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The SEAS Millenium is a very well respected tweeter. My Tyler Acoustics use this tweeter and sounds great.
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The Monitor Audio tweeter used in the Silver and Gold is the best non planar, non ribbon HF transducer I've heard.
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How about Ribbon?
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The best non-ribbon I am aware of is the Scan-Speak R-29 ring radiator with phase plug. Don't confuse it with look-alike tweeters from Scan- Speak that cost one-fourth as much. The R-29 has a pointed phase plug; not a rounded one like the less costly Scan tweeters. The driver has response to 60 kHz and excellent response to 40 kHz. The dispersion is broader, so it needs to be used in a room with treatments, (almost all other tweeters "beam" more.) This tweeter sells for $450 in the Madisound catalog. Yup, three of 'em across the front in my theater. I am SO glad I don't have to pay for speakers... :D

I have to tell you, though, I've heard some very decent $12 tweeters.

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I have to tell you, though, I've heard some very decent $12 tweeters.
Care to name names? ;)

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Do ribbon tweeters sound better than electrostatic ones?
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For dome tweeters, it's pretty hard to beat Hiquphon.

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How about Ribbon?
One of the best Ribbons I have heard IMHO so far is the Raven here:

http://www.zalytron.com/raven.htm

Planar ribbon designs are a little different, and sound excellent. A well proven design is made by Bohlender-Graebener here:

http://www.bgcorp.com/index.html

Certainly worth listening to. :)
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there are indeed many great tweeters be it soft dome, ribbon, horn etc etc

but my preference was focal telar 57 (Tioxid inverted dome tweeter with 3/4" V.C. and 2 †Neodynium magnet)

and now my preference is replaced by the focal beryllium model ( Pure Beryllium inverted dome tweeter, 3/4" coil, "Focus Ring" magnet system)

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For dome tweeters, it's pretty hard to beat Hiqupnon.
I second this. My speaker designer friend also said it was the best soft dome tweeter he ever listened to. He used to use 99000 revelator tweeter before. He now use Hiquphon OW1 and Scanspeak 98000.

I'd like to list some others:

- Scanspeak 97000 soft dome
- Scanspeak 98000 aluminium dome
- Accuton 1" ceramic inverted dome
- Focal Berillium inverted dome
- Seas Excel Millenium 25mm soft dome

I don't know well about BWT/ribbon/electrostatic/Piezzoelectric types.
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Dynaudio Esotar for a dome

Ribbons as raw drivers I'm not too familiar with but the one in the Maggie MG20 is sweet!

The best ever but no longer made - the Hill Plasma

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Ah, the natural, extended , effortless treble of Dr. Hill's Plasmatronics. The best ever, yes.

BTW, ask the DST folks what the best Scan-Speak tweeter is, and they'll tell you, without hesitation, the R-29 ring radiator. It's their best and most expensive tweeter, and in my opinion, the best "dome" ever made.

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I second this. My speaker designer friend also said it was the best soft dome tweeter he ever listened to.
Same guy who mates a TC Sounds boom box woofer with a sea's magnesium ? Ill take a 9900 thanks..
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Originally posted by Paul Scarpelli
Ah, the natural, extended , effortless treble of Dr. Hill's Plasmatronics. The best ever, yes.

BTW, ask the DST folks what the best Scan-Speak tweeter is, and they'll tell you, without hesitation, the R-29 ring radiator. It's their best and most expensive tweeter, and in my opinion, the best "dome" ever made.
My speaker designer friend also told me that ring radiators have worse off-axis response than normal dome tweeters, and that's why he wouldn't use them. That's probably why Scanspeak's latest tweeter is normal dome, not ring radiator..
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Same guy who mates a TC Sounds boom box woofer with a sea's magnesium ? Ill take a 9900 thanks..
I don't think you knew my friend. He never used seas' Magnesium cones in his commercial designs. He actually doesn't like those exotic materials (metal, special fibre, etc.) if they have some nasty resonance near the cut-off, and most of them do.
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Dynaudio Esotar for a dome

Ribbons as raw drivers I'm not too familiar with but the one in the Maggie MG20 is sweet!

The best ever but no longer made - the Hill Plasma
How about Ionophon from A Capella(right?) ?
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JBL "cats-eye" horn ring-radiator. I recently sold a 25 year old pair for $600.

Too bad JBL didn't trademark the term "ring-radiator". They've only been making them since the 1950s.

Some of the cheap Vifa domes sound very good. In any case system intergation is the key; I've heard speakers with cheap drivers sound better than many with expensive drivers.
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Crusin' the Internet; I've found a couple of people that say the scan-speak
9500 is super. Has anyone heard these?
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JBL "cats-eye" horn ring-radiator. I recently sold a 25 year old pair for $600.

Too bad JBL didn't trademark the term "ring-radiator". They've only been making them since the 1950s.
Yes, that's a special one to be sure, and perhaps the best of its time. Still one of the best today.

There are many fine choices out there, and, of course, best is quite a subjective choice in this case. For years, I've been partial to Titanium and Aluminum tweeters rather than soft-dome or ribbon types, but I recently got an earful of the 045Be beryllium compression driver, and it's shockingly excellent. It'll be some time before I get any as they made their appearance in a $17k speaker.

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What I can afford, when I can afford it...
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another vote for the ribbons.
the trade off is in the narrow dispersion and high cost.
i have these and they sound incredible:
http://www.salksound.com/htshome.html
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Humland,

You have the HTS? I know they are new and forgot about using them because of concern over ribbon dispersion. Would you say the performance is mediocre off (Horizontal) axis? I would go with the flush-to-wall crosssover that Mr. Salk offers.

