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5.1/5.1.2 recommendations for a 13 ft X 13 ft living room

Hello all,

Long time lurker here but haven't posted much. I used to have a pretty solid setup back in the day with a Denon AVR-1911 and a Jamo 5.1 setup. But due to some reasons I had to sell everything. Since then, I moved houses and I am currently looking to build my DIY setup. I have a 13 ft X 13 ft living room where I watch my TV. I don't have walls on all 4 sides. One side of the room leads to the dining area. So I have to put the rears on the back of the couch.

Can you recommend a 5.1 setup? Does Atmos matter in real world? If so, can you recommend a 5.1.2 setup? My budget is around $3000 max. including wiring, receiver and everything. I may have to do some magic to hide the wiring but I will take care of it.

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Add $27 for 14 pairs of Sewell Strike Banana Plugs
Great call. I just got turned in to Sewell Deadbolts. Man, oh man, Sewell banana plugs are the bees knees. I did not realize how bad all my other banana plugs sucked until I got these.
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Great call. I just got turned in to Sewell Deadbolts. Man, oh man, Sewell banana plugs are the bees knees. I did not realize how bad all my other banana plugs sucked until I got these.
I have Deadbolts......I wish I knew about Strikes earlier.
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Hello all,

I don't have walls on all 4 sides. One side of the room leads to the dining area. So I have to put the rears on the back of the couch.
Got pics or a diagram? I generally think of "rears" as speakers 6 & 7, speakers 4 & 5 usually go to the sides just behind the listener.

Here's a chart for 5.1.2, can you get close to this positioning?

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/do...-2-setups.html

And if you can get 2 overheads, can you get 4? 5.1.4 is awesome (IMO) if you can get the speakers in the right spot.
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I have Deadbolts......I wish I knew about Strikes earlier.
They are even better? Wow. I have a whole dedicated room to populate still, I'll keep the strikes in mind. BTW, what is better about them?
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They are even better? Wow. I have a whole dedicated room to populate still, I'll keep the strikes in mind. BTW, what is better about them?
Go to the Sewell website and compare the specs of both plugs. I think you can judge for yourself which one seems to be better. For me, it's the Strike, hands down for the V-Cone and the smaller size.
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Go to the Sewell website and compare the specs of both plugs. I think you can judge for yourself which one seems to be better. For me, it's the Strike, hands down for the V-Cone and the smaller size.
Ok, I'm sold, these look awesome.

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Hello all,

Long time lurker here but haven't posted much. I used to have a pretty solid setup back in the day with a Denon AVR-1911 and a Jamo 5.1 setup. But due to some reasons I had to sell everything. Since then, I moved houses and I am currently looking to build my DIY setup. I have a 13 ft X 13 ft living room where I watch my TV. I don't have walls on all 4 sides. One side of the room leads to the dining area. So I have to put the rears on the back of the couch.

Can you recommend a 5.1 setup? Does Atmos matter in real world? If so, can you recommend a 5.1.2 setup? My budget is around $3000 max. including wiring, receiver and everything. I may have to do some magic to hide the wiring but I will take care of it.

Thanks.
This is all you really need in a room that size.
HSU Hybrid 2 5.1 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
Denon AVR-X3300
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html
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This is all you really need in a room that size.
HSU Hybrid 2 5.1 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
Denon AVR-X3300
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html
Or Hybrid 3.
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This is all you really need in a room that size.
HSU Hybrid 2 5.1 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
Denon AVR-X3300
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html
What about Atmos speakers?
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OP, how picky / critical are your ears?
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Those do look awesome! Getting those next time.

OP, I agree with the suggestions of looking at the Klipsch RP line or HSU. Both should suit you very well.

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What about Atmos speakers?
Depends on what his intensions are and his room layout. Is he looking for in ceiling speakers? Maybe some up firing modules or front height channels? The OP will need to provide some information before recommendations can be made.

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Hello all,

Long time lurker here but haven't posted much. I used to have a pretty solid setup back in the day with a Denon AVR-1911 and a Jamo 5.1 setup. But due to some reasons I had to sell everything. Since then, I moved houses and I am currently looking to build my DIY setup. I have a 13 ft X 13 ft living room where I watch my TV. I don't have walls on all 4 sides. One side of the room leads to the dining area. So I have to put the rears on the back of the couch.

