've used the Invisa MPX with good results. Looking forward in listening to these new inwalls at CEDIA.

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Low frequency response going down to 25Hz from so small speaker enclosure?
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To those that are going to cedia, can you find out if in a surround config, they recommend using one as the center? From an aesthetic standpoint, that would probably look best, but is probably overkill for a center.

I'm guessing that would take some wall modifications since its wider than the stud gap.
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To those that are going to cedia, can you find out if in a surround config, they recommend using one as the center? From an aesthetic standpoint, that would probably look best, but is probably overkill for a center.

I'm guessing that would take some wall modifications since its wider than the stud gap.
https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/go...-speaker.1103/

They list the speaker dimensions as: Speaker Dimensions: (H/W/D): 27-9/16" (70 cm) x 7-15/16" (20.2 cm) x 3-1/4" (8.25 cm)

and cutout as:
Cutout Dimensions: 26-9/16" (67.5 cm) x 7-1/8" (18.2 cm)

Should fit 16in on center.
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Drew,

The speaker is 8" wide (including the grille cover).

Are you thinking installing on it side so to speak using the 28" height parallel to the floor?

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Low frequency response going down to 25Hz from so small speaker enclosure?
GoldenEar suggests not using a back box for best response. Also, based on my experience with the company's products, 25 Hertz is not the -3 dB point (nor do the specs claim it to be).

It would be handy if GoldenEar were to start publishing +/-3 dB anechoic specifications as well as marketing specs. I love the performance of the company's products, but the bass extension is exaggerated versus what's published by a number of competitors at GoldenEar's price point.

It's unclear what metric the company uses to establish the marketing specs.

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To those that are going to cedia, can you find out if in a surround config, they recommend using one as the center? From an aesthetic standpoint, that would probably look best, but is probably overkill for a center.

I'm guessing that would take some wall modifications since its wider than the stud gap.
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They list the speaker dimensions as: Speaker Dimensions: (H/W/D): 27-9/16" (70 cm) x 7-15/16" (20.2 cm) x 3-1/4" (8.25 cm)

and cutout as:
Cutout Dimensions: 26-9/16" (67.5 cm) x 7-1/8" (18.2 cm)

Should fit 16in on center.
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Drew,

The speaker is 8" wide (including the grille cover).

Are you thinking installing on it side so to speak using the 28" height parallel to the floor?
Seems to me Drew is thinking of rotating it. I can chat with Sandy at CEDIA about installation and usage options.

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Yep, you guys are following my thinking and questions. Is it recommended to rotate 90 degrees and use as a center channel?

Thanks for taking my usage question to Cedia. I'd love to know Sandy's thoughts as an upgrade to the XL soundbar if you can work it in.
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I will text my rep. Will also visit SG at CEDIA.

My guess is they will not allow rotating the tweeter. That's only a guess...

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Tweeter can be rotated when nstalled horizontally. My guess was wrong.

Now if the wall is not load bearing you can just box around it using 2x4s. In the event it is load bearing you will need a 2x10 or 2x12 header in the wall above the center channel. If that is the case I'd make the header say 40" wide and have triple jack studs for each side.

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Yep, you guys are following my thinking and questions. Is it recommended to rotate 90 degrees and use as a center channel?

Thanks for taking my usage question to Cedia. I'd love to know Sandy's thoughts as an upgrade to the XL soundbar if you can work it in.
My contact at GE states with driver type and arrangement it is voiced more towards the SuperCenter XXL.

I hope this helps.

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Any additional feedback after Cedia?
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Any additional feedback after Cedia?
Yes, I went to the demo, I'll write it up tomorrow.

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That was a crazy fast response. Thanks Mark, looking forward to your thoughts.
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Drew,

They sounded great. At that price point it should do well.

It is voiced similar to the SC XXL. If interested I have the center set up (not the new in wall mind you). I'm in southern DE.

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The article indicated these go on sale winter of 2018. Is that correct? So these won't be out until Nov/Dec next year?
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The article indicated these go on sale winter of 2018. Is that correct? So these won't be out until Nov/Dec next year?
Winter starts December 21, ends March 20.

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Very interesting. My soundcinema XL is amazing...but I always wondered about high end in walls for better separation. I have the space, but they need to really make a difference. I do have a good amp behind it nad m25...

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Hi Drew, As you have probably read, the response to the new SPS was outstanding. They really sounded terrific, and at times listeners were not sure if they were listening to the Triton References or Invisas. Realistically, great as the 3D Array XL is, clearly a system built around SPSs would be better. All the Best, Sandy
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Thanks Mark and Mike for your thoughts. Sounds like another very impressive demo.

Sandy, thanks for your direct feedback. It's very cool to be able to connect with the those who design and make products you enjoy. My XL combined with a forcefield 5 and invisas is incredible. I hope to upgrade to the SPS someday soon.

I noticed in the demo you had the center above the tv. Was that intentional, or just do to space constraints? I would have to tear my wall and build a frame for the center and was thinking ear level. Ha, I actually noice you are running a Sony tv and an oppo player, the same as my setup.
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Winter starts December 21, ends March 20.
That's my point:
Winter 2017 Thursday, December 21, 2017 Tuesday, March 20, 2018
Winter 2018 Friday, December 21, 2018 Wednesday, March 20, 2019

The article says winter 2018, so does that mean it actually goes on sale at the end of next year?
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That's my point:
Winter 2017 Thursday, December 21, 2017 Tuesday, March 20, 2018
Winter 2018 Friday, December 21, 2018 Wednesday, March 20, 2019

The article says winter 2018, so does that mean it actually goes on sale at the end of next year?
I see your semantic point but no, this winter not next winter.

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GoldenEar suggests not using a back box for best response. Also, based on my experience with the company's products, 25 Hertz is not the -3 dB point (nor do the specs claim it to be).

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DefTech does that too. Makes it impossible to tell what a sub can do without measuring it yourself.

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I owned DefTech's largest towers some years back. The integrated subs were absolutely awe inspiring, or at least I so thought at the time. One reason I got rid of them (actually gifted them to my son who lives in a high-rise building; his neighbors must love him lol), was they had an ever so slight harshness at a certain frequency that was quite grating.

Recently, I auditioned the Triton One towers. I was very impressed. A smooth presentation, never harsh, never grating, and great soundstaging, with voices uncannily coming from dead center. I would have purchased them had I not just completed setting up a full Klipsch system. While the Tritons have advantages over the Klipsch, they won't play as loud with the same slam. I'm now using an SVS Ultra Sub and a JLAudio F212.

However, all that said, and sorry for going on so long partially OT, a part of me wishes I had gone in wall. Towers are big, even in a big room, and my room is 23' x 23', open to a 12' x 23' kitchen, so 35' x 23' in all. The Klipsch rear and sides stick off the wall at least 6 to 8 inches and I certainly would have preferred in wall there.

I should have put more thought into it. I am thrilled with the resultant sound, but in wall sure is a clean look.
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Thanks Mark and Mike for your thoughts. Sounds like another very impressive demo.

Sandy, thanks for your direct feedback. It's very cool to be able to connect with the those who design and make products you enjoy. My XL combined with a forcefield 5 and invisas is incredible. I hope to upgrade to the SPS someday soon.

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Hi, We had it above the TV due to space constraints and the logistics of dealing with a crowd at a trade show. Ideal would be ear level, or if lower, angled up a little. Thanks, Sandy
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