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Question Seeking recommendations for a 5.1.2 speaker setup

Hi there,

I searched and read for days and everyone seems to have different views and opinions, I'm more lost than anything else

Ok so here is my dilemma, I just purchased a Sony STR-dn1080 and I'm trying to get a 5.2.1 set of speakers and enjoy atmos.

Now trying to find a brand/model for such a setup is so confusing. The back of the receiver says 6~16ohms, the ad says 165 W per channel yet the spec sheet says RMS Output Power (6 ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz, THD 0.09%) 100 W + 100 W, which I believe is the important detail after reading about impedance for days but most speakers seem to be 8ohms...

I feel like slapping someone in Sony's marketing dept.

Can someone recommmend a brand/model for a 5.2.1 setup? I don't want to worry about turning /the volume too high to damage the speakers and don't wanna fry the receiver, I want to play it loud and lose myself in awesome entertainment from this chaotic world.

Thank you in advance!
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Well, we'll definitely need more info! There is plenty to recommend for a 5.1.2 system, but knowing more about your room and your budget for speakers/sub-woofer is important! What other kinds of preferences or limitations might you have? EX, are you thinking about towers or bookshelf speakers, in-ceiling/on-ceiling for Atmos, a decent bit to think about.

Yes, a lot of speakers are certainly 8 Ohm, will be absolutely fine with your receiver.

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This is the Receivers, Amps, and Processors forum; however, as you already have the AVR, you would be better served asking for help for your 5.1.2 setup in the Speakers forum linked below ...

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/
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6~16 ohms - several speaker companies make 4 ohm speakers, they are not recommended for this receiver also using ohms law several speakers can be combined in multiple ways and fit in between 6 and 16 ohms system load

for watts here is what to expect (you probably saw this)
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench
(even though you said it ranges from 6 - 16 ohms)
the 165 watt rating is Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 161.0 watts and 1% distortion at 192.2 watts.
Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...GxjzD5I7r3y.99
companies bloat their specs in wattage and freq response, sadly it's a common marketing ploy

I once had it described like this
watts are like orange juice
you can have it straight from the orange or from the powder it's still orange juice

so don't read too much into wattage
speaker sensitivity will make the loudness difference not an extra 20 watts in the avr
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Well, we'll definitely need more info! There is plenty to recommend for a 5.1.2 system, but knowing more about your room and your budget for speakers/sub-woofer is important! What other kinds of preferences or limitations might you have? EX, are you thinking about towers or bookshelf speakers, in-ceiling/on-ceiling for Atmos, a decent bit to think about.

Yes, a lot of speakers are certainly 8 Ohm, will be absolutely fine with your receiver.
Sorry about the lack of details, I thought you all came over for BBQ before...

The room is 11' by 15' with a height of 8'. The tv would be on the 11' wall with the centre and L/R towers. The budget would be anything awesome under $3000. For surround I'm thinking of 2 bookshelf and for in-ceiling or on depends on price I suppose and noticeable difference in sound.

Here's more specs on the receiver:

AUDIO POWER SPECIFICATIONS
POWER OUTPUT AND TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION:
(USA models only)
With 6 ohm loads, both channels driven, from 20 Hz – 20,000 Hz; rated 100 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.09% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output.

Amplifier section 1)
Minimum RMS Output Power
(6 ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz, THD 0.09%)
100 W + 100 W
Stereo Mode Output Power (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.9%)
120 W + 120 W
Surround Mode Output Power 2)
(6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.9%)
165 W per channel

1) Measured under the following conditions:

USA, Canada: 120 V AC, 60 Hz
Oceania, Europe: 230 V AC, 50 Hz

2) Reference power output for front, center, surround and surround back speakers. Depending on the sound field settings and the source, there may be no sound output.

Frequency response
Analog
10 Hz – 100 kHz, +0.5/–2 dB (with sound field and equalizer bypassed)
Input Analog
Sensitivity: 500 mV/50 kilohms
S/N3): 105 dB (A, 500 mV4)) Digital (Coaxial)
Impedance: 75 ohms
S/N: 100 dB (A, 20 kHz LPF) Digital (Optical)
S/N: 100 dB (A, 20 kHz LPF)

Output (Analog)

ZONE 2
Voltage: 2 V/1 kilohm

SUBWOOFER
Voltage: 2 V/1 kilohm

Equalizer
Gain levels
±10 dB, 1 dB step
3) INPUT SHORT (with sound field and equalizer bypassed).
4) Weighted network, input level.

