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Need help! 1st surround sound

Hello everyone,
I'm looking for a 7.1 theater system for my garage. I want something that is loud and clear since It will be mostly use for sports and some movies. I'm looking for something that won't break my bank account since I just purchased a projector and screen. Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.

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Hello everyone,
I'm looking for a 7.1 theater system for my garage. I want something that is loud and clear since It will be mostly use for sports and some movies. I'm looking for something that won't break my bank account since I just purchased a projector and screen. Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.

Thanks

when you say "Home theater system" what exactly do you mean?


Speakers, receiver, subwoofer?


Is this for 5.1, 7.1, Atmos?


At your budget, I will assume you are only going for 5.1 and are thinking of a Home Theater in a Box type setup. There is a forum for that, and you could inquire in there..


However if you are looking for a full blown (but basic) HT setup, you are going to need to double your budget, at the very least.

$230 for a barebones 5.1 receiver like the Onkyo TX SR-373
https://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR37...ords=receivers


$175 for a barebones subwoofer like the BIC F-12
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F...ywords=BIC+F12


$260 for a (2)pair of Pioneer AJ BS22 (Fronts and Surrounds)
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS...speakers&psc=1


$100 for the Pioneer C22 center
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C2...CJYAR2YVHQTJE4


The above is a very basic system that will get you by for a total of $765. That's about the lowest you can get away with without going HTiB. Maybe you can cut $100 from that total, but you will likely be sacrificing something to do so.


You can also look on the used market to get similar components for a lower price and possibly hit the $500-$600 range.

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Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.
If $400 max includes the receiver then you're stuck with something like this:
https://www.parts-express.com/cat/ho...ker-systems/93

The smarter thing to do would be to start with a receiver, a good center speaker, and a decent subwoofer. (around $600)

Then when budget allows, add the front L/R speakers ($60-160), then add a pair of surrounds ($40-60).

Almost all content is native 5.1 so the extra 2 surrounds for 7.1 you can easily do without, esp. if on a tight budget.
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking for a 7.1 theater system for my garage. I want something that is loud and clear since It will be mostly use for sports and some movies. I'm looking for something that won't break my bank account since I just purchased a projector and screen. Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.

Thanks
With that budget, you may want to start by taking a look at the used market (craigslist) or list your CL area here for others to look at. If you want 7.1 at under $400, either you go used, or go with very entry level speakers.

Although if you wait... maybe it could sort of be managed when I think of it...

If you already own an AVR, I guess you could wait for Sony Cores to go on sale again. Three sets of Cores ($300ish on sale) + $100 yamaha sub... it's doable for 6.1. It requires you to own the AVR already however, and to skimp on the subwoofer.

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I'm looking for a 7.1 theater system for my garage. I want something that is loud and clear since It will be mostly use for sports and some movies. I'm looking for something that won't break my bank account since I just purchased a projector and screen. Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.

Thanks
An HTIB will not get that loud and will not sound that great. The subs that come with those couldn't even qualify as a sub. You may want to consider building up the system slowly.
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For mostly sports, you might want to start with the 3 front speakers and maybe a sub. The field is in front of you, and you probably don't care much about the fans behind you
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Budget probably 300 to 400 range
Per speaker or for the total system?? Lol...

If it's for the whole system, I'd start checking Craigslist. You'll get a better system for the money than buying a new Home Theater in a Box. $400 won't get you anything close to "clear and loud" if you buy new.

Edit: As others have said, you should either increase your budget now, or start with the important components and build your system slowly over time.

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I'm looking for a 7.1 theater system for my garage. I want something that is loud and clear since It will be mostly use for sports and some movies. I'm looking for something that won't break my bank account since I just purchased a projector and screen. Budget probably 300 to 400 range if that's possible and I would like to mount each speaker. I'm not sure where to start so any help would be useful.

Thanks
Agree with Zorba, with that kind of money just add a pair of additional speakers for 7.1.

https://www.parts-express.com/b652-a...oofer--300-697

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I'm talking about the receiver, speakers, and sub. Well I was thinking of 7.1 system bc my garage is big. If I only start with a the front and center speakers and the sub, will that be loud and clear enough for a big garage? It's probably like 25x15. Will a 5.1 system work fine for that size and playing mostly sports?
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Also, can all speakers be mounted on the wall? I'm talking about the tower speakers. If I decide to do a 3.1 setup for now... What should I choose that will give me loud and clear and allow me to add 2 or 4 more speakers later on?
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For a little over $400, this would be your best bet.
JBL Arena B15
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Bookshelf...ords=jbl+arena
Denon AVR-S710W
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ceivers/1.html
If your budget is flexible, this JBL SUB
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-55...words=jbl+550p
Add the center and surrounds later or move the B15's to surround duty if you want better mains.
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Definative technology SM 45, sold per speaker so you can get 3 up front which would be most ideal.
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Also, can all speakers be mounted on the wall? I'm talking about the tower speakers. If I decide to do a 3.1 setup for now... What should I choose that will give me loud and clear and allow me to add 2 or 4 more speakers later on?
No, don't mount tower speakers on the wall.

