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You're overthinking this too much. Find a center in your price range with free shipping and order it. Try it and see how it works for you! And yes, run your room calibration with each center you try.


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How do you compare center speakers? Same movie scene over and over? Not even sure what would be a good test.
Scenes where dialogue is mixed in with loud sounds. I like to use the opening battle scene from "Gladiator" where Russell Crowe is leading his army into battle, shouting out to them over all the battle sounds cacophony.

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Ah some bad news, Chane just let me know that even though I placed the order, the A2.4 is actually sold out and won't be back until later this year (in a slightly improved version) Back to the drawing table. Not sure whether I should wait for it or get one of my other 2 choices: the Aperion or SVS Prime.
Remind me as I don't want to go through the entire thread again why the Klipsch RP with easy returns at Best Buy was not on your list?

They have been as well received on AVS as Chane and have the same "play loud and clear without fatigue" reputation.

IIRC only one AVS member found them too bright for their liking.

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Remind me as I don't want to go through the entire thread again why the Klipsch RP with easy returns at Best Buy was not on your list?

They have been as well received on AVS as Chane and have the same "play loud and clear without fatigue" reputation.

IIRC only one AVS member found them too bright for their liking.
Whenever I listened to Klipsch in the past I found them "high pitched", I guess the correct term is bright? But I have not listened to the RP.
Which exact model do you have in mind around the $250 price point?
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Whenever I listened to Klipsch in the past I found them "high pitched", I guess the correct term is bright? But I have not listened to the RP.
Which exact model do you have in mind around the $250 price point?
The cheapest are the RP150s which will still play very loud and clear and share the same tweeter with the whole line.

$336/pair, (same price as Chane 1.4), but that is the Crutchfield price at the moment which Best Buy will match, (they have them at $420).

Two color choices.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP1...0M-Cherry.html

I think the $295 RP250c is their best center by the way as Bill Fitzmaurice pointed out the larger RP centers with multiple woofers actually create more issues than they solve with speaker cone interaction/cancellation.

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The cheapest are the RP150s which will still play very loud and clear and share the same tweeter with the whole line.

$336/pair, (same price as Chane 1.4), but that is the Crutchfield price at the moment which Best Buy will match, (they have them at $420).

Two color choices.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP1...0M-Cherry.html

I think the $295 RP250c is their best center by the way as Bill Fitzmaurice pointed out the larger RP centers with multiple woofers actually create more issues than they solve with speaker cone interaction/cancellation.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP2...ry.html?tp=189
I gave up on bookshelves as a center, I'll go with a proper center speaker. So the RP lineup is considered better than RC?
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I gave up on bookshelves as a center, I'll go with a proper center speaker. So the RP lineup is considered better than RC?
I would buy this today and call it a day -- JBL Studio 520 center -- a flash sale -- and it will not be a wimp
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I gave up on bookshelves as a center, I'll go with a proper center speaker. So the RP lineup is considered better than RC?
RC???

Or do you mean the Klipsch RF series which the RPs replaced?

http://www.klipsch.com/blog/klipsch-...ce-ii-speakers

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RC???

Or do you mean the Klipsch RF series which the RPs replaced?

http://www.klipsch.com/blog/klipsch-...ce-ii-speakers
Klipsch RC-62 II seems to go on special at Fry's for $150 often. Something worth considering?
http://www.klipsch.com/products/rc-62-ii-center-speaker
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Klipsch RC-62 II seems to go on special at Fry's for $150 often. Something worth considering?
http://www.klipsch.com/products/rc-62-ii-center-speaker
Not a current speaker on their website so I'm guessing it's an older model that has zero of the advances of the RP series which has given Klipsch a much wider audience as not being fatiguing as prior series were found to be.

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Klipsch RC-62 II seems to go on special at Fry's for $150 often. Something worth considering?
http://www.klipsch.com/products/rc-62-ii-center-speaker
I would go with the JBL Studio 520, or the Klipsch RP series over the Klipsch RC

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Not a current speaker on their website so I'm guessing it's an older model that has zero of the advances of the RP series which has given Klipsch a much wider audience as not being fatiguing as prior series were found to be.
It's listed here as a current speaker:
http://www.klipsch.com/center-speaker
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I would go with the JBL Studio 520, or the Klipsch RP series over the Klipsch RC
For now I will just play with some speakers until the Chane A2.4+ is out (I think that's what it may be called, according to Jon it's a newer revision of the A2.4). I was offered a discount for the order fiasco so it may be worth waiting a couple of months to hear the Chane sound signature.

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It's listed here as a current speaker:
http://www.klipsch.com/center-speaker
Klipsch is so weird; the RC center speakers are the Reference II center channel speakers for their RF speakers which are now called RB series.

They are all inferior to the RP.

I personally would think the RP would be a Chane competitor while the Reference IIs, no matter the letters associated with them, are not.