Can you recommend a 5.1 setup? Does Atmos matter in real world? If so, can you recommend a 5.1.2 setup? My budget is around $3000 max. including wiring, receiver and everything. I may have to do some magic to hide the wiring but I will take care of it.

Thanks.
I'd start by auditioning some Klipsch RP bookshelves from Best Buy with their easy returns and if happy, fill out from there.

Denon 3300 is currently a great value and it will EQ your sub(s).

Might want to consider two subs for your space as it is small but wide open.

You can always add Klipsch Atmos upfiring or wall mounted speakers later to try Atmos and simply return them if not impressed.

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Got pics or a diagram? I generally think of "rears" as speakers 6 & 7, speakers 4 & 5 usually go to the sides just behind the listener.

Here's a chart for 5.1.2, can you get close to this positioning?

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/do...-2-setups.html

And if you can get 2 overheads, can you get 4? 5.1.4 is awesome (IMO) if you can get the speakers in the right spot.

This kills me too. So many people call the side surrounds "rears". To me that creates confusion. Someone tells me they have "rears" and I assume they got 7.1 but more often than not they mean 5.1, lol

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Hi all,

Great suggestions so far. Here is the config of the room. Image attached. This is an approximation but you get the idea. The only solid wall I have is the back of the couch and back of the TV.
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OP, how picky / critical are your ears?
I still hear all the frequencies in the audible spectrum, if that's what you mean. Also, I am picky in the sense that I don't like if music overpowers voice while watching a movie. I like bass but not rattling bass.
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Depends on what his intensions are and his room layout. Is he looking for in ceiling speakers? Maybe some up firing modules or front height channels? The OP will need to provide some information before recommendations can be made.
I don't want to install in-ceiling speakers.
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This is all you really need in a room that size.
HSU Hybrid 2 5.1 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
Denon AVR-X3300
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html
I haven't heard about HSU before. I will check them out.
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Got pics or a diagram? I generally think of "rears" as speakers 6 & 7, speakers 4 & 5 usually go to the sides just behind the listener.

Here's a chart for 5.1.2, can you get close to this positioning?

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/do...-2-setups.html

And if you can get 2 overheads, can you get 4? 5.1.4 is awesome (IMO) if you can get the speakers in the right spot.

I have attached the layout of the room. I looked at the Atmos diagram you provided and I think I can get to the 1st configuration pretty easily.
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I still hear all the frequencies in the audible spectrum, if that's what you mean. Also, I am picky in the sense that I don't like if music overpowers voice while watching a movie. I like bass but not rattling bass.
Do you require very critical speakers within your budget that pick out every detail or do you just want some relaxing speakers that have a decent sound?
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I have attached the layout of the room. I looked at the Atmos diagram you provided and I think I can get to the 1st configuration pretty easily.
Are you going to use overheads, heights or upfiring?
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Do you require very critical speakers within your budget that pick out every detail or do you just want some relaxing speakers that have a decent sound?
Ah. The speakers that pick out the detail are what I prefer. But, I am not sure if I can get those in my budget.
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Ah. The speakers that pick out the detail are what I prefer. But, I am not sure if I can get those in my budget.
You can get that from the kit I put together for you earlier.
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Are you going to use overheads, heights or upfiring?
Overheads as in actual overhead speakers hooked to the ceiling? No. I believe you asked this question for Atmos? If so, I am not sure how much actual difference would Atmos makes. Are upfiring reflective speakers enough?
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Overheads as in actual overhead speakers hooked to the ceiling? No. I believe you asked this question for Atmos? If so, I am not sure how much actual difference would Atmos makes. Are upfiring reflective speakers enough?
You can get away with upfiring, that's what I currently use.

If you don't want to do overheads, you can try using height speakers. How high up on the wall can you mount speakers?
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You can get away with upfiring, that's what I currently use.

If you don't want to do overheads, you can try using height speakers. How high up on the wall can you mount speakers?

About 10ft high.
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About 10ft high.
That's plenty high. Replace the Klipsch pair in my kit with another pair of A1.4's and use 1 set of A1.4's as side surrounds and 1 set of A1.4's as front height speakers for Atmos.
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That's plenty high. Replace the Klipsch pair in my kit with another pair of A1.4's and use 1 set of A1.4's as side surrounds and 1 set of A1.4's as front height speakers for Atmos.
Got it. Will take a look. Thanks.
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