Thank you so much for your assistance!
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OP, you had 3 threads all on the same topic. An admin deleted the second thread in the receiver forum. I've locked the same thread in the speakers forum. Below is the text that you posted:

Hi there,

I searched and read for days and everyone seems to have different views and opinions, I'm more lost than anything else

Ok so here is my dilemma, I just purchased a Sony STR-dn1080 and I'm trying to get a 5.1.2 set of speakers and enjoy atmos.

Now trying to find a brand/model for such a setup is so confusing. The back of the receiver says 6~16ohms, the ad says 165 W per channel yet the spec sheet says RMS Output Power (6 ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz, THD 0.09%) 100 W + 100 W, which I believe is the important detail after reading about impedance for days but most speakers seem to be 8ohms...

I feel like slapping someone in Sony's marketing dept.

Can someone recommmend a brand/model for a 5.1.2 setup? I don't want to worry about turning /the volume too high to damage the speakers and don't wanna fry the receiver, I want to play it loud and lose myself in awesome entertainment from this chaotic world.

The room is 11' by 15' with a height of 8'. The tv would be on the 11' wall with the centre and L/R towers. The budget would be anything awesome under $3000. For surround I'm thinking of 2 bookshelf and for in-ceiling or on depends on price I suppose and noticeable difference in sound.

Here's more specs on the receiver:

AUDIO POWER SPECIFICATIONS
POWER OUTPUT AND TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION:
(USA models only)
With 6 ohm loads, both channels driven, from 20 Hz – 20,000 Hz; rated 100 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.09% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output.

Amplifier section 1)
Minimum RMS Output Power
(6 ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz, THD 0.09%)
100 W + 100 W
Stereo Mode Output Power (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.9%)
120 W + 120 W
Surround Mode Output Power 2)
(6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.9%)
165 W per channel

1) Measured under the following conditions:

USA, Canada: 120 V AC, 60 Hz
Oceania, Europe: 230 V AC, 50 Hz

2) Reference power output for front, center, surround and surround back speakers. Depending on the sound field settings and the source, there may be no sound output.

Frequency response
Analog
10 Hz – 100 kHz, +0.5/–2 dB (with sound field and equalizer bypassed)
Input Analog
Sensitivity: 500 mV/50 kilohms
S/N3): 105 dB (A, 500 mV4)) Digital (Coaxial)
Impedance: 75 ohms
S/N: 100 dB (A, 20 kHz LPF) Digital (Optical)
S/N: 100 dB (A, 20 kHz LPF)

Output (Analog)

ZONE 2
Voltage: 2 V/1 kilohm

SUBWOOFER
Voltage: 2 V/1 kilohm

Equalizer
Gain levels
±10 dB, 1 dB step
3) INPUT SHORT (with sound field and equalizer bypassed).
4) Weighted network, input level.

Thank you so much for your assistance!

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Do not create multiple threads on the same topic in multiple forums.
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Yes apologies, wanted to post here but couldn't edit my other posts afterwards due to newbie status but it's all sorted out now. Any recommendations for a 5.1.2 setup (brand/model) with the above specs?
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Sorry about the lack of details, I thought you all came over for BBQ before...

The room is 11' by 15' with a height of 8'. The tv would be on the 11' wall with the centre and L/R towers. The budget would be anything awesome under $3000. For surround I'm thinking of 2 bookshelf and for in-ceiling or on depends on price I suppose and noticeable difference in sound.

Thank you so much for your assistance!
O.K., so this is just ONE scenario among so many possibles, I'm sure others will chime in with other selections, but you could try this:

SVS Prime Tower Surround System: https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-tower-surround-system
$1549.00

HSU Research: VTF3 MK5 Subwoofer: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html
$892.00 (w/shipping)

RSL: C34E In-Ceiling Speaker: https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/
$250/PR

You could also look at the SVS Prime Elevation speakers if you don't want to go in-ceiling.

Gets you in under budget, good quality. SVS speakers are not the most sensitive on the planet, but I think they would be just fine in your room.

