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Hello!

Long time lurker here, working on a general purpose basement remodel / man cave.

When picking up my TV today, the shop I go to had a demo pair of Studio 20's for $950. I wasn't planning on replacing my speakers, but I can't stop thinking about how much nicer those would look than my V1 Phantoms. It's probably safe to assume they will sound better too, although the Phantoms have been good to me. Assuming my old cc-150 won't cut it next to the 20's, so I'll be forced to get a new center. Since none of this was in the budget, I'm thinking cc-590 for the center and then continue to use my ADP-170 v.3s for the surrounds.

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grasshoppers - thanks for the comments.
Before I go on,
Question: could I ask you what you enjoy and how you evaluate your sub(s) for your use in mostly music - what makes the investment worthwhile, as in your case you say you have 3 subs. What are you getting that your towers don't provide - mine seem awesome even in this humungous room of mine.
I researched this for a while and do believe I need 2 subs, which is what I heard from several people, including the folks at Rythmik and PSA. The issue I have with the Rythmik, for example, is a financial one and location one. Ideally I would have loved to get 2 - of their 15" sealed, but even the cheaper F12, with shipping to a US warehouse where I can drive in under 30 minutes from my home in Canada, the cost is $975 US each, plus exchange at 25% and I'm at $1250 for the F12 plus whatever they charge me at the border for bringing it into Canada. Once here, if there is an issue/defect/service I'm up the creek and issues can and do happen. Hence, why I took the Paradigm route. In my city, there aren't a lot of alternatives. I looked at PSA as well and same cross-border issues. ID sub wise, we have SVS in Canada and at the same ballpark pricepoint the option would be 2 - SB2000.
I think from what I have read that I would probably be better off with 2 subs,
Question: do you think a second Ultracube 12 would achieve much? I know I'm still not going to be putting out pounding LFE with the space, it's an unrealistic challenge, unless funds are unlimited which isn't my case. I had set around $2K to get the sub(s) purchased, which is what the 2 Ultracubes will cost me, just a little over as I got a decent discount with everything I purchased from the dealer.
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How about 2 Studio 12s? One now and one down the road? Seems you want to stick with Paradigm. My only personal home experience with a sub is a Paradigm Sub 2 so I am biased. The Sub 12 should dig deeper and louder than the ultrasub. My dealer let me borrow a sub 12 while my Sub 2 was on order and it was a night and day difference with movies compared to no sub at all. I don't listen to a lot of music down there even though I should. Even with the Sub 2, I would love to get a second one for the room to smooth out some response issues. My room isn't ideal. It is open in the back to the front foyer where my front door is which is also open to the upstairs since that is where the stairs are for the second floor plus in the right side of the room right in the middle I had a hallway that leads to the laundry room and garage.


With that being said, if I had a different room I would love to try some other brands but the Sub 2 was small enough to fit where I needed it to fit and a second one might fit too but something like a Submersive might not and I really want to try one of those terraform XLs. And PBK is a bonus.

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re pricing strangeness........this is known as "Country Pricing".


I ordered a CC690 today as it was the last day that the dealer (I'm in Canada) can order any Studio series as Paradigm is shutting down production. I previously had ordered the CC690 and 100's in Rosenut but had to get out of it after they sent two sets of each that had an unacceptable finish.


I will be getting the Black Ash version which will perfectly match (color, and sonically) with my 4 Energy RC-70's and 2 RC-50's. I hope there will not be issue with the regular Black Ash finish.


If you want these Studio speakers new.......now is the time. Oh, and yes I agree with some others here that the CC690 sonically is one of the best speakers of all time.
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Monitor Atoms v7

Recently I got a pair of Paradigm Monitor Atoms v7 for my electronic drum kit, really like them so far.

Here is a short mid-range driver excursion demo (please note that audio track is dubbed directly from drum module, not from camcorder mic):
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[QUOTE=rwheelwright;31360009]How about 2 Studio 12s? One now and one down the road? Seems you want to stick with Paradigm. My only personal home experience with a sub is a Paradigm Sub 2 so I am biased. The Sub 12 should dig deeper and louder than the ultrasub. My dealer let me borrow a sub 12 while my Sub 2 was on order and it was a night and day difference with movies compared to no sub at all. I don't listen to a lot of music down there even though I should. Even with the Sub 2, I would love to get a second one for the room to smooth out some response issues. My room isn't ideal. It is open in the back to the front foyer where my front door is which is also open to the upstairs since that is where the stairs are for the second floor plus in the right side of the room right in the middle I had a hallway that leads to the laundry room and garage.


First note - to those that have pm'd me from my original comments, I apologize for not replying to you directly as my thread count being a new member doesn't allow me to respond but I appreciate your comments.

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Like your room, my room is open on the one side to a front foyer area. I'm sure there would be a lot more output from the Studio 12's for sure, but that is now putting me up around $4-5K. While I would like to keep Paradigm and PBK in the mix, at that kind of money wouldn't I be opening up a lot more options (probably cheaper than 2 Sub 12's with similar performance) than my $2k budget. That's more than I am willing to spend - given that I am getting the impression that my room is just too difficult to address and I need to accept trade-offs. It is never going to be a dedicated HT with humungous LFE output. I may just see if I can try out a second Ultracube 12 and see what musical enhancements I can detect.?
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How about 2 Studio 12s? One now and one down the road? Seems you want to stick with Paradigm. My only personal home experience with a sub is a Paradigm Sub 2 so I am biased. The Sub 12 should dig deeper and louder than the ultrasub. My dealer let me borrow a sub 12 while my Sub 2 was on order and it was a night and day difference with movies compared to no sub at all. I don't listen to a lot of music down there even though I should. Even with the Sub 2, I would love to get a second one for the room to smooth out some response issues. My room isn't ideal. It is open in the back to the front foyer where my front door is which is also open to the upstairs since that is where the stairs are for the second floor plus in the right side of the room right in the middle I had a hallway that leads to the laundry room and garage.