Just get a pair of towers for now and the receiver and fill out to 5.1 later.

May not even need a sub.

The least expensive decent sub later will be around $200.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750444

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750296

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/onkyo-7...?skuId=5017403

EDIT:

Forget the speakers, as those are single prices.

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-653

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eaker--300-453

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I'm talking about the receiver, speakers, and sub. Well I was thinking of 7.1 system bc my garage is big. If I only start with a the front and center speakers and the sub, will that be loud and clear enough for a big garage? It's probably like 25x15. Will a 5.1 system work fine for that size and playing mostly sports?
In most movie surround formats (dolby, dts, etc.) most of the sound comes from the center channel (80% is often tossed around) and only small effects come from the surrounds. Therefore, adding surrounds will not help with the volume of the dialogue.

However, it is a different story if you listen in multi-channel stereo. Then you would have a bar sound system.
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No, don't mount tower speakers on the wall.

Just get a pair of towers for now and the receiver and fill out to 5.1 later.

May not even need a sub.

The least expensive decent sub later will be around $200.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750444

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750296

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/onkyo-7...?skuId=5017403

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Forget the speakers, as those are single prices.

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-653

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eaker--300-453
So which speaker is better the BIC or Dayton? I see that the Dayton center speaker is 25 dollars. Is that one big enough for my garage since the center speaker is basically where the dialogue comes out?
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No, don't mount tower speakers on the wall.

Just get a pair of towers for now and the receiver and fill out to 5.1 later.

May not even need a sub.

The least expensive decent sub later will be around $200.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750444

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bic-ame...?skuId=2750296

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/onkyo-7...?skuId=5017403

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Forget the speakers, as those are single prices.

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-653

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eaker--300-453
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I'm talking about the receiver, speakers, and sub. Well I was thinking of 7.1 system bc my garage is big. If I only start with a the front and center speakers and the sub, will that be loud and clear enough for a big garage? It's probably like 25x15. Will a 5.1 system work fine for that size and playing mostly sports?
In most movie surround formats (dolby, dts, etc.) most of the sound comes from the center channel (80% is often tossed around) and only small effects come from the surrounds. Therefore, adding surrounds will not help with the volume of the dialogue.

However, it is a different story if you listen in multi-channel stereo. Then you would have a bar sound system.
Well it's mostly for sports and some movies and sports are broadcast in 5.1.......i think, so the center speaker will have to be big enough if I don't do multi channel stereo.
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So which speaker is better the BIC or Dayton? I see that the Dayton center speaker is 25 dollars. Is that one big enough for my garage since the center speaker is basically where the dialogue comes out?
Not to knock the daytons, as for the price one can only expect so much. Just don't expect a $25 center speaker to actually fill a large room or sound fantastic.

Again, I'd say look at the used market, or if unsure what is best, list your CL area and hopefully some folks here will recommend something.

$300-$400 and it's possible that you can get a very nice, used, once upon a time 1K+ setup (if you are lucky).

Or a cheap set of new (dayton) surround speakers.

Or a halfway decent pair of speakers in stereo + AVR.

If you want towers, I'd say look at the Sony Core towers, open box at Best Buy for $300, and hunt for a $150ish AVR (or CL used AVR).

Edit: Amazon warehouse also has the same core towers at $153 each ... if past history is anything to go by, their 'like new' description refers to beat up packaging, but speakers themselves should be new.

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So which speaker is better the BIC or Dayton? I see that the Dayton center speaker is 25 dollars. Is that one big enough for my garage since the center speaker is basically where the dialogue comes out?
Between the two, I think the Bic would be a better choice for dialogue clarity.
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I have that one here, got it as a throw-in with my Bic subwoofer deal. To be honest, it's not that good. I guess for the price it's acceptable... although I got it for free basically and still am not crazy about it (it's in my sell pile).

Sort of a mushy sound to it. Dialogue is reasonably clear, just don't expect decent detail.
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So which speaker is better the BIC or Dayton? I see that the Dayton center speaker is 25 dollars. Is that one big enough for my garage since the center speaker is basically where the dialogue comes out?
The size of the space is largely irrelevant when it comes to speakers. The main factor for how loud it will play is the distance to the listening position(s). If you're going to routinely have people at the far end of the garage who want 85dbs then it will be over 100db at around 8ft from the speakers, which is really loud.

So, how far will the seating be from the screen? That will determine what you need to achieve the desired volume.

Also, don't expect miracles with your budget. IMO your best option would be to get a receiver and a good pair of bookshelf speakers that you can mount to the wall, then add a subwoofer and then a center channel down the road when you have the money.
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With your budget you get what you get -- I would for sure take the Bic DV series over Dayton, and the Bic will get loud. For your main interest and budget they can work

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Sort of a mushy sound to it. Dialogue is reasonably clear, just don't expect decent detail.
For his budget and needs it can float his boat -- he doesn't seem to be a nit-picker like some of us would be -- one for sure could do worse

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For his budget and needs it can float his boat -- he doesn't seem to be a nit-picker like some of us would be -- one for sure could do worse
True.

Although if going with new speakers, I kind of like pase's recommendations over the bic/dayton options.