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Yes apologies, wanted to post here but couldn't edit my other posts afterwards due to newbie status but it's all sorted out now. Any recommendations for a 5.1.2 setup (brand/model) with the above specs?
As you are new to all this, and hopefully in the US, I would look to Best Buy first for your setup.

These new speakers from Polk have been very well received and if you buy a pair of speakers to try at Best Buy, you can fill out your system from there; if not happy simply return them and move on to the next excellent series available at Best Buy which would be the Klipsch RP series.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-system-review

The link below is for Crutchfield as I cannot link the whole series at Best Buy but Best Buy has the same prices and if not they will match Crutchfield's.

https://www.crutchfield.com/shopsear...ture.html?&o=p

As you can see, even their largest towers are only $700/pair so well within your budget which would allow you to get an excellent sub, (or two), but NOT from Best Buy.

PORTED SUBWOOFERS $600 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

Specs are from the manufacturer unless noted otherwise.

150watts 28hz $199 EMOTIVA BASX S8
200watts 27hz $299 EMOTIVA BASX S10
300watts 26hz $399 EMOTIVA BASX S12, (extension from Brent Butterworth measurement)
350watts 30hz $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)
250watts 22hz $423 HSU VTF 1 MK3
200 watts 22hz $439 HTD LEVEL THREE
300watts 18hz $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)
300watts 19hz $549 RHYTHMIK LV12R
350watts 18hz $604 HSU VTF2 MK5, (verified by Audioholics review)

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

300watts 22hz $499 SVS SB1000
300watts 18hz $539 RHYTHMIK L12
500watts 19hz $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)

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O.K., so this is just ONE scenario among so many possibles, I'm sure others will chime in with other selections, but you could try this:

SVS Prime Tower Surround System:
$1549.00

HSU Research: VTF3 MK5 Subwoofer:
$892.00 (w/shipping)

RSL: C34E In-Ceiling Speaker:
$250/PR
Everything looks good just that I'm wondering about the 8 ohms and wattage for the svs, I'll assume that it's no issue with the dn1080? The dn1080 specs says 6ohms @ 100w, I'll admit that I know nothing but I'll assume that I can play them as loud as I want without any worries? The sound will also be loud and clear? The sub's rms says 600W? I feel like I'm in math class on final exam day and skipped a year of study... The sub and receiver isn't an issue?

Apologies in advance for noob syndrome but everyone starts learning somewhere
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No worries Mr. Awesome! You're right - you've gotta start somewhere - and a place like here is better than some salesman that just wants to blow sunshine up....well, you know....(not that all salesmen are bad, but the average big box store salesmen don't always know what they are doing/talking about). So you've come to the right place.

Well, loudness is both objective in that you can calculate SPL based on performance of the speakers and whatever is driving them, but also subjective - "as loud as I want" - what you want and I want are probably two different things - you will be able to drive them loudly, and for your space, I think "loud enough" (also subjective). Speakers and whatever is driving them, in your case the Sony receiver - both have their limits - but will they perform up to your level? Only you will know based on your listening preferences.

Sub and receiver - not an issue - the receiver is merely passing a low level signal to the subwoofer - which in the case of what I and gajCA have recommended, are powered - not relying on external amplification. And like gajCA mentioned - two is worth considering if you have the space and budget - though you can always start with one, and add a second later - you'll ideally want to match the subs, two of the same, or at least of very similar performance all around if not the same.

The nice thing is, most of these ID companies have generous in-home auditioning policies, so if you are not happy, they are returnable - and SVS has fantastic customer service and support - if in doubt, simply give them a call and run your scenario by them - see what they say! They might even have a better recommendation after discussing with you.

Keep in mind - unless you're ON a tight time line for whatever reason, OR you've simply concluded max. budget, and that is that - there is nothing wrong with taking your time; do research, read, read, read, ask questions, and in the meantime, you can keep saving $$$ to get that next best speaker, or subwoofer, and so on. This is a very fun hobby that can yield a lot pleasing results - but it can also be frustrating and a bit overwhelming.

And one thing I'll say right here and now is do not waste your money on expensive CABLES.......we can help you with this too when the time is right, that is, if you need it!
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As you are new to all this, and hopefully in the US, I would look to Best Buy first for your setup.

