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Noob Speaker Purchase Help. Please.

Hi all. Looking to finally get myself some speakers

1) Your budget. Um, 1000 or so for a pair of surrounds and a center and? I don't have to go to BBuy but it's in the hood and I have cash on hand.

2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern. Will 99% be used for movie/TV

3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon. Denon AVR X2200W, PS4 for the rare occasion when we pop a disk in. I'm currently also using a Mythos XTR SSA3 soundbar. I'll be replacing it.

4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice). I'm guessing the room is approximately 18 feet across, and 13 deep. The left side of the room (when facing TV) is open.

5) Any placement restrictions. Surrounds have to go next to the TV on the media cabinet. The floor is open on both sides but I feel floor placement is a cat magnet.

6) Any aesthetic or size concerns. Well, if we can rule out 'ugly' that would be nice.

7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider). No.

8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.) No.
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If it were me, id go to accessories4less.com, and get either the kef q300 for $350, the canton chrono center for $310, get the jbl 550 sub from Amazon for 189, and a pair of deftech studio monitor 45 from best buy for 120. That would be a pretty damn good system in that range, and I'm a little sad that I've bought ridiculous amounts of speakers and read enough (100s of) reviews to be able to pull that off the top of my head.
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The deftech are for surrounds. Also, you could go with canton chrono for the front three for the same cost. If you went without surrounds you could afford the focal aria 905 at a4l which are about 500. Just options. Sub options would be to instead get the jamo j110 for about the same price, it's good too, but I'd probably prefer the jbl. Also there's the emotiva basx 8, which is 200, and would sound the best but probably not as much headroom. Or the basx s10 which would be the best of them but it's 300.
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Thanks looking at everything now.
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Canton Chrono Bookshelf
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

Canton Chrono center
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...r-black/1.html

Sony Core -- for surrounds
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSCS5-3-...core+bookshelf

JBL 550 sub
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ds=jbl+550+sub

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So the bookshelves are doing the rear left/right?
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He's saying Sony cores bookshelves for rear r/l.
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So the bookshelves are doing the rear left/right?
The Chrono bookshelf for the front L/R

The Sony bookshelf for the side/rear surround -- if you want to go 5.1

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Usually front and rear will be bookshelves. The deftech procinema are smaller though, I prefer smaller surrounds that can be wall mounted. You don't need a huge amount of performance from surrounds, so smaller and cheaper is better I find.....to a point.
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You want smaller surrounds -- Canton GX
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Thanks looking at everything now.
So you are looking for 5 speakers and a sub, right?

Can you raise the TV a bit to fit a taller center speaker?

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1) Your budget. Um, 1000 or so for a pair of surrounds and a center and? I don't have to go to BBuy but it's in the hood and I have cash on hand. ...
This part is confusing. First you have a 1000, but a thousand what? Acorns? Dollars? Yen? Pounds? Euros? I think we can assume Dollars, but we don't know for sure unless you tell us.

Next ... a pair of Surrounds and a Center..., so you need a pair of SIDE speakers and a Center? What are your Front Speakers?

If you want to change you system, the Front and Center are the place to start.

At US$1000 for Front and Center, I would say about $700/pr for the Front and about $300 each for the Center speaker.

Are you planning to place the Front Speakers on the TV Cabinet? How are you going to place the Center without blocking part of the Screen?

The simplest thing to do is get a box or a shelf to raise the TV Up so you can slide the Center under it.

Placing the Front Speakers on floorstands would be the best first choice, but short of that, so short stands to raise the speakers up off the TV Stand top.

For the cabinet top stand, something like this would do -



For bookshelf floorstands, there are many to choose from. I would suggest they be about 24" to 28" as that seems very common.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_051NF2...ds-Cherry.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_051NF3...k-lacquer.html

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-3...?skuId=5923888

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-3...?skuId=5678894

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-f...?skuId=2864516

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-s...?skuId=2945477

https://www.parts-express.com/sanus-...lack--240-8806

https://www.parts-express.com/sanus-...black--240-802

Tough dozens of other to choose from.

