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Anyone with any experience/feedback on the Monitor 12 sub? Looking to pair a couple with Studio 60's in a fairly large room - I don't really see much feedback on them. Grasshopper seems to have had good performance with Rythmik F12's in a larger room setup - would the Monitor 12 subs be in the same league or is the investment better made in the ID subs? Looking to round out bass in a mostly 2.1 and 5.1 for mostly music? a some TV and HT. Local pricing I can get for Monitor 12 subs is ~899 and Rythmiks would be 100+ or 15" Rythmik F15 at $200+
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Thanks! I did get the center.... I actually am using this as a stereo setup, since it's for music purposes. So, just the pair of 7's and a sub. I have to see if the Center adds anything to the mix, which I'm sure it will. I will use the Center in the Living Room anyways.
Don't forget that there are numerous multi-channel surround music media (from SA-CD to Blu-ray music) to choose from that sound spectacular compared to straight stereo, so definitely consider keeping the center with the system and getting some Monitor bookshelves for the surrounds.

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Anyone with any experience/feedback on the Monitor 12 sub? Looking to pair a couple with Studio 60's in a fairly large room - I don't really see much feedback on them. Grasshopper seems to have had good performance with Rythmik F12's in a larger room setup - would the Monitor 12 subs be in the same league or is the investment better made in the ID subs? Looking to round out bass in a mostly 2.1 and 5.1 for mostly music? a some TV and HT. Local pricing I can get for Monitor 12 subs is ~899 and Rythmiks would be 100+ or 15" Rythmik F15 at $200+
I would look at dedicated sub makers for your sub. You can get much more bang for the buck that way. Head over to the subwoofer subforum and ask there.

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Anyone with any experience/feedback on the Monitor 12 sub? Looking to pair a couple with Studio 60's in a fairly large room - I don't really see much feedback on them. Grasshopper seems to have had good performance with Rythmik F12's in a larger room setup - would the Monitor 12 subs be in the same league or is the investment better made in the ID subs? Looking to round out bass in a mostly 2.1 and 5.1 for mostly music? a some TV and HT. Local pricing I can get for Monitor 12 subs is ~899 and Rythmiks would be 100+ or 15" Rythmik F15 at $200+
In Canada my preference would be SVS. But, the Monitor 12
Sub has the sub EQ program called PBK which does a great
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I think I'm going to go with a Monitor 11 5.1 setup, but I am still deciding about what sub to use. First, the room I'm using for my HT is carpeted; would anyone know if carpet will affect a closed or ported sub differently? Or which one might be better suited? Then, I have to decide between manufacturers; I'm leaning towards SVS, but the Monitor Sub 12 also gets good reviews. Decisions decisions...
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I have been away from Paradigm speakers for a couple years but noted the sale for the free center so I purchased a pair of Monitor 9's and got the free Center 3. Wow! these are entry level but I remembered what I loved about the Paradigm sound, detailed and hifi sounding while at the same time dynamic and explosive for home theater.

Really bummed out now after calling my local Paradigm dealer. Wanted to add the Surround 3's to timbre match and was quoted MSRP. 798 a pair plus tax... Flat out, no discount. These would have to be ordered so would have to wait as well.

I did try and order the above towers and center but they didn't have these in stock and the guy I talked to wasn't sure if they could do the center channel deal anyway. Actually didn't have any Monitor speakers in stock and told me it would take up to 2 weeks to get them. The above order from Paradigm took 2 days to arrive with no drive to the store and no sales tax. Packed extremely well

This dealer used to really deal and do what they could to get a sale but it seems that is a thing of the past. Very depressing... I understand the dealer is in business to make a profit and I want to support them but I never had to pay full MSRP before. Is this the same with all Paradigm dealers now?
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I have been away from Paradigm speakers for a couple years but noted the sale for the free center so I purchased a pair of Monitor 9's and got the free Center 3. Wow! these are entry level but I remembered what I loved about the Paradigm sound, detailed and hifi sounding while at the same time dynamic and explosive for home theater.

Really bummed out now after calling my local Paradigm dealer. Wanted to add the Surround 3's to timbre match and was quoted MSRP. 798 a pair plus tax... Flat out, no discount. These would have to be ordered so would have to wait as well.

I did try and order the above towers and center but they didn't have these in stock and the guy I talked to wasn't sure if they could do the center channel deal anyway. Actually didn't have any Monitor speakers in stock and told me it would take up to 2 weeks to get them. The above order from Paradigm took 2 days to arrive with no drive to the store and no sales tax. Packed extremely well

This dealer used to really deal and do what they could to get a sale but it seems that is a thing of the past. Very depressing... I understand the dealer is in business to make a profit and I want to support them but I never had to pay full MSRP before. Is this the same with all Paradigm dealers now?
I find our local dealers will discount 10 - 15%. I'd call a couple other dealers and see what they say.
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I find our local dealers will discount 10 - 15%. I'd call a couple other dealers and see what they say.
There would be no such luck in Colorado. There are almost no Paradigm dealers left in the state (retail A/V outlets are drying up faster than the Gobi Desert!), so competition is at a bare minimum with little to no incentives to haggle. No deals for me either... unless it's a Paradigm authorized inventory reduction sale of some sort.

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I find our local dealers will discount 10 - 15%. I'd call a couple other dealers and see what they say.
Thanks for the reply but no other dealers around here and no online sales allowed with new Paradigm gear.