If you want to spend less than RP or Chane money I'd look at other brands, not cheaper Klipsch.
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It's listed here as a current speaker:
http://www.klipsch.com/center-speaker
Actually, as we are just talking the center channel, if you can return it easily, sure, give it a shot.

I got a bit confused there thinking you were buying a whole system not just a center.

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For now I will just play with some speakers until the Chane A2.5 is out (I think that's what it may be called, according to Jon it's a newer revision of the A2.4). I was offered a discount for the order fiasco so it may be worth waiting a couple of months to hear the Chane sound signature.
As long as you have the patience -- if you want to toy a little, this JBL is nice and free shipping -- then when you buy the Chane, sell the JBL
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As long as you have the patience -- if you want to toy a little, this JBL is nice and free shipping -- then when you buy the Chane, sell the JBL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-CL505-CE...kAAOSwSlBY2xvU
Not looking to start buying and selling speakers, just a couple that can be auditioned hassle free. I know what that did to me in other hobbies. Plus that particular one looks a bit beat up at the corners.
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Nothing under $200 is gonna be better than his ProCenter 1000. Unless it's a $300-$400 center on sale.


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Not looking to start buying and selling speakers. I know what that did to me in other hobbies. Plus that particular one looks a bit beat up at the corners.
Then may your patience endure. One could always touch up the corner -- that was just a simple option suggestion -- I tried to stop buying speakers a while back, however I am over 103 sets -- maybe I can slow down soon.

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Nothing under $200 is gonna be better than his ProCenter 1000. Unless it's a $300-$400 center on sale.
I think a discounted Chane will be hard to beat, no problem waiting a bit more. I've lived with the PC1000 for 10 yrs, what's another couple of months? Plus with the free trials, it doesn't even have to be the PC1000 for the next couple of months.
I may pick up the SVS Prime at BB this weekend if they still have it because I have to set up the TV and AVR this weekend so I'm redoing wiring anyway. Time to put some banana plugs on the center wires (I normally like to screw wires into the speakers directly and use banana plugs on the AVR side only otherwise it's painful to hook them up to the receiver).
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I think a discounted Chane will be hard to beat, no problem waiting a bit more. I've lived with the PC1000 for 10 yrs, what's another couple of months? Plus with the free trials, it doesn't even have to be the PC1000 for the next couple of months.

I may pick up the SVS Prime at BB this weekend if they still have it because I have to set up the TV and AVR this weekend so I'm redoing wiring anyway. Time to put some banana plugs on the center wires (I normally like to screw wires into the speakers directly and use banana plugs on the AVR side only otherwise it's painful to hook them up to the receiver).


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Nice and clean setup! Yes, that's exactly the silverbacks I have too, I'll put a couple on the center wire.
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Not that he's even looking at the $200 or less target, but I think he probably could find something better than the PC1000 at that price range if he wanted.

I'd expect the RSL CG23 at $200 to beat it. Or a SM45/55 (which isn't a center, but in this case could make due as one).

I'd think a simple trial with something should suffice for now. PC1000 isn't that difficult to beat... it suffers from typical small speaker-itis.
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I think the $295 RP250c is their best center by the way as Bill Fitzmaurice pointed out the larger RP centers with multiple woofers actually create more issues than they solve with speaker cone interaction/cancellation.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP2...ry.html?tp=189
Adorama just had a deal on the RP250c, $169. Sold out quickly, many must have waited for such a deal. I was on the fence whether to order one. Did not.

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Adorama just had a deal on the RP250c, $169. Sold out quickly, many must have waited for such a deal. I was on the fence whether to order one. Did not.
That IS a great price for the RP250!

I would email Emotiva and ask if they have any "B-stock" C1s for less than the $249 regular price.

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I would email Emotiva and ask if they have any "B-stock" C1s for less than the $249 regular price.
I called them, you get 10% off on an open-box but it *may* have some blemishes. Doesn't sound like it's worth the gamble on an open-box to save $25, in particular when you want to keep the speaker for many years.
The 4 ohms rating still worries me, not sure why, everyone says it should work fine.
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I called them, you get 10% off on an open-box but it *may* have some blemishes. Doesn't sound like it's worth the gamble on an open-box to save $25, in particular when you want to keep the speaker for many years.
Guess that depends on how picky you are. My I-12 sub has two 1/2-3/4" blemishes on the bottom front, but you have to stand about 2ft away and actually look for them, they don't jump out at you or anything. Mechanically it works flawlessly, sounds great.

I agree that $25 isn't a whole lot of money though. Since Chane has sold out of the A2.4 it seems that the C1 is your best option in that range, unless you want to try out the $200 Aperion 5C with free return shipping.

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Ah the I-12. I "need" one of those to go with my EMPs
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I'd stick to an 8 ohm speaker.. but that's just me.


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For the price point and it's size the PC1000 is not a bad center. But, 5.25" or bigger drivers are hard to beat.



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