First note - to those that have pm'd me from my original comments, I apologize for not replying to you directly as my thread count being a new member doesn't allow me to respond but I appreciate your comments.

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Like your room, my room is open on the one side to a front foyer area. I'm sure there would be a lot more output from the Studio 12's for sure, but that is now putting me up around $4-5K. While I would like to keep Paradigm and PBK in the mix, at that kind of money wouldn't I be opening up a lot more options (probably cheaper than 2 Sub 12's with similar performance) than my $2k budget. That's more than I am willing to spend - given that I am getting the impression that my room is just too difficult to address and I need to accept trade-offs. It is never going to be a dedicated HT with humungous LFE output. I may just see if I can try out a second Ultracube 12 and see what musical enhancements I can detect.?

Have you thought about sealing up the room? I always toy with that idea but my biggest reason for it is not for sound but more for being able to lock the room for when my kid is older and to keep him from putting **** into my speakers and me being left having to repair them. The reason I toy with idea and haven't done it yet is because I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be in this house and don't know how much money I want to spend repairing and upgrading this house.


I had to piece my HT together for years. I was just in a good place last year to be able to get all my Signature speakers. Previously all I had was 2 mains and nothing else. Then when I moved, I put these 2 JBL speakers I had in the rear. Then from there I got matching center and bi-pole rears and moved the JBLs upstairs. These weren't Paradigm though. And then maybe a year or 2 later I finally was able to get a sub. Then 2 years after that I was finally able to get what I wanted in terms of speakers. My priority was HT. Even though I am a musician I wanted something for HT. In an ideal world, my next house will have a "Real" room for HT along with a dedicated 2 channel listening setup and room but one can dream right? The reason I mentioned 2 Sub 12s was because I thought you might be happier with them but not do it all at once. If time and budget allowed piece it together. I never wanted to compromise on components so I did what I could when I could and then waited. I'm still not done with equipment but I'm better of now than before. I still want to get an Anthem D2V but now it's to the point I will wait for their new Pre\pro that has Atmos and whatever else is coming out whenever that will be. I don't want to do in ceiling speakers in this room so I can really wait a while for this. What I do want sooner than later is a P5 and P2 to drive my speakers at a level that is loud but more about me being comfortable without worrying about blowing anything. I don't listen to things extremely loud but that is because I don't want to go deaf and I don't want to blow anything.


One of these days right? If you get a second matching sub, you might be happy! It's always hard to tell until you have the equipment in your room and set up.
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grasshoppers - thanks for the comments.
Before I go on,
Question: could I ask you what you enjoy and how you evaluate your sub(s) for your use in mostly music - what makes the investment worthwhile, as in your case you say you have 3 subs. What are you getting that your towers don't provide - mine seem awesome even in this humungous room of mine.
I researched this for a while and do believe I need 2 subs, which is what I heard from several people, including the folks at Rythmik and PSA. The issue I have with the Rythmik, for example, is a financial one and location one. Ideally I would have loved to get 2 - of their 15" sealed, but even the cheaper F12, with shipping to a US warehouse where I can drive in under 30 minutes from my home in Canada, the cost is $975 US each, plus exchange at 25% and I'm at $1250 for the F12 plus whatever they charge me at the border for bringing it into Canada. Once here, if there is an issue/defect/service I'm up the creek and issues can and do happen. Hence, why I took the Paradigm route. In my city, there aren't a lot of alternatives. I looked at PSA as well and same cross-border issues. ID sub wise, we have SVS in Canada and at the same ballpark pricepoint the option would be 2 - SB2000.
I think from what I have read that I would probably be better off with 2 subs,
Question: do you think a second Ultracube 12 would achieve much? I know I'm still not going to be putting out pounding LFE with the space, it's an unrealistic challenge, unless funds are unlimited which isn't my case. I had set around $2K to get the sub(s) purchased, which is what the 2 Ultracubes will cost me, just a little over as I got a decent discount with everything I purchased from the dealer.
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Personally with the tanking of our dollar here in Canada and the absolutely ridiculous duties, taxes etc getting things across the border, I'd be on the lookout for a couple good used subs from Canuck Audio Mart. Many of the ID sub companies have transferable warranties, so you're covered in that regard, you'll save money because it's used AND you won't have to worry about the aforementioned problems. I managed to pick up a Reaction PV-15x 1000w sub off the forum a couple months back for about $850. It was only 3 months old and cost the buyer close to 1400 to get it here after fees. http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/class...oofers/?page=1 There's nothing of note up right now as far as SVS, PSA (except for a dealer add for a PSA sub, he's asking too much) or HSU is concerned - but you will find them popping up on a monthly basis. Keep your eyes peeled for a PB13 Ultra or SB13 ultra, you could pick one up then just keep scanning the adds again until another one comes along.

I'd take this route WAY before I bought another sub from Paradigm. I love the sound of Paradigm speakers and have been keeping an eye out myself for some used Studio 20's - but their subs just don't cut it from a price/performance standpoint.
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