Given the room, and assuming Front and Center, your budget pretty much dictates Bookshelf speakers in Front.

I would expect very good results from this, and it should keep you well under budget -

Klipsch RP-160 Reference Premier 6.5" speakers - $440/pair -


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708504

Klipsch RP-250C 2x5.25" Center Speaker - $296 each -


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708502

I don't see how you can keep the existing Sound Bar, and add a Center speaker and Surrounds to it. So again, I'm confused about exactly what you want for speakers. I think others are also assuming and recommending Front and Center, so if you could clear that up for us, that would be helpful.

I think the Right choice is Front/Center/Sub, though your budget is a bit lean for that. Then if you want actuall Surround Sound, leave the Surround speakers for later.

Klipsch Reference Premier Bi/Di-Pole 2x4" Surround Speaker - $290 each -

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708527

Klipsch is just one example. There are many others in the same price range to choose from.

Again, I'm confused by the request for ....a pair of Surrounds and a Center.... I'm not sure how that makes sense? But then ... that's just me.

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For 99% movies and TV...........I would suggest 5 of the BIC FH-6`s......approx. 500 bucks.


That leaves a nice chunk for sub, which is super important for movies.


I have 7 FH-6`s in my dedicated room and they do a outstanding job for movies.


I went thru and played with several different speakers in my room for movies and while each one sounded a little different, any of them would have worked. The biggest impact has been stepping up to better subs, it is a huge part of the movie experience.........



I would even suggest you add a 100 or 2 to the left over 500 bucks and get into the 6-7 hundred dollar range on the sub if possible. No one has ever regretted getting a nice sub for movies and TV, a lot of shows now have outstanding bass in them.

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This part is confusing. First you have a 1000, but a thousand what? Acorns? Dollars? Yen? Pounds? Euros? I think we can assume Dollars, but we don't know for sure unless you tell us.

Next ... a pair of Surrounds and a Center..., so you need a pair of SIDE speakers and a Center? What are your Front Speakers?

If you want to change you system, the Front and Center are the place to start.

At US$1000 for Front and Center, I would say about $700/pr for the Front and about $300 each for the Center speaker.

Are you planning to place the Front Speakers on the TV Cabinet? How are you going to place the Center without blocking part of the Screen?

The simplest thing to do is get a box or a shelf to raise the TV Up so you can slide the Center under it.

Placing the Front Speakers on floorstands would be the best first choice, but short of that, so short stands to raise the speakers up off the TV Stand top.

For the cabinet top stand, something like this would do -



For bookshelf floorstands, there are many to choose from. I would suggest they be about 24" to 28" as that seems very common.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_051NF2...ds-Cherry.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_051NF3...k-lacquer.html

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-3...?skuId=5923888

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-3...?skuId=5678894

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-f...?skuId=2864516

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-s...?skuId=2945477

https://www.parts-express.com/sanus-...lack--240-8806

https://www.parts-express.com/sanus-...black--240-802

Tough dozens of other to choose from.

Given the room, and assuming Front and Center, your budget pretty much dictates Bookshelf speakers in Front.

I would expect very good results from this, and it should keep you well under budget -

Klipsch RP-160 Reference Premier 6.5" speakers - $440/pair -


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708504

Klipsch RP-250C 2x5.25" Center Speaker - $296 each -


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708502

I don't see how you can keep the existing Sound Bar, and add a Center speaker and Surrounds to it. So again, I'm confused about exactly what you want for speakers. I think others are also assuming and recommending Front and Center, so if you could clear that up for us, that would be helpful.

I think the Right choice is Front/Center/Sub, though your budget is a bit lean for that. Then if you want actuall Surround Sound, leave the Surround speakers for later.

Klipsch Reference Premier Bi/Di-Pole 2x4" Surround Speaker - $290 each -

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708527

Klipsch is just one example. There are many others in the same price range to choose from.

Again, I'm confused by the request for ....a pair of Surrounds and a Center.... I'm not sure how that makes sense? But then ... that's just me.

