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what is the consensus theory here about eq'ing speakers to get a desired sound ?.... just off hand i seem to recall a few people saying it is something akin to audiophile bad ju-ju... my case in point .. i am trying out some new speakers.. i kinda like them, but i like them a lot more when i drop the treble to -4 (out of a scale of 2-10 by 2's) .. it takes almost all the bright out of the tweeters , and that fits my ear better ... so am i committing a serious theoretical offense?...
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i am trying out some new speakers.. i kinda like them, but i like them a lot more when i drop the treble to -4 (out of a scale of 2-10 by 2's) .. it takes almost all the bright out of the tweeters , and that fits my ear better ... so am i committing a serious theoretical offense?...
E Q and tone control options are there for a reason -- so that you can use them -- just make sure the detail is still there that you want.
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The fact of the matter is, no matter how well a speaker is tuned by a manufacturer in their anechoic room (or not), the frequency response will always vary when you put them in your room. High-frequency reflection (or absorption), bass decay rates, standing waves, null modes, and low-frequency room gain all affect how the speaker will sound in the end-user's room, because of the room. For these reasons, I am a huge proponent of EQ'ing speakers, level-matching, and if necessary adjusting time-delay. In fact right now I'm using a dbx Driverack PA² to EQ my Legacy Audio Studio HD's. Even though dbx's AutoEq wizard works decently, I really like manually adjusting all the parametric settings, together with fine-tuning with the 31-band EQ. I am using the Dayton Audio OmniMic V2 system to capture the frequency response before-and-after, and will be posting my results in the Legacy Audio Thread.
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E Q and tone control options are there for a reason -- so that you can use them -- just make sure the detail is still there that you want.
i don't know if you tried eq'ing the 2020's , but they are a LOT less bright when i dial the treble back... and they don't seem to lose any detail i can't live with..
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The fact of the matter is, no matter how well a speaker is tuned by a manufacturer in their anechoic room (or not), the frequency response will always vary when you put them in your room. High-frequency reflection (or absorption), bass decay rates, standing waves, null modes, and low-frequency room gain all affect how the speaker will sound in the end-user's room, because of the room. For these reasons, I am a huge proponent of EQ'ing speakers, level-matching, and if necessary adjusting time-delay. In fact right now I'm using a dbx Driverack PA² to EQ my Legacy Audio Studio HD's. Even though dbx's AutoEq wizard works decently, I really like manually adjusting all the parametric settings, together with fine-tuning with the 31-band EQ. I am using the Dayton Audio OmniMic V2 system to capture the frequency response before-and-after, and will be posting my results in the Legacy Audio Thread.
that's something i need to read in the near future .. thanks
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i don't know if you tried eq'ing the 2020's , but they are a LOT less bright when i dial the treble back... and they don't seem to lose any detail i can't live with..
I do not do much EQ above 200 hz -- and my room is fairly well treated with carpet and decrative acoustic foam around the wall. There is no real echo or echo flutter. However with that said, the 2020i has a happy bump (somewhere around 1k to 2k) and some type of treble rising lift along the upper band. The speaker is voiced somewhat to stand out in show-rooms. However, with that said they are still some nice speakers for the price.

I will be nice and not tell you that the 3020 is voiced somewhat different, and is more linear in the upper frequency band.
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I do not do much EQ above 200 hz -- and my room is fairly well treated with carpet and decrative acoustic foam around the wall. There is no real echo or echo flutter. However with that said, the 2020i has a happy bump (somewhere around 1k to 2k) and some type of treble rising lift along the upper band. The speaker is voiced somewhat to stand out in show-rooms. However, with that said they are still some nice speakers for the price.

I will be nice and not tell you that the 3020 is voiced somewhat different, and is more linear in the upper frequency band.
lol.. like i said .. your killin' me .. i am going to have to call qa and talk customer service into a swap...
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lol.. like i said .. your killin' me .. i am going to have to call qa and talk customer service into a swap...
They really are a good company and customer friendly -- they will work with you.
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lol.. like i said .. your killin' me .. i am going to have to call qa and talk customer service into a swap...
May as well go for the concept 20's then.