These new speakers from Polk have been very well received and if you buy a pair of speakers to try at Best Buy, you can fill out your system from there; if not happy simply return them and move on to the next excellent series available at Best Buy which would be the Klipsch RP series.

The link below is for Crutchfield as I cannot link the whole series at Best Buy but Best Buy has the same prices and if not they will match Crutchfield's.

As you can see, even their largest towers are only $700/pair so well within your budget which would allow you to get an excellent sub, (or two), but NOT from Best Buy.

PORTED SUBWOOFERS $600 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

Specs are from the manufacturer unless noted otherwise.

150watts 28hz $199 EMOTIVA BASX S8
200watts 27hz $299 EMOTIVA BASX S10
300watts 26hz $399 EMOTIVA BASX S12, (extension from Brent Butterworth measurement)
350watts 30hz $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)
250watts 22hz $423 HSU VTF 1 MK3
200 watts 22hz $439 HTD LEVEL THREE
300watts 18hz $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)
300watts 19hz $549 RHYTHMIK LV12R
350watts 18hz $604 HSU VTF2 MK5, (verified by Audioholics review)

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

300watts 22hz $499 SVS SB1000
300watts 18hz $539 RHYTHMIK L12
500watts 19hz $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)
So many choices, I notice that speakers give a range of wattage, the klipsh spec says that the high channel for the tower says power handling: up to 50 watts RMS (100 watts peak)... Again noob here but wouldn't that mean that my receiver could damage this speaker if I listen to it to loud? Also with all the subs you listed, could you explain how my receiver can handle 500 watts? What's the difference between all of them?

I can't stroll into Best Buy because I'm in a remote community only accessible by air. I have to take your words as is and thank you for all assistance provided
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So many choices, I notice that speakers give a range of wattage, the klipsh spec says that the high channel for the tower says power handling: up to 50 watts RMS (100 watts peak)... Again noob here but wouldn't that mean that my receiver could damage this speaker if I listen to it to loud? Also with all the subs you listed, could you explain how my receiver can handle 500 watts? What's the difference between all of them?

I can't stroll into Best Buy because I'm in a remote community only accessible by air. I have to take your words as is and thank you for all assistance provided
OK, got it then buying speakers that are delivered to YOUR home for free and if you don't like them can be returned FOR FREE are where you need to focus.

As Jonas implied, put the specifications down, your very nice Sony has MORE THAN ENOUGH power for any of the speakers we will be discussing.

A subwoofer these days has it's own built in amplifier so it actually relieves the need for your Sony amp to put power out for lower frequencies so, essentially, adding a sub gives your Sony MORE power.

We'll start with companies you should buy from. You have a $3000 budget which will net you a very nice system no matter who you buy from.

Buying on reviews and on looks alone is just fine.

Do some research on these companies' products and then ask questions; they all offer fine choices and most have easily accessible pro reviews on line:

INTERNET DIRECT BRANDS WITH FREE RETURN SHIPPING:
Aperion
SVS
HTD
RSL
JBL

After you've decided about a couple of choices come back and ask more questions and we'll answer them and settle your 2.0.2 budget before recommending subs, (subs are easier to choose as they are not as "nuanced" in sound as speakers because they only handle the lowest frequencies where the "flavor" of the sound is of little importance, unlike speakers.

None of the speakers on the list above are poor choices.

Do a bit of homework and there's tons of people here to help you; your Sony is a fine foundation to build from.
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No worries Mr. Awesome! You're right - you've gotta start somewhere - and a place like here is better than some salesman that just wants to blow sunshine up....well, you know....(not that all salesmen are bad, but the average big box store salesmen don't always know what they are doing/talking about). So you've come to the right place.

Well, loudness is both objective in that you can calculate SPL based on performance of the speakers and whatever is driving them, but also subjective - "as loud as I want" - what you want and I want are probably two different things - you will be able to drive them loudly, and for your space, I think "loud enough" (also subjective). Speakers and whatever is driving them, in your case the Sony receiver - both have their limits - but will they perform up to your level? Only you will know based on your listening preferences.

