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How about above the TV pointed down at MLP? I've seen countless debates for people with projectors and non AT screens in the "above vs below" screen, yours seems obvious above screen and point down. That should work.



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From a fellow Michgander - - that is about the only option I see you having - - above the screen. I have seen the "above screen" configuration before but not with a fireplace below. And if it's a working fireplace - - it will be difficult to hide the connecting wires as the chimney/vent makes it difficult to route anything.

You could look at an extended "mount" that allows you to place the CC 690 on the mantle but again, if it's a working fireplace, there are always heat concerns.

It's a beautiful room that is very tastefully decorated.
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Hi all...

I am going to be looking at some used ADP 390's (v6) to complete my surround system (studio 60 v4's and cc-590 v4 front). Any tips on what to look for when looking at surround speakers?

I have asked for seller to set it up with Blu-Ray and will take a couple movies I know, but it will be through "his" system so the familiarity is low.

I will be wall mounting so I want to make sure it comes with mounts obviously as well. I am comparing them with some Axiom qS8's so will see which ones I like better.

Any tips would be greatly helpful!

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I have the ADP 590's in a 7.1 configuration. I use them as "side surrounds" with direct firing Paradigm Millenia speakers in the rear. I find the direct firing speakers as rear surrounds work best. I was space challenged so that's the largest speakers (Millenia) that could fit in my HT room (rear).

I used the Paradigm mounts that came with the ADP 590's. They work very well. Just make sure they are anchored in to a stud or wood trim extending to the dry wall. In my case, most of the speaker weight leans against the wall.

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I've recently acquired two pairs of Signature S1s (v2 & v3). I'd like to get a C1 to go along with them, however upon further research it looks like those rarely make an appearance on the used market. Reluctantly, I could go for a C3 also, but looks like the same issue. And at $2700 new, along with a 120-mile round trip through gut-wrenching traffic to get to the closest dealer - well, I'd rather not.

I've read that the Studio 490 & 590 could be a good match, however they have rear ports and I'd be concerned that eventually this center may wind up inside a TV stand's center slot. Maybe I could plug the port(s)?

So, besides the usual online sale sources (audiogon, usaudiomart, here, etc.) what are my best options to find something that meshes? Obviously, a matching shape to the S1 would be preferred (IOW, no square boxes).

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I was in a similar predicament. I needed a center channel speaker to match my Signature S8 v2's but couldn't stomach paying $2800 for a C3 or $4999 for a C5. ..Asked my dealer to find either a Studio CC-690 or CC-590. ..He called Paradigm and was told their new Prestige 55C sounded more like the Signature line than the Studio. ..I picked mine up last week and couldn't be happier. Very smooth, incredible power handling, and looks great. ..All for $1600.

As for the long distance to get to a dealer, I'd call Paradigm and see if they are any closer newly appointed dealers that do not yet show up on the dealer search on their website. ...In my area (suburban Philadelphia) it seems that Paradigm is expanding their network. Last year there was just one, now it looks like there are three w/in 45 mins. of me. ..Heck, maybe they'll even sell to you directly if they don't have any dealers within a reasonable distance.
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Did Paradigm just jack up their prices? I was checking their site and the Signature S8 is $5630 each now. That's $11260 for a pair...
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Did Paradigm just jack up their prices?
Does a bear ---- in the woods?

That would be a yes.

They ceased to be a "good deal" a while ago.

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Did Paradigm just jack up their prices? I was checking their site and the Signature S8 is $5630 each now. That's $11260 for a pair...
Still shows $4499 ea for me. $9K for the pair.
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It ain't happening. Its really simple, sound stage or divorce where she takes half. Trust me, I fought this battle and lost.
Then save center speaker for your next house because it is doing more harm than good where it is.
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Then save center speaker for your next house because it is doing more harm than good where it is.
My house, my money, my rules. We actually like the way the system sounds and we have tested it with and without the center speaker. When my wife and I fell in love with our new home we both agreed that this system would take a back seat in our home Home ==> Sound System vs Sound System ==> Home. I going to keep the room exactly the way it is and move on to my other interests as this is not my life.

When I visit my father in hospice each day it reminds me of what is important and what is not important. This is not important and we are very happy with our home and our sound system. .

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My house, my money, my rules. We actually like the way the system sounds and we have tested it with and without the center speaker. When my wife and I fell in love with our new home we both agreed that this system would take a back seat in our home Home ==> Sound System vs Sound System ==> Home. I going to keep the room exactly the way it is and move on to my other interests as this is not my life.

When I visit my father in hospice each day it reminds me of what is important and what is not important. This is not important and we are very happy with our home and our sound system. .
Of course, this is all trivial in the context of the major things of life. If you want to keep the speaker this way, do it. I wouldn't.

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I got a chance to briefly listen to the Paradigm Prestige. The local dealer just received a pair of 85Fs in Piano black. I think the exterior finish and shape, with the plinth supporting the speakers look much nicer and higher quality than the Studio line and they sounded pretty darn good. As for the looks of the drivers, I guess you either like them or not, but who cares if the grilles will cover them anyway. Speaking of the grilles, this is where Paradigm cut cost. They are very cheap plastic, but you could only tell if you actually held them. The 85Fs are actually not as big as I thought they would be, about the boxy size of the B&W CM10s.