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They really are a good company and customer friendly -- they will work with you.
well the customer service line just gave me the brush off.. time for some wharfedales
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problem with eq is that everytime you listen to something recorded in a different studio or by a different engineer you will be adjusting your own system. buy a speaker you find you dont need to eq to save you that time/hassle. or just do what most do, never turn up the volume loud enough to where it bothers you
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well the customer service line just gave me the brush off.. time for some wharfedales
That is strange.

However, for me I tend to go online and request an RA number -- I got my number in one day -- I sent them back and got my refund one day after they received the speakers. I ordered the 3020 separate of the return.

Nothing wrong with going the Wharfedale route if you desire them.

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My problem...or rather issue with EQ of the speakers was my need to understand what is happening....



REW and a mic lets you know what is happening and exactly what you do not like or like.


I did not use it to try and get some perfectly flat response down the rabbit hole, rather to identify what I did not like and understand what I did like.


If one has no OCD need to understand, then adjust away until happy.....
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That is strange.

However, for me I tend to go online and request an RA number -- I got my number in one day -- I sent them back and got my refund one day after they received the speakers. I ordered the 3020 separate of the return.

Nothing wrong with going the Wharfedale route if you desire them.
nothing strange about it really .. i was asking them to eat the return shipping in exchange for ordering a pair of higher priced speakers.. it's just a negotiation tactic on my part.. 2 different reps ( 1 phone 1 email) shined me on... no huge loss , i still have 3+ weeks to decide .. BUT.. if i return them i AM buying Wharfedale... and i won't purchase qa in the future ... just a personal preference....
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nothing strange about it really .. i was asking them to eat the return shipping in exchange for ordering a pair of higher priced speakers.. it's just a negotiation tactic on my part.. 2 different reps ( 1 phone 1 email) shined me on... no huge loss , i still have 3+ weeks to decide .. BUT.. if i return them i AM buying Wharfedale... and i won't purchase qa in the future ... just a personal preference....
It is just their policy -- very few companies will eat the return, unless there is a physical problem with the product -- however, the 10% off per bookshelf is still active -- continue to work with the 2020i some more, maybe they will grow on you some more -- continue to enjoy the testing journey.
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i kinda like them .. it's just my policy to grind every penny of value out of every purchase.. i emailed back my exact request even explaining that i could buy either qa or wharfedale with the return money .. it's up to them ...i asked for a supervisor to reply.. it's all negotiation... you might be surprised what you can get by being a little passive aggressive ..
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it is just their policy -- very few companies will eat the return, unless there is a physical problem with the product -- however, the 10% off per bookshelf is still active -- continue to work with the 2020i some more, maybe they will grow on you some more -- continue to enjoy the testing journey.
see post #16
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what is the consensus theory here about eq'ing speakers to get a desired sound ?.... just off hand i seem to recall a few people saying it is something akin to audiophile bad ju-ju... my case in point .. i am trying out some new speakers.. i kinda like them, but i like them a lot more when i drop the treble to -4 (out of a scale of 2-10 by 2's) .. it takes almost all the bright out of the tweeters , and that fits my ear better ... so am i committing a serious theoretical offense?...
What AVR are you using?

Yesterday for the first time I wrote down what the basic Audyssey MultiEQ is doing to my speakers and it was rather interesting as my Usher V602 towers with a single 7" main driver play down to 39hz via the spec and to my ears and the V603 center is a 40lb beast with dual 7" drivers.

The auto EQ actually boosted the frequency range for the male voice which was a bit of a surprise; no dramatic +/- 3db changes above that.

HZ F L F R C
63 1.5 2.0 1.5
125 3.5 3.0 1.5
250 4.5 3.5 1.5
500 0.0 0.5 0.0
1khz 0.0 0.0 1.5
2khz 1.0 1.0 2.0
4khz 0.0 1.0 0.5
6khz 0.5 1.0 0.5
16kz -0.5 -0.5 1.5

The rears are B&W DM100i's with a 6" main driver in a sealed enclosure so the EQ for them was also a surprise considering their claimed 80hz -3db point. The left surround is very near a corner but the right surround is not. The are mounted against the back wall at ear height when standing, the couch is against the same wall.

HZ S L S R
63 -3.0 -1.5
125 -1.0 -2.5
250 1.0 -2.5
500 -1.0 -2.0
1khz 1.0 1.0
2khz 0.5 2.0
4khz -3.0 -2.0
6khz -2.0 -1.0
16kz 3.0 5.0

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