Sorry, these surrounds are not worth $800 new. I know it and the dealer knows it...In the past we played a little game and he would knock some off the price but that no longer seems to be the case. Going to look for a pair used. Makes me sad because this dealer is eventually going to disappear and they were excellent.

Anyone have links to dealers that sell used Paradigm gear online?
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Thanks for the reply but no other dealers around here and no online sales allowed with new Paradigm gear.

Sorry, these surrounds are not worth $800 new. I know it and the dealer knows it...In the past we played a little game and he would knock some off the price but that no longer seems to be the case. Going to look for a pair used. Makes me sad because this dealer is eventually going to disappear and they were excellent.

Anyone have links to dealers that sell used Paradigm gear online?
This isn't a link for used, but I find it a bit incredulous that your dealer won't get you a better price. I got around $100 off on my Surround 3's and I'm in Canada.
Hopefully one these dealers can do something good for you:

http://paradigm.com/locator/index.php?domestic=1
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can any one give me the list of prices of Paradigm products
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can any one give me the list of prices of Paradigm products
MSRP prices are listed on their website. How much you pay is based on how much of a discount your dealer gives you. It's not unheard of to get 25% off MSRP.
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I understand the dealer is in business to make a profit and I want to support them but I never had to pay full MSRP before. Is this the same with all Paradigm dealers now?
There's 3 Paradigm dealers in my province and two are local, one of which I ordered from and have gotten 20-25% off MSRP but I don't believe he has a store front to demo products so after the two orders I placed I had to wait 10-15 business days whereas the other dealer which has a storefront never carries any Paradigm in stock and orders are 10, maybe 15% off MSRP.

In other news I had hoped to get my Center 3 before Christmas as I ordered it December 5 or 6th and he said 10 business days but still no luck, really hoping to get Monday but am doubtful. I really want to set up soon and re-watch the LOTR EE movies.
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There would be no such luck in Colorado. There are almost no Paradigm dealers left in the state (retail A/V outlets are drying up faster than the Gobi Desert!), so competition is at a bare minimum with little to no incentives to haggle. No deals for me either... unless it's a Paradigm authorized inventory reduction sale of some sort.
This is what drove me away from buying more Paradigms as I found a need for more speakers. Only one dealer in my area but he sells as MSRP...the closest other dealer is well over an hour drive away. I can also buy online at MSRP as well. Paradigm is a great company, but not at MSRP - there are others out there that are better at that price.

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There would be no such luck in Colorado. There are almost no Paradigm dealers left in the state (retail A/V outlets are drying up faster than the Gobi Desert!), so competition is at a bare minimum with little to no incentives to haggle. No deals for me either... unless it's a Paradigm authorized inventory reduction sale of some sort.
This is what drove me away from buying more Paradigms as I found a need for more speakers. Only one dealer in my area but he sells as MSRP...the closest other dealer is well over an hour drive away. I can also buy online at MSRP as well. Paradigm is a great company, but not at MSRP - there are others out there that are better at that price.
I don't know about value for money, but I can relate to Paradigm brand having a major problem with number and quality of dealerships versus box stores and the rise of cheap HT.

Here in northern VA I should be lucky to have two dealers within 10 miles, but when I went looking for center and surrounds recently... The first dealer I tried wouldn't even see me for an audition, despite having bought my Paradigms there before. At the second, I was told, no discount from retail and was steered away from Paradigm every time the assistant spoke. I noticed the Paradigms were driven by the junkiest amps in the store.

I really enjoy the stopgap cheap'n'cheerful MS Alumni 3.0 for $300 I got in the end, but it's ridiculous to be prevented from buying Paradigm speakers by the lack and quality of dealers.
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Anyone on here currently own the Prestige 75F floor standing? I decided to go with the Studio 60's, but now I'm reconsidering. Not sure if going up to that Prestige model will be worth it; the specs on the two are almost identical. Don't want to invest the extra $ if the gain isn't worth it. Thanks!
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Anyone on here currently own the Prestige 75F floor standing? I decided to go with the Studio 60's, but now I'm reconsidering. Not sure if going up to that Prestige model will be worth it; the specs on the two are almost identical. Don't want to invest the extra $ if the gain isn't worth it. Thanks!
As the Prestige series is new there may not be too many people with experience. Do you have a local dealer where you can audition both? That would be best. As for me, I own the Studio 100s and I'm very happy with them.
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Anyone on here currently own the Prestige 75F floor standing? I decided to go with the Studio 60's, but now I'm reconsidering. Not sure if going up to that Prestige model will be worth it; the specs on the two are almost identical. Don't want to invest the extra $ if the gain isn't worth it. Thanks!
If you have a solid sub to take up the low frequency slack, I would say the Prestige would be an actual downgrade in terms of treble and mid range sonic quality. I heard the Prestiges demoed at CEDIA using Anthem equipment... and this was at the end of the day when the floor was fairly quiet (the last demo of the day... and they were running late). The towers sounded harsh and clinical with vocals and certain high frequency oriented instruments like cymbals, throwing a very narrow sound stage. Only the outrigger feet and the bass frequencies were a noticeable improvement over the Studio line. The takeaway was I wouldn't be able to listen to them without listener fatigue.

The silver colored aluminum cones really clashed with the cabinets... you'd want to keep the covers on them.

All in all a disappointing "upgrade" from Paradigm, especially given the higher MSRP over the Studio line, which has already been jacked up too high. Personally, I think they're trying to cheapen the brand where it counts in order to boost profits. I doubt they'll keep the Studio line around. In fact, they were saying that unless there was some big backlash and enough negative feedback from their dealers, the Studio line would be phased out.

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