As for the sound, based on my limited listening time, they are not as detailed (i.e. bright) and airy as the Studios, but rather laid back with excellent soundstaging, and a sense of fullness in the sound, not as lean sounding as Paradigm speakers can be. There is cohesiveness in blending of the highs and lows, with impressive bass quality, leaning more to the warm side of neutral, which I think is a departure from Paradigm's detailed and neutral sound over the years. I think folks will either like them or not. You just have to listen to them and judge for yourself. My dealer said they lean more toward the warm sounding speakers like Sonus Faber. I sort of agree. He said he has already sold several pairs and thinks, given the price, they are stealing sales from the Signature line.
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From a fellow Michgander - - that is about the only option I see you having - - above the screen. I have seen the "above screen" configuration before but not with a fireplace below. And if it's a working fireplace - - it will be difficult to hide the connecting wires as the chimney/vent makes it difficult to route anything.

You could look at an extended "mount" that allows you to place the CC 690 on the mantle but again, if it's a working fireplace, there are always heat concerns.

It's a beautiful room that is very tastefully decorated.
Thank you Ricoflashback! The heat coming off the firplace on an 8" mantle was exactly why we did not mount with that much over hang. Firing down from near the ceiling was the direction we were thinking about going but when I had the designer add it to the plans all three of us agreed that it was not a good option for us. We have seen two movies at reference and we both had big stupid grins on our face and am glad I can move into the plans for the backyard now that the living room is done.

We just got the plans for the backyard approved and now I need to find the best way to bring the sound outside. I changed the pergola to a Lanai so it will be covered and I am hoping to get some Paradigm speakers outside too. Not sure if I should do in ceiling firing down or maybe a few bookshelf speakers somewhere?
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The door folds open all of the way across and will stay open about 12 hours a day. We already added in ceiling speakers (zone 2) that are connected to the 7702 on a switch in the California Room so I would appreciate any suggestions on great sounding speakers likely mounted to the Lanai? Do they need to be outdoor speakers if I have a covered roof? I am digging up the backyard and will be hiding the plumbing, electrical and speakers wires so I need to decide now before they get started.
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...As for the sound, based on my limited listening time, they are not as detailed (i.e. bright) and airy as the Studios, but rather laid back with excellent soundstaging, and a sense of fullness in the sound, not as lean sounding as Paradigm speakers can be.

...He said he has already sold several pairs and thinks, given the price, they are stealing sales from the Signature line.
As an owner of S8 v2's (ie., w/ Beryllium tweeter) who also listened extensively to Studio 100's I would disagree that the Prestige speakers are less detailed than the Studio's. I think they are more detailed but not as bright. I think they somewhere b/w the Studio's and Signatures in terms of detail and smoothness.

As for stealing sales from the Signature, I'm not surprised. This doesn't necessarily mean that they sound as good as the signatures; I think it means that they come close enough in performance that the huge price premium is no longer justified for most people. ..And in terms of finish quality, I think the Sigs still have the Prestige line beat.
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Thank you Ricoflashback! The heat coming off the firplace on an 8" mantle was exactly why we did not mount with that much over hang. Firing down from near the ceiling was the direction we were thinking about going but when I had the designer add it to the plans all three of us agreed that it was not a good option for us. We have seen two movies at reference and we both had big stupid grins on our face and am glad I can move into the plans for the backyard now that the living room is done.

We just got the plans for the backyard approved and now I need to find the best way to bring the sound outside. I changed the pergola to a Lanai so it will be covered and I am hoping to get some Paradigm speakers outside too. Not sure if I should do in ceiling firing down or maybe a few bookshelf speakers somewhere?


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You could easily build a soffit above the fireplace at the wall to ceiling, and hide that center channel behind speaker grille cloth angled down. .
You'd not see it but have proper soundstage.
Can you visualize what I'm saying?
Soffit entire wall width, heck even put some 4" can lights in it.....


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You could easily build a soffit above the fireplace at the wall to ceiling, and hide that center channel behind speaker grille cloth angled down. .
You'd not see it but have proper soundstage.
Can you visualize what I'm saying?
Soffit entire wall width, heck even put some 4" can lights in it.....


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You got me thinking... Doing research on this tomorrow.

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You got me thinking... Doing research on this tomorrow.
Not that you're running short on suggestions here, but here's another.
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Not that you're running short on suggestions here, but here's another.
The problem with Paradigm's in-wall speakers is their relative high cost vs. their performance. Plus, if you want the necessary backer box, it'll cost you more. Triad in-wall's/in-ceiling's are a much better deal and they sound almost identical to their in-room varieties.

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The problem with Paradigm's in-wall speakers is their relative high cost vs. their performance. Plus, if you want the necessary backer box, it'll cost you more. Triad in-wall's/in-ceiling's are a much better deal and they sound almost identical to their in-room varieties.
The backer box probably brings the total cost to near that of the CC-690. And while I won't speak for the poster I suspect he would prefer a Center speaker of the same brand/series as his L/R speakers.
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The backer box probably brings the total cost to near that of the CC-690. And while I won't speak for the poster I suspect he would prefer a Center speaker of the same brand/series as his L/R speakers.
Yes, I agree that if the idea is to use one as a timbre matched center speaker, that's your only other option, unfortunately.

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