Sub and receiver - not an issue - the receiver is merely passing a low level signal to the subwoofer - which in the case of what I and gajCA have recommended, are powered - not relying on external amplification. And like gajCA mentioned - two is worth considering if you have the space and budget - though you can always start with one, and add a second later - you'll ideally want to match the subs, two of the same, or at least of very similar performance all around if not the same.

The nice thing is, most of these ID companies have generous in-home auditioning policies, so if you are not happy, they are returnable - and SVS has fantastic customer service and support - if in doubt, simply give them a call and run your scenario by them - see what they say! They might even have a better recommendation after discussing with you.

Keep in mind - unless you're ON a tight time line for whatever reason, OR you've simply concluded max. budget, and that is that - there is nothing wrong with taking your time; do research, read, read, read, ask questions, and in the meantime, you can keep saving $$$ to get that next best speaker, or subwoofer, and so on. This is a very fun hobby that can yield a lot pleasing results - but it can also be frustrating and a bit overwhelming.

And one thing I'll say right here and now is do not waste your money on expensive CABLES.......we can help you with this too when the time is right, that is, if you need it!
Yep cables needed too once I make the jump, it's funny how my questions never seem complete, when I mentioned loudness I realized after reading your post that it's not an accurate measurement...

I guess I'd say loud enough where I don't suffer any permanent hearing loss haha! I would like to be able to put the volume knob all the way up and say this is nuts and then turn it down half way to an acceptable level if that makes any sense hehe!

I've been reading on and off for about a week now and I can say that I know a fraction more of what I knew but as you have said, asking here was better than asking a salesperson, I even contacted Sony prior to posting on the forum and they said I could use any 8ohms speakers @ 165W rms, I said that doesn't sound right and I felt like I was talking to someone who had no clue what I was asking.

Anyways timewise, I have a sony str-dn1080, ordered an OPPO UDP-203 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Player and waiting on the LG OLEDB7P TV but got no speakers ordered yet, so I'll gladly take your expertise and advice, cables too
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Yep cables needed too once I make the jump, it's funny how my questions never seem complete, when I mentioned loudness I realized after reading your post that it's not an accurate measurement...

I guess I'd say loud enough where I don't suffer any permanent hearing loss haha! I would like to be able to put the volume knob all the way up and say this is nuts and then turn it down half way to an acceptable level if that makes any sense hehe!

I've been reading on and off for about a week now and I can say that I know a fraction more of what I knew but as you have said, asking here was better than asking a salesperson, I even contacted Sony prior to posting on the forum and they said I could use any 8ohms speakers @ 165W rms, I said that doesn't sound right and I felt like I was talking to someone who had no clue what I was asking.

Anyways timewise, I have a sony str-dn1080, ordered an OPPO UDP-203 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Player and waiting on the LG OLEDB7P TV but got no speakers ordered yet, so I'll gladly take your expertise and advice, cables too
Yeah, you should not have a problem with loudness, not at that room size and seating distances - it'll be just fine. Of course, if you are in the middle of nowhere and have no neighbors - I'd go a different route if you were trying to crack your foundation or bring walls down.

I have found that big companies like Sony, etc., tend to not provide the most expert advise on their products. Not until you get into Pro lines, at least with Sony, speaking from personal experience. Companies like Oppo on the other hand - their techs. actually know what they are talking about. Dunno about LG......

Of course none of this will do you any good without cables. I'm a big fan of DIY when it comes to speaker cables, save you money, not time, but can be fun to build! Might require a small investment in a few tools, depending on how far you go and how you build them.

If you'd like to get more of an idea:

Have a look at these Beauties!!!! How to make your OWN "High End" Cables!!!

If you don't care about the looks, and just want signal moving through, that's inexpensive. You'll see many companies recommended in the above thread, like Monoprice, Knuconceptz, and more.

If you simply don't want to screw around and want nice looking cables that will do the job, you can look at something like the SVS Soundpath line, and a lot of blokes will think those are pricey! And compared to DIY, they might be. Lots of options.

