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Smile 3.1 for 750$? 1250$ with AV Receiver.

Hi all!


I am new to this, and after reading a lot in this forum, I thought it was better to directly ask my own question.


I am looking for a 3.1 system for a no dedicated room (No space for rear speakers, I will think about them in the future).
My budget is 1250$. My living room is 12'x19' including the kitchen. The area for the speakers is then 12'x12'.


At the moment my budget is divided on:
  • 500$ for the AV receiver Denon X2300W. Might be a lot taking into account my budget, but I did not see any other with two outputs (TV and projector) on a lower price.
  • 300$ for the Emotiva BasX Sub10
  • 450$ for center and front speakers. Here I am completely lost and I ask for your recommendations.
I could go a bit higher on the budget if the difference is substantial. The problem is, the more I read, the more money I will be spending


Thank you very much!
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Hi all!


I am new to this, and after reading a lot in this forum, I thought it was better to directly ask my own question.


I am looking for a 3.1 system for a no dedicated room (No space for rear speakers, I will think about them in the future).
My budget is 1250$. My living room is 12'x19' including the kitchen. The area for the speakers is then 12'x12'.


At the moment my budget is divided on:
  • 500$ for the AV receiver Denon X2300W. Might be a lot taking into account my budget, but I did not see any other with two outputs (TV and projector) on a lower price.
  • 300$ for the Emotiva BasX Sub10
  • 450$ for center and front speakers. Here I am completely lost and I ask for your recommendations.
I could go a bit higher on the budget if the difference is substantial. The problem is, the more I read, the more money I will be spending


Thank you very much!
I agree that the Emotiva is a good option as far as subs go. For $500, you can get a refurb Denon AVR-X3300 instead which is a step up both in features and /or power. As far as speakers go, I would opt for the Chanes here:


https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/a-series-speakers/A1.4


https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/a-series-speakers/A2.4


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The Chane A1.4's coupled with the A2.4 center would be stellar! Especially, also having a 10" BasX sub. The X3300 also can EQ dual subs should you decide to add another down the road. Also, the X3300 has a better version of Audyssey. This would make for a very nice setup inmho! I know that the Chanes are bit more than the OP budgeted, but it would be so worth it and it really is not that much more. Best wishes to the OP!


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BTW, the OP may can find some B-stock deals on the said Chanes A1.4/A2.4 Center. Just saying...........

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At the moment I'd say consider the JBL Studio 580s at $259 each, figure out the rest later. I'd go cheaper with the AVR... you can save $100 going refurb with it, if you must have that exact model.
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I would spend more on the sub and less on the receiver. I'd go with the $400 Emotiva S12 at minimum, and move up to the Hsu VTF-2 ($604 shipped) if at all possible.

If your main priority with the receiver is it having 2 HDMI outputs for your PJ as well as TV, accessories4less will have plenty of choices in the $200-300 range...they are currently adding an extra 20% off the Integra receivers in-cart, these are where I'd look first. Integra is the premium line of Onkyo, like Lexus is for Toyota.

For the front 3, if your usage is mostly HT/TV not music I would look at the JBL B17 with C25 center from Amazon, for $250 shipped all told. Or get two pairs of QA 2020i for $320 shipped, using the 3rd one as your center.

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I would spend more on the sub and less on the receiver. I'd go with the $400 Emotiva S12 at minimum, and move up to the Hsu VTF-2 ($604 shipped) if at all possible.

If your main priority with the receiver is it having 2 HDMI outputs for your PJ as well as TV, accessories4less will have plenty of choices in the $200-300 range...they are currently adding an extra 20% off the Integra receivers in-cart, these are where I'd look first. Integra is the premium line of Onkyo, like Lexus is for Toyota.

For the front 3, if your usage is mostly HT/TV not music I would look at the JBL B17 with C25 center from Amazon, for $250 shipped all told. Or get two pairs of QA 2020i for $320 shipped, using the 3rd one as your center.
The only reason for the AV was that I read that on entry level Denon was better than other brands. Do you have a recommendation for a receiver around $300 with two outputs? Integra DTR-40.3 maybe?

You also say spend more on the sub. Would not be better to spend a bit more on the speakers Chane1.4 and Chane 2.4 and stay with the Emotiva S10 sub?
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Go a little higher for the JBL Studio 2 series

JBL Studio 230
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-23.../dp/B00GJXSWZW

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I agree that the Emotiva is a good option as far as subs go. For $500, you can get a refurb Denon AVR-X3300 instead which is a step up both in features and /or power. As far as speakers go, I would opt for the Chanes here:



The Chane A1.4's coupled with the A2.4 center would be stellar! Especially, also having a 10" BasX sub. The X3300 also can EQ dual subs should you decide to add another down the road. Also, the X3300 has a better version of Audyssey. This would make for a very nice setup inmho! I know that the Chanes are bit more than the OP budgeted, but it would be so worth it and it really is not that much more. Best wishes to the OP!