Ribbons have impressed me in the past. I thought it was the vertical dispersion that was where they were weakest, but would be interested to hear if the HTS are only so-so in the many off-axis listening positions of your typical HT.

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My vote is for Scan Speak Revolator D2905/9900 for silk dome and Aurum Cantus G1 for ribbon.
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hi chris,
i've been a fan of ribbon tweeters for many years (search for my posts on the PRO LX5).
i've had an all LX5 set up for quite some time. the highs were amazing, but the the front channel mids were a bit compromised by coumb filtering (when used in multiple arrays).
my modded LX5 dipole surrounds sound incredible and fit well into our living room.
however, i wanted clearer dialog in the fronts and center, but i wanted to keep my LX5 rears and sides (7.1).
the problem is that the transparent/ethereal sound of ribbon tweeters are a very difficult timber match. i looked into other commercial offerings, but the prices for the technology slowed me down.
then i came upon an early review of the Salk HTS series.
i emailed Jim and talked about the speakers. he is great with answering questions and very proud of his superb designs. with the $ back guaranty, i figured "what have i got to lose"?
i went with the on-wall crossover and the MTMs for left, right and center.
i would say that the ribbon tweeters in the HTS have good dispersion to about 60 degrees off axis. i have mine on swivel wall mounts so that they can be pointed at the seating position. i'll try and include pictures with my review.
the speakers have exceeded my every expectation. my ht sound set up is now the best i have ever heard...
i'm a bang for the buck guy. i think Jim's speakers, while not cheap, represent one of the true values in high end audio. i would compare the cost/benefit ratio to an SVS product (i'm also a big SVS fan).
if i had more money to spend, i would get Jim's Veracity series, but for a dedicated ht i don't think you can beat the HTS.
email Jim Salk. you will be impressed with the customer service.
i'm working on an in depth review of the HTS MTMs. i'll post it at avs when it's done.
best,
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focal use a beryllium tweeter which i haven't heard, but on paper it looks like it's arguably one of the best.
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focal use a beryllium tweeter which i haven't heard, but on paper it looks like it's arguably one of the best.
I am a big fan of soft dome tweeters, but I was impressed by 3 non-soft-dome tweeters: Focal Be, Accuton Ceramic, and Scanspeak 98000 aluminium. I haven't heard any diamond dome tweeter yet, though.
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I like the Focal Tioxid tweeters, too. They get the highest marks from me for faithful reproduction. I have yet to post a full review of them, where IMO they beat low-end Triad and ACI emerald inwalls. I still am interested in the pair of Hiquphon's I have yet to put to use, or ribbons, and feel they may be a step up in reproducing the original soundstage.

Humland,

If you like the Veracity, you may be interested by this link to the Gravesen TJL:
http://home1.stofanet.dk/troels.grav...oudspeaker.htm
Unfortunately, these are limited to a full baffle step crossover (2+ feet from wall), but the creater seems accomplished and respectable. Bet they sound real nice.

I won't be doing much 2-channel listening, but also wish to avoid too narrow a vertical dispersion. 60 degrees horizontal is just ducky. Did you find vertical placement of the R/L MTM's tricky? Some seem to feel your head has to be level with the tweeters to avoid timing issues (phase cancellation) from the two woofers. I suppose if one complies with this, vertical ribbon dispersion is a non-issue. I haven't auditioned an MTM, yet.

Maybe I should wait for your review ;)

Cheers,
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chris,
i have no problems with vertical dispersion. i used parts express smartmounts which allow maximum range of adjustment, and can handle the 40lb. speaker weight. the right/left are mounted about 8' apart and to the sides of a panasonic plasma display (on an articulating mount), pointed slightly down and towed in to the primary seating. i used two smartmounts (they are sold in pairs) to mount the center below the plasma and level with our ears (while reclining). i'll shoot some pictures for the review.
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hi chris,
i've been a fan of ribbon tweeters for many years (search for my posts on the PRO LX5).
i've had an all LX5 set up for quite some time. the highs were amazing, but the the front channel mids were a bit compromised by coumb filtering (when used in multiple arrays).
my modded LX5 dipole surrounds sound incredible and fit well into our living room.
however, i wanted clearer dialog in the fronts and center, but i wanted to keep my LX5 rears and sides (7.1).
the problem is that the transparent/ethereal sound of ribbon tweeters are a very difficult timber match. i looked into other commercial offerings, but the prices for the technology slowed me down.
then i came upon an early review of the Salk HTS series.
i emailed Jim and talked about the speakers. he is great with answering questions and very proud of his superb designs. with the $ back guaranty, i figured "what have i got to lose"?
i went with the on-wall crossover and the MTMs for left, right and center.
i would say that the ribbon tweeters in the HTS have good dispersion to about 60 degrees off axis. i have mine on swivel wall mounts so that they can be pointed at the seating position. i'll try and include pictures with my review.
the speakers have exceeded my every expectation. my ht sound set up is now the best i have ever heard...
i'm a bang for the buck guy. i think Jim's speakers, while not cheap, represent one of the true values in high end audio. i would compare the cost/benefit ratio to an SVS product (i'm also a big SVS fan).
if i had more money to spend, i would get Jim's Veracity series, but for a dedicated ht i don't think you can beat the HTS.
email Jim Salk. you will be impressed with the customer service.
i'm working on an in depth review of the HTS MTMs. i'll post it at avs when it's done.
best,
eric
I second Eric on Jim's speakers. I have three Veracity's across the front and love them.
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the best tweeter? gotta be the one in chino hills just off the 71
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