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post #271 of 30958 Old 09-08-2005, 07:06 PM
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When the path distance to the listener from 2 drivers reproducing the same sound is different, they will constructively and destructively interact. This is a concomitant of a horizontal array if you sit off-axis. Not the same with a vertical array.

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At what point or distance does this become a problem? Assuming everything is cool sitting directly in front of the speaker, if you move one seat to the right or left or two seats, etc.

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As little as 1 inch can make a difference.

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I would like to clarify something...

The CC370 v.1 & v.2 were good down to 70hz. The v.3 & v.4 down to 100hz.

The CC has NO internal bracing, and uses 5/8" instead of 3/4" particleboard.

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I would like to clarify something...

The CC370 v.1 & v.2 were good down to 70hz. The v.3 & v.4 down to 100hz.

The CC has NO internal bracing, and uses 5/8" instead of 3/4" particleboard.

Wonder why Paradigm did this with the CC-370. Even the CC-170 and CC-270 in the Performance line are rated down to 70Hz.
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Wonder why Paradigm did this with the CC-370. Even the CC-170 and CC-270 in the Performance line are rated down to 70Hz.

That's the $100,000 question!

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Have you heard the Signature series?

No No, and I refuse to!
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Hmm interesting point, so as Prozakk cleverly pointed it out, it's actually better to have a bookshelf speaker as a center when listening off-axis.

Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?
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Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?

Nope but I found that a Studio 20 v2 was a great improvement on a Studio CC. That was temporary until I got the third Studio 60.

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No No, and I refuse to!

I didn't want to listen to the Sigs either. Went to my Paradigm dealer intending to listen to V.4 Monitors but he didn't have them out. Instead he had me listen to a pair of S4's. I was afraid to listen since I thought listening to anything else afterwards would disappoint me. However, I'll just take the listening experience (which had me smiling ear to ear) as having listened to a really great speaker and trying to get as close as that within my budget in the future.
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with those dimensions i would look into a large sub velodyne or paradigm with a 15 inch woofer. close to my space i had to take back the 12 get the 15 vel to fill the space won't to feel the explosions not just hear them.

I guest that the post was a reply to mine

Thanks for the input man, now I'm wondering, a 15 woofer!? It seems kinda big, remember I don't want to disturb the neighbours too much, since my living room space is about 12' X 14', I won't sit far away from the sub. Maybe there is something that I don't understand. The thing is that I don't want to spend $1200 on a sub, and use it up only to $600 worth of sound because of the neighbours, you know... but since I'll be at the basement level, will they be much affected?

Also, should I go with a Paradigm sub? In general, are they good value, or I would be better off with a more sub specific manufacturer? And witch one? Hehe
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srckmack, I'm curious...did you fill the J-29 stands with sand?

No, I did not fill the J-29's with sand or shot. I considered it, but the stands are already very sturdy and have pre-drilled holes and hardware for connecting to the speakers. While evaluating the ADP470's, I compared and even purchased (and since returned) some other speaker stands. None of them seemed nearly as stable as the J-29's. The stands are also out of any traffic patterns, so I'm not as concerned.

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Hmm interesting point, so as Prozakk cleverly pointed it out, it's actually better to have a bookshelf speaker as a center when listening off-axis.

Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?

How about experiences with a Mini-Monitor instead of a CC370 as a center channel?

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How about experiences with a Mini-Monitor instead of a CC370 as a center channel?

jdg

Do you mean other than the one I previously posted in this thread?

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I've got the Paradigm set-up below for all but my subwoofer, which I'm looking to upgrade for something under $1K. I welcome any suggestions for a complementary subwoofer at this price point and for a new AV Receiver (considering upper end Denons).

Front: Paradigm Reference Studio 60 V.3

Center: Paradigm CC470 V.3

Surrounds: Paradigm Reference SR15 (In ceiling)

Subwoofer: JBL PB10

AV Receiver: Onkyo TX DS 696 (100wpc)

DVD Player: Denon DVD 2900

Sony KDF 50 WE610 LCD Rear Projection TV

LG LSS 3200A DirecTV HD receiver.
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I have a CC 570 and love it. I wouldn't scrimp on the CC and I'd avoid using a conventional speaker for a center. They don't have the same dispersion characteristics and are designed to sit upright, not on their sides. Plus the CC is timbre matched to my 60's which is very important. Blanket statements like CC's aren't any good or mini's make a good center are misleading. If you don't like the 100Hz cutoff of the 370 (I don't) get a bigger better CC.