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I meant center, front l/r sry. for confusion.
Not keeping sound bar, I just listed it because the 'form' for questions asked for it.
TV is wall mounted and I'm not going to raise it.
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Hard to tell from the pic. How space do you have from the cabinet to the bottom edge of the screen?

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Here is a photo from another forum of a TV on a small stand with the Center placed underneath the stand -

http://www.pbase.com/gibbsy/image/165315424

Not my image so I can only post a link.

I don't know if you will be able to see the images, but here is at thread in the UK forum where someone tried several methods to get the Center to fit in. Eventually he placed the TV on a small box to lift it up enough that the Center wasn't blocking the TV. In this case, the Center is in front of the TV.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/mov...#post-25380098

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Here is a photo from another forum of a TV on a small stand with the Center placed underneath the stand -

http://www.pbase.com/gibbsy/image/165315424

Not my image so I can only post a link.

I don't know if you will be able to see the images, but here is at thread in the UK forum where someone tried several methods to get the Center to fit in. Eventually he placed the TV on a small box to lift it up enough that the Center wasn't blocking the TV. In this case, the Center is in front of the TV.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/mov...#post-25380098

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I can't raise the set and no offense but that's super ugly. There is about a seven inch clearance.
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I can't raise the set and no offense but that's super ugly. There is about a seven inch clearance.
You gotta do what you gotta do.

Do you want Good Sound Quality or do you want Pretty? You will have to choose the Center that matches your Front speakers, and it will be as tall at it is.

In the situation where the Center is in front of the TV, the TV only needs to be raised just enough to clear the Center, and what it is raised on will be hidden by the Center and not seen.

Though there are many other choice, the Klipsch RP-250C Center is typical -

- Height: 6.8 inches

If you can work with that, then life is good.

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7" will fit the canton chrono. And it's quite nice.
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If it were me, id go to accessories4less.com, and get either the kef q300 for $350, the canton chrono center for $310, get the jbl 550 sub from Amazon for 189, and a pair of deftech studio monitor 45 from best buy for 120. That would be a pretty damn good system in that range, and I'm a little sad that I've bought ridiculous amounts of speakers and read enough (100s of) reviews to be able to pull that off the top of my head.
I just wanted to point out that the SM45s are $125 each, not for a set. So $250 for the surrounds... which is sort of a lot for just surrounds, at least for most people. The Cores at $120 or used/refurb SM45s probably make more sense for surround duty.

But I like the Kef Q300 (or Q100 at $300) + Chrono center idea. Or the Kef center if he wants an exact match and can find it without it bankrupting him.

Or Ziegl's recommendation of Chronos for the front.
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I meant center, front l/r sry. for confusion.
Not keeping sound bar, I just listed it because the 'form' for questions asked for it.
TV is wall mounted and I'm not going to raise it.
So the $1000 does NOT include a subwoofer, just 5 speakers and a 7" or less center?

If you don't need a sub, at that price point I'd recommend Chane or Klipsch RP but unfortunately Chane is out of the A2.4 which is what they use as a center, (or left and right) plus the A2.4 is 7.1 inches.

So, yes, if no sub, Klipsch RP 150m for left and right, 6.8" RP250c for center and Klipsch R15m for rears for a total of $906.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...SABEgLzgvD_BwE

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=5708518

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch...?skuId=6228109

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Hm, that's each? Yeah, I wouldn't go with the sm45 then. But, if it's a question of rears vs sub, id take a sub every time. Honestly, even two good fronts with a sub would be my choice, just the q300s and a good sub would be my choice, their phantom center is pretty excellent. Then fill In the rest as you get more funds.
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Hm, that's each? Yeah, I wouldn't go with the sm45 then. But, if it's a question of rears vs sub, id take a sub every time. Honestly, even two good fronts with a sub would be my choice, just the q300s and a good sub would be my choice, their phantom center is pretty excellent. Then fill In the rest as you get more funds.
Yeah, each. Although at refurb prices the sm45s aren't a bad price at all... although I expect most folks use them as fronts, not surrounds.

I tend to think cheap as possible for rears, so if it's a choice, agree, go for a sub. But he could do the entire thing for 1K if he wanted, if he picks something like the JBL 550. Not sure if that's the best sub for him, but it fits in his budget.