(And make sure you use Premium Certified HDMI cables for your Oppo! One will come with it, you'll need another one, again, no need to spend a lot!)
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FYI, never ever turn anything "all the way up", unless you feel the need to replace your speakers the next day.
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FYI, never ever turn anything "all the way up", unless you feel the need to replace your speakers the next day.
Haha! I got kids and their friends come over all the time, I'll just have to make sure they leave it alone then.
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Ok so gajCA suggested to look at the Klipsch RP series, I did and they look very nice so I checked the specs and it looks like the RP-250F has 100W continuous power at 8 ohms?

http://assets.klipsch.com/product-sp...Spec-Sheet.pdf

The dn1080 specs says "With 6 ohm loads, both channels driven, from 20 Hz – 20,000 Hz; rated 100 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.09% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output."

Wouldn't that mean the dn1080 doesn't have enough "juice" for continuous power of 100W with 8ohm for this type of speaker?

Any scientist here that could tell me what's the ideal continuous wattage for the dn1080 with 8 ohms loads? My brain seems so bent in wanting to understand this... Confusion confusion

There should be an online receiver/speaker calculator, this is math after all...
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It is rare to use all the power at once -- speakers like Klipsch will get plenty loud with-out full volume -- do not worry about all this receiver fear -- the Sony is fine, just get 6 or 8 ohms nominal speakers -- the Sony can handle it, and the Sony has plenty of power.

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Haha! I got kids and their friends come over all the time, I'll just have to make sure they leave it alone then.
Check the receiver features - it *might* have a max. volume setting that you can program so regardless of the volume knob / remote volume, you can't go beyond your set point......
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The dn1080 specs says "With 6 ohm loads, both channels driven, from 20 Hz – 20,000 Hz; rated 100 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.09% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output."

Wouldn't that mean the dn1080 doesn't have enough "juice" for continuous power of 100W with 8ohm for this type of speaker?
The two speaker ratings you should be looking at are its efficiency/sensitivity rating and its max output rating. Efficiency/sensitivity is tied to how many DB's it plays with 1 watt of power. Simplified, the later is tied to how loud it gets before its starts to melt from heat (thermal compression) or reaches its mechanical limits. For example, a speaker rated at 90dB plays that loud with 1 watt. Then you need to double the power every time you raise the level 3dB. Going from 85dB to 94dB sensitive speakers, for example, effectively makes your amp three times as powerful. E.g.:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/articles/...Specifications

Get speakers that are sensitive enough that you don't need to squeeze that last 2 to 3dB out of your amp and let it run below 50 watts most of the time. The closer you get to gear limits, the more distortion and bad sound you get and you also shorten the life of the gear. You want your amp loafing along most of the time, not working at its max.
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Ok so gajCA suggested to look at the Klipsch RP series, I did and they look very nice so I checked the specs and it looks like the RP-250F has 100W continuous power at 8 ohms?

http://assets.klipsch.com/product-sp...Spec-Sheet.pdf

The dn1080 specs says "With 6 ohm loads, both channels driven, from 20 Hz – 20,000 Hz; rated 100 watts per channel minimum RMS power, with no more than 0.09% total harmonic distortion from 250 milliwatts to rated output."

Wouldn't that mean the dn1080 doesn't have enough "juice" for continuous power of 100W with 8ohm for this type of speaker?

Any scientist here that could tell me what's the ideal continuous wattage for the dn1080 with 8 ohms loads? My brain seems so bent in wanting to understand this... Confusion confusion

There should be an online receiver/speaker calculator, this is math after all...
Only problem with those very nice speakers as that you are too far away from a Best Buy to easily return them.

JBL has free returns and any of their speakers will play plenty loud and clear.

Monoprice has speaker wire up to 10ft long with banana plugs already attached.

https://www.monoprice.com/category/c.../speaker-wires

Longer lengths if you want them pre terminated.

https://www.amazon.com/Silverback-Sp...009RTC62K?th=1
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Only problem with those very nice speakers as that you are too far away from a Best Buy to easily return them.

JBL has free returns and any of their speakers will play plenty loud and clear.

Monoprice has speaker wire up to 10ft long with banana plugs already attached.

https://www.monoprice.com/category/c.../speaker-wires

Longer lengths if you want them pre terminated.

https://www.amazon.com/Silverback-Sp...009RTC62K?th=1
I'm in Canada... Free shipping is an issue...
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I'm in Canada... Free shipping is an issue...
In Canada look at NHT speakers on Amazon Canada as they are actually less than in the US which is unusual; very well regarded speakers.