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Go a little higher for the JBL Studio 2 series

JBL Studio 230

JBL Studio 235
Thanks for your answers.

Both your speakers suggestions are more or less on the same price range. I am reading on reviews that the Chanes might be a bit better?
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Thanks for your answers.

Both your speakers suggestions are more or less on the same price range. I am reading on reviews that the Chanes might be a bit better?
My post meant to go above the $450, and above the Arena series -- Chane and the Studio 2 are good options -- it is your call on which one
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Thanks for your answers.

Both your speakers suggestions are more or less on the same price range. I am reading on reviews that the Chanes might be a bit better?
Honestly, I have not owned the A1.4's. But, I did own (3) of the A2.4's and I can tell you first hand that they produced the most cohesive sound that I have ever experienced. Was totally blown away. Do think that you would be well served with the A1.4's and a A2.4 center. Couple them with the BasX10 or even the BasX12 and you will have one rocking setup.

Keep in mind that the Denon X3300 will have Audyssey Multi EQ XT32 w/Sub EQ HT. That is rather significant in that it can EQ two subs independently. Provided that you eventually end up with dual subs down the road. Check to see if Jon Lane albeit Chane has any B-stocks available. Might as well save some money. In fact, he might can make you a deal on (3) A2.4's across the front! Just saying..............best wishes!


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The only reason for the AV was that I read that on entry level Denon was better than other brands. Do you have a recommendation for a receiver around $300 with two outputs? Integra DTR-40.3 maybe?

You also say spend more on the sub. Would not be better to spend a bit more on the speakers Chane1.4 and Chane 2.4 and stay with the Emotiva S10 sub?
Yes, the 40.3 or even the 30.4 at $300 ($250 shipped after discount).

If you are sure you will one day have dual subs and want to be able to EQ them using Audyssey XT32, there's the 50.4 at $500 ($410 shipped after discount).

If your usage is all HT/TV/gaming with no critical music listening, the JBL B17/C25 setup would probably be fine, and a $600 Hsu VTF-2 over the S10 would be worth it IMO. If you do go with the Chanes I'd still spend the extra $100 to get the $400 Emotiva S12 over the S10 though.
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Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
HSU VTF-2 $600
Craigslist reciever + HDMI splitter $100


That's how you should be prioritizing. You can always upgrade the reciever later, and easily sell it for what you paid.
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The only reason for the AV was that I read that on entry level Denon was better than other brands. Do you have a recommendation for a receiver around $300 with two outputs? Integra DTR-40.3 maybe?

You also say spend more on the sub. Would not be better to spend a bit more on the speakers Chane1.4 and Chane 2.4 and stay with the Emotiva S10 sub?
I've got the DTR 40.3 from A4L, has worked very good in the couple months I owned it.

@Zorba922 and @audiofreak38 are steering you in right direction, spend most of your budget on 1. Sub 2. Speakers 3. AVR
In that order

JBL 230 good choice if you doing more HT than music

CHane's better all around speaker that really doesn't have any performance weaknesses for the most part, works very well in HT and music.
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Hi all!


I am new to this, and after reading a lot in this forum, I thought it was better to directly ask my own question.


I am looking for a 3.1 system for a no dedicated room (No space for rear speakers, I will think about them in the future).
My budget is 1250$. My living room is 12'x19' including the kitchen. The area for the speakers is then 12'x12'.


At the moment my budget is divided on:
  • 500$ for the AV receiver Denon X2300W. Might be a lot taking into account my budget, but I did not see any other with two outputs (TV and projector) on a lower price.
  • 300$ for the Emotiva BasX Sub10
  • 450$ for center and front speakers. Here I am completely lost and I ask for your recommendations.
I could go a bit higher on the budget if the difference is substantial. The problem is, the more I read, the more money I will be spending


Thank you very much!
I think spending more on your AVR than speakers or sub(s) is doing it wrong. I mean obviously the 3300 is a good receiver but the extra $150 over the 1300 wont make a $850 3.1 sound any better. than a $1k receiver.

edit: i jusy realized the original post was for the 2300. I'd say that is an unwise decision. Either get the 1300 or the 3300, where the 3300 will shine with multiple subs (that you don't have in the budget).

Ultimately I'd say the best bang for the buck is about 300 for the receiver, 500 for a sub and 750 for LCR, just for reference. Also the best way to stretch your dollar is to buy slightly used gear.

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Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
HSU VTF-2 $600
Craigslist reciever + HDMI splitter $100


That's how you should be prioritizing. You can always upgrade the reciever later, and easily sell it for what you paid.
This will produce a substantially better sound than your original allocated funds to the different components.