Q300 or Q100 ($300-$400) + Chrono Center ($320) + JBL 550 ($190) + Cores ($118) or whatever cheapos he can find as surrounds.

But if he wants a $500 sub, then yeah, he'd need to make a sacrifice somewhere.
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So, yes, if no sub, Klipsch RP 150m for left and right, 6.8" RP250c for center and Klipsch R15m for rears for a total of $906.

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I think he has room and budget for the Klipsch RP-160M (6.5", $440/pr). Though the Center would be about (just under) $300. That eats about $740 of the budget, leaving $260 for a Sub if he wants one. That's lean but there are some options -

BIC F12 - 12" - 475w - $220 -

https://www.parts-express.com/bic-fo...oofer--303-436

BIC H100II 12", 500w - $250 -

https://www.parts-express.com/bic-ac...oofer--303-414

The BIC F12 is highly rated in its price class. The BIC H-100II is new, but one assumes BIC did a pretty good job on it.


Dayton Sub-1000, 10", 100w - $120 -

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...oofer--300-628

Dayton Sub-1200, 12", 120w - $148 -

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...oofer--300-629


If you can find $500, these are probably the top two Subwoofers in that price range -

SVS Sound SB-1000 Sealed, 12", 300w - $499 -


https://www.svsound.com/products/sb-1000

SVS Sound PB-1000 Ported, 10", 300w - $499 -

https://www.svsound.com/products/pb-1000

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There are open box options for the 160m's and 250c on Amazon. $386.54 & $237.92, one Prime and the other free shipping. That comes to ~$625, freeing up a little more cash.
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There are open box options for the 160m's and 250c on Amazon. $386.54 & $237.92, one Prime and the other free shipping. That comes to ~$625, freeing up a little more cash.
That is not bad -- however for $619 your can get the Canton GLS 2 (which has Chrono drivers) and the Chrono center (extra 20% off when added to cart)
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@gajCA recommended Klipsch RP good option

Check out JBL 230s for $299 also...I would put these speakers up to any for HT/Movies under $1,000

Since you 90% HT these are a slam dunk

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The bic f-12 is a great sub for the money and the pl-200 is a little better........bigger box and more watts, gets a little lower.


The pl-200 is on databass.....it looks decrepid compared to the other subs on there, but it is a huge value for entry level, most of the subs on databass are far from entry level....



If just one sub, I would get the pl-200, if planning multiples, then get f-12`s.


As far as staying cheap if that matters.


I ordered my bic FH-6`s online thru the wallmart website, free shipping and 30 days to decide if you like them, if not, just drop them off at the local wallmart for a full refund..........needless to say I kept them and ordered more, like the F-12, they are a huge value for the money.



Stand them up or lay them down......use them as fronts/backs/centers or on the ceiling for atmos....

Comes with mounting brackets on the back which are removable if not needed.



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http://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...i-version.html
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So much information! I'll have to go through everything when I get home from work tonight.
My initial budget was just for front L/R and the center. I thought that was a good start and I could add later on.
My only concern with a Sub is the neighbor below me.....I don't want to blow them away.
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That is not bad -- however for $619 your can get the Canton GLS 2 (which has Chrono drivers) and the Chrono center (extra 20% off when added to cart)
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...r-black/1.html
For those who don't know, CANTON (Germany) is one of the top selling brands on continental Europe.

https://www.canton.de/en/hifi/chrono-series/

If these appeal to anyone, they are very good speakers. One might think that the metal Woofers and Tweeters would be a bit sharp, but I heard some higher end Karat (no longer made) both floorstanding and bookshelf, and they were not the least bit bright. Very good sounding speakers.

Given that the Chrono Bookshelf list for $799/pr, the Accessories4Less price of $299 is pretty fair.

Sensitivity: 85dB
Bass Driver: 6"

Front = $299
Center = $399
Total = ~$700

Leaving $300 which could be applied to a Subwoofer.

If it matters to anyone, Accessories4Less has a Canton Sub-10.2 (10", 300w) listed for $450 -

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...r-white/1.html


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