The JBLs w/ sub + cheapo AVR is almost in his budget, and he can always get the matching center later. Go with cheapos as surrounds.

Or the def techs. I think someone here commented that the SM45s were available at $85 each as refurbs (maybe ebay, not sure where). That could work.
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For a little over $400, this would be your best bet.
JBL Arena B15
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Bookshelf...ords=jbl+arena
Denon AVR-S710W
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ceivers/1.html
If your budget is flexible, this JBL SUB
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-55...words=jbl+550p
OP take note -- this is a no-brainer

This would be the center
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True.

Although if going with new speakers, I kind of like pase's recommendations over the bic/dayton options.

The JBLs w/ sub + cheapo AVR is almost in his budget, and he can always get the matching center later. Go with cheapos as surrounds.

Or the def techs. I think someone here commented that the SM45s were available at $85 each as refurbs (maybe ebay, not sure where). That could work.
The Def techs at $85 a piece is an absolute steal! If I was the OP, I'd be all over that deal. Get 3 SM 45's for $255 and figure out the rest later. Worse case he can get a cheapo AVR on CL for $40-50 but may not have audyssey, HDMI and such if going that route.

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The Def techs at $85 a piece is an absolute steal! If I was the OP, I'd be all over that deal. Get 3 SM 45's for $255 and figure out the rest later. Worse case he can get a cheapo AVR on CL for $40-50 but may not have audyssey, HDMI and such if going that route.
That's one reason I recommended he consider CL. On a limited budget, the AVR kind of eats most of it up. Yet it's not that hard sometimes to find a decent $50 AVR on CL (that's what I did.. although I lucked out w/ hdmi + audyssey). But for his setup, I expect almost any AVR would be good enough.

If he could expand that budget to $500 -- 3 SM45s + JBL 550 sub ($445) + hunt for $50-$60 AVR on CL.

Down the road pick up some cheapo surround speakers on CL, and that's a pretty nice setup. Definitely should be better than dayton/bic. And he would have spent the equivalent to what JBL normally just wants for that sub alone (albeit retail is overpriced).

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Have you given any thought to going with a soundbar instead of individual speakers and an AVR? As other have said, $400 will not get you very much in terms of a traditional 5.1 set up plus the AVR that you will need to power the speakers. You can get some decent soundbars with a wireless sub in your price range.

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Have you given any thought to going with a soundbar instead of individual speakers and an AVR? As other have said, $400 will not get you very much in terms of a traditional 5.1 set up plus the AVR that you will need to power the speakers. You can get some decent soundbars with a wireless sub in your price range.

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A stereo setup will beat most soundbars. SM45s ($170) + $150 AVR > soundbar.
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That's one reason I kind of recommended he consider CL. On a limited budget, the AVR kind of eats most of it up. Yet it's not that hard sometimes to find a decent $50 AVR on CL (that's what I did.. although I lucked out w/ hdmi + audyssey). But for his setup, I expect almost any AVR would be good enough.

If he could expand that budget to $500 -- 3 SM45s + JBL 550 sub ($445) + hunt for $50-$60 AVR on CL.

Down the road pick up some cheapo surround speakers on CL, and that's a pretty nice setup. Definitely should be better than dayton/bic. And he would have spent the equivalent to what JBL normally just wants for that sub alone (albeit retail is overpriced).
The previously recommended JBL setup would be a clear step up from Bic/Dayton. The Deftech's are a cut above the JBL's in sound quality IMO. Ultimately it's up to him how good needs to sound.

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I'm talking about the receiver, speakers, and sub. Well I was thinking of 7.1 system bc my garage is big. If I only start with a the front and center speakers and the sub, will that be loud and clear enough for a big garage? It's probably like 25x15. Will a 5.1 system work fine for that size and playing mostly sports?
For watching sports you don't even need surround sound, to be honest.

Hell, you could just get a pair of these and be happy.

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The Def techs at $85 a piece is an absolute steal! If I was the OP, I'd be all over that deal. Get 3 SM 45's for $255 and figure out the rest later. Worse case he can get a cheapo AVR on CL for $40-50 but may not have audyssey, HDMI and such if going that route.
That's one reason I recommended he consider CL. On a limited budget, the AVR kind of eats most of it up. Yet it's not that hard sometimes to find a decent $50 AVR on CL (that's what I did.. although I lucked out w/ hdmi + audyssey). But for his setup, I expect almost any AVR would be good enough.

If he could expand that budget to $500 -- 3 SM45s + JBL 550 sub ($445) + hunt for $50-$60 AVR on CL.

Down the road pick up some cheapo surround speakers on CL, and that's a pretty nice setup. Definitely should be better than dayton/bic. And he would have spent the equivalent to what JBL normally just wants for that sub alone (albeit retail is overpriced).

Where would I find the deal for those speakers for $85? Well I'm just trying to get the best possible speakers at my price point but if I have to spend a little more for a big improvement. I will, just depends how much clearer will the speakers be.
For the person that ask how far I will be sitting. Around 12ft but people will be scattered around the garage to around 20ft or so. I look at some soundbars but IDK how good they will be in my garage
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