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I've got the DTR 40.3 from A4L, has worked very good in the couple months I owned it.
Wait, I thought you have the 50.3?

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Wait, I thought you have the 50.3?
I betting that's his sons AVR.





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Yes, the 40.3 or even the 30.4 at $300 ($250 shipped after discount).

If you are sure you will one day have dual subs and want to be able to EQ them using Audyssey XT32, there's the 50.4 at $500 ($410 shipped after discount).

If your usage is all HT/TV/gaming with no critical music listening, the JBL B17/C25 setup would probably be fine, and a $600 Hsu VTF-2 over the S10 would be worth it IMO. If you do go with the Chanes I'd still spend the extra $100 to get the $400 Emotiva S12 over the S10 though.
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Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
HSU VTF-2 $600
Craigslist reciever + HDMI splitter $100


That's how you should be prioritizing. You can always upgrade the reciever later, and easily sell it for what you paid.
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Honestly, I have not owned the A1.4's. But, I did own (3) of the A2.4's and I can tell you first hand that they produced the most cohesive sound that I have ever experienced. Was totally blown away. Do think that you would be well served with the A1.4's and a A2.4 center. Couple them with the BasX10 or even the BasX12 and you will have one rocking setup.

Keep in mind that the Denon X3300 will have Audyssey Multi EQ XT32 w/Sub EQ HT. That is rather significant in that it can EQ two subs independently. Provided that you eventually end up with dual subs down the road. Check to see if Jon Lane albeit Chane has any B-stocks available. Might as well save some money. In fact, he might can make you a deal on (3) A2.4's across the front! Just saying..............best wishes!


Cheers,

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I think spending more on your AVR than speakers or sub(s) is doing it wrong. I mean obviously the 3300 is a good receiver but the extra $150 over the 1300 wont make a $850 3.1 sound any better. than a $1k receiver.

edit: i jusy realized the original post was for the 2300. I'd say that is an unwise decision. Either get the 1300 or the 3300, where the 3300 will shine with multiple subs (that you don't have in the budget).

Ultimately I'd say the best bang for the buck is about 300 for the receiver, 500 for a sub and 750 for LCR, just for reference. Also the best way to stretch your dollar is to buy slightly used gear.


Thank you very much guys!


I was not expecting to spend so much on the sub, but I am the noob here so I will finally go for the Hsu VTF-2.


Also, I spoke with A4L and the AVR are all 110V. I will go back to Europe in around 1 year so I will need to sell the AV before I go. I think I will get the Denon AVR-S530BT for $200 and then a HDMI splitter.
It is a new model so I think it will be easier to sell it. Also, I want Bluetooth which the Integra don't have. Unless of course you think of something else?


I just have another noob question. Is the 70W enough for the speakers? the A2.4 says 20W-200W recommended.


So finally the system would be:
  • Denon AVR-S530BT $200
  • Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
  • Hsu VTF-2 $600
Total $1400 which is not so far from the original budget. (Knowing that writing here usually doubles the original budget )


Of course I am open to any other suggestion.


I really appreciate your help!!
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Whether 70w is enough depends on multiple factors.

How loud do you like to listen?

How far will you sit from the front soundstage?

Will your sub go up front near your TV? If so, you can get away with a higher crossover (say, 120hz instead of 80hz), thereby removing more of the burden from your AVR, giving you more clean headroom.
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Thank you very much guys!


I was not expecting to spend so much on the sub, but I am the noob here so I will finally go for the Hsu VTF-2.


Also, I spoke with A4L and the AVR are all 110V. I will go back to Europe in around 1 year so I will need to sell the AV before I go. I think I will get the Denon AVR-S530BT for $200 and then a HDMI splitter.
It is a new model so I think it will be easier to sell it. Also, I want Bluetooth which the Integra don't have. Unless of course you think of something else?


I just have another noob question. Is the 70W enough for the speakers? the A2.4 says 20W-200W recommended.


So finally the system would be:
  • Denon AVR-S530BT $200
  • Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
  • Hsu VTF-2 $600
Total $1400 which is not so far from the original budget. (Knowing that writing here usually doubles the original budget )


Of course I am open to any other suggestion.


I really appreciate your help!!
Normally I would suggest the denon 1300x bu moving to europe makes for an odd situation.

You will be very glad you got a better sub.

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Thank you very much guys!

So finally the system would be:
  • Denon AVR-S530BT $200
  • Chane a1.4 + a2.4 $600
  • Hsu VTF-2 $600
Total $1400 which is not so far from the original budget. (Knowing that writing here usually doubles the original budget )


Of course I am open to any other suggestion.


I really appreciate your help!!
You might want to ask HSU about using their sub in Europe with a voltage converter.

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