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No. horizontal speakers wont sound as good, as an equally sized bookshelf speaker. Off axis problems with the tweeter being in the middle of 2 mids is the problem.

Just turn it on its side...
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I have a CC 570 and love it. I wouldn't scrimp on the CC and I'd avoid using a conventional speaker for a center. They don't have the same dispersion characteristics and are designed to sit upright, not on their sides. Plus the CC is timbre matched to my 60's which is very important. Blanket statements like CC's aren't any good or mini's make a good center are misleading. If you don't like the 100Hz cutoff of the 370 (I don't) get a bigger better CC.

Nothing beats 5 or 6 or 7 identical speakers.

I NEVER said to use a bookshelf on it's side. The wave guide on Paradigm speakers is designed to be mounted vertical for bookshelf, horizontal for CC.
Identical dispersing speakers, with identical drivers/enclosures are ideal.

CC's are made for the sole purpose of being near a screen, thus horizontal. It's not better sounding, it's mounting convenience.

The larger 470 & 570 doesn't match the timber of the Monitor series, thus would be a worse purchase.

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Just turn it on its side...

Tweeter wave guides are speaker specific. Also a bad idea.

Horizontal speakers will have negative driver interaction.

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srckkmack, Basically like you I laughed off the filling of the J29 stands like you, I said to myself, these are great stands and have a bit of weight in structural design, most for appeal. The black oval bases standing anchored to the black bases with the metal thread adjustable pin-point spikes for feet. These stands are extremenly stable. HERES A TIP...fill those J29 stands with playground sand, and at that point run you speaker cables through the stands tp the top of stands and ready to conect to the speakers terminals. Don't cheat yourself with the stands and how to properly use them. BTW I may br crazy however but after filling the j29 stands with playground sand from home Depot, they sounded more solid, maybe, no resonance, very solid and clear....but hey, I'm ADHD, so what do I know anyway
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I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.

S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday.

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I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.

S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday.

Great purchase! Please post your impressions once set up. What are you driving them with?

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I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.
S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday.

I know it was all an adventure... (believe me... I know!) but congrats!

You made a fine choice.
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The larger 470 & 570 doesn't match the timber of the Monitor series, thus would be a worse purchase.

Perhaps being more clear about the system you are talking about would help. I recall that the original post indicated that the CC was not great and that minis were the way to go without mention of the Monitor series at all.

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Great purchase! Please post your impressions once set up. What are you driving them with?

I will be temporarily driving them with a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi matched with the DV79AVi. Unfortunately they are not available in Canada yet so I will have to wait 5weeks for the receiver and roughly 8weeks for the DVD player.

If I notice the receiver lacking in power I will use it as a preamp and push the speakers with the Anthem Statement P5 power amp.

I am going to wait for the Anthem D2 pre/pro and sell the receiver on eBay.

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I know it was all an adventure... (believe me... I know!) but congrats!

You made a fine choice.

HAHA!

To say it was an adventure is a HUGE understatement.

Thanks again for all your help man.

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Perhaps being more clear about the system you are talking about would help. I recall that the original post indicated that the CC was not great and that minis were the way to go without mention of the Monitor series at all.

I was referring to using Minis with Monitor series. I assumed one would catch that.

Use a bookshelf speaker within the series of your other speakers.

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I will be temporarily driving them with a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi matched with the DV79AVi. Unfortunately they are not available in Canada yet so I will have to wait 5weeks for the receiver and roughly 8weeks for the DVD player.

If I notice the receiver lacking in power I will use it as a preamp and push the speakers with the Anthem Statement P5 power amp.

I am going to wait for the Anthem D2 pre/pro and sell the receiver on eBay.

Nice

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My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears. (Actually, the 60s arrive next week, and in the interim I've been using the 20s as fronts.)

Questions:

How should I position the 20s as rears? Should I put them in the corners at 45 degree angles from the listening position? Ear level on stands?

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.
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My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears.

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

I'm looking forward to the responses you get on a subwoofer as I've got practically the same set-up and had also sought suggestions on a subwoofer for $1k or less.
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My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears. (Actually, the 60s arrive next week, and in the interim I've been using the 20s as fronts.)

Questions:

How should I position the 20s as rears? Should I put them in the corners at 45 degree angles from the listening position? Ear level on stands?

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Elevated, angled down, pointing toward sweet spot. If not capable, then yes (ear level on stands)
4) Define mid-priced with an actual dollar amount.

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