Crutchfield offers 60 day returns in Canada but if you return something you are on the hook for shipping both ways; if you keep them shipping is "free."

Here are a couple of well reviewed speakers from Crutchfield Canada to consider.

https://www.crutchfield.ca/p_065A25B....html?tp=73418

https://www.crutchfield.ca/p_107SIGS...S15-Black.html

https://www.crutchfield.ca/p_760ALPB....html?tp=73418
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Haha! I got kids and their friends come over all the time, I'll just have to make sure they leave it alone then.
I'm not sure about Sony, but most Denon AVR's let you set a max volume setting. Very useful feature when you have drunk friends, careless teenagers or toddlers that like to touch everything.
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In Canada, I'd look at PSB, Kef or the aforementioned NHT.
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/cat...82842-KEF-Q100
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/cat...Psb-Imagine-XB
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Ok so after reading and researching and repeating that procedure over and over, so far I'm looking at the Polk Signature Series, 2x S60 tower and 2x S20 Bookshelf and 1x S35 centre. Ok so far for my dn1080 receiver?
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Ok so after reading and researching and repeating that procedure over and over, so far I'm looking at the Polk Signature Series, 2x S60 tower and 2x S20 Bookshelf and 1x S35 centre. Ok so far for my dn1080 receiver?
In Canada, your speaker choices are usually slim and grossly overpriced compared to the US... HOWEVER, there is currently *one* option which is shockingly less LESS expensive in Canada than in the US, and I'd expect it to easily outperform the Polks:
https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-Audio-Supe...s=nht+superone

You can find more customer reviews of them on US Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperOne-...=nht+superones

NHTs are known for their accuracy and neutrality, so they will do music and HT equally well. Extra bonus is that these are sealed cabinet speakers so they don't need any rear clearance unlike a traditional rear-ported speaker. Which means you can put them inside cabinets or flush-mount to a wall without any problems compared to a rear-ported speaker like the Polks.

I would simply do 5 x NHTs all around (having your center be identical to your front L/R is actually the acoustic ideal), and put the savings into a solid sub like the SVS PB1000:
https://www.electronicsforless.ca/sv...ofer-3884.html

On the other hand, if you buy the Polks from Best Buy you can easily take them back if you don't like them.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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In Canada, your speaker choices are usually slim and grossly overpriced compared to the US... HOWEVER, there is currently *one* option which is shockingly less LESS expensive in Canada than in the US, and I'd expect it to easily outperform the Polks:
https://www.amazon.ca/NHT-Audio-Supe...s=nht+superone

You can find more customer reviews of them on US Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperOne-...=nht+superones

NHTs are known for their accuracy and neutrality, so they will do music and HT equally well. Extra bonus is that these are sealed cabinet speakers so they don't need any rear clearance unlike a traditional rear-ported speaker. Which means you can put them inside cabinets or flush-mount to a wall without any problems compared to a rear-ported speaker like the Polks.

I would simply do 5 x NHTs all around (having your center be identical to your front L/R is actually the acoustic ideal), and put the savings into a solid sub like the SVS PB1000:
https://www.electronicsforless.ca/sv...ofer-3884.html

On the other hand, if you buy the Polks from Best Buy you can easily take them back if you don't like them.
5 nht ordered via amazon comes up to about 1700 because of my location, don't qualify for prime

Crutchfield comes to 2000 with the Polk... The reviews for the Polks seem fairly good but you feel that 5 NHTs are truly superior?
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5 nht ordered via amazon comes up to about 1700 because of my location, don't qualify for prime

Crutchfield comes to 2000 with the Polk... The reviews for the Polks seem fairly good but you feel that 5 NHTs are truly superior?
Wow, you must be off mainland Canada then...Nova Scotia?

While the Polk might be passable for HT, if you do music listening at all, the NHT would be a much safer choice. The main selling point of the Polks is WAF/cosmetics, especially the slimline center, and a somewhat more known brand name...NHT as a brand is not as widely known outside of audio enthusiast circles. In a nutshell, Polk is aimed at a mainstream consumer audience (hence the emphasis on pretty cabinets even at entry level pricepoints) while NHT is aimed at audio enthusiasts.

And if the 300 CAD savings for the NHT allows you to get that SVS sub, it will be doubly worth it.

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