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Their parlor tricks limited by DSP 3400s to a 24hz response. They specd at 18 hz according to Pdigm.. A 20hz test tone will not even play through them. Garbage. After learning the hard way and $2000 later, I found that most of their subs use this to avoid warranty claims. You cannot trust Paradigm sub ratings.


My respect for Paradigm is now limited to some of their better speakers. None for their subs.


I will take HSU or SVS if I have to buy a box sub that I didn't build myself. I have heard/felt HSU subs play 16hz.
I can attest to the fact that HSU subs will play down to what they say!
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I am moving up to Studio 100's, CC690, ADP590 from Klipsch Reference 7 system. My question regards power needed. I have an Emotiva MPS-1 7x200 wpc amp and suddenly everyone i know who is familiar with Paradigm Studio line says I need at least 300 wpc to the front stage. The specs do not seem to support this. Looking for some feedback from experienced owners.

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I am moving up to Studio 100's, CC690, ADP590 from Klipsch Reference 7 system. My question regards power needed. I have an Emotiva MPS-1 7x200 wpc amp and suddenly everyone i know who is familiar with Paradigm Studio line says I need at least 300 wpc to the front stage. The specs do not seem to support this. Looking for some feedback from experienced owners.

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I have the same front three speakers. I was driving them with a 200 wpc amp. When it started to have some issues I purchased a Sunfire 400 wpc amp. They sound great, but honestly I am not sure they sound any better. If I were starting from scratch I might suggest a more powerful amp, but already having your amp I would suggest staying with your Emotiva. I think the combo will keep you happy for a long time but you can always upgrade if you're not happy. But at least give the combo a try.
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I am moving up to Studio 100's, CC690, ADP590 from Klipsch Reference 7 system. My question regards power needed. I have an Emotiva MPS-1 7x200 wpc amp and suddenly everyone i know who is familiar with Paradigm Studio line says I need at least 300 wpc to the front stage. The specs do not seem to support this. Looking for some feedback from experienced owners.

Thanks in advance.
Im interested in what you think of going from Ref 7 to the Studio 100's. Are these the newer Ref 7-II's?
Looking at the specs, 32 WPC should get you to ref level at 1 meter. So I guess it really depends how far you listen from your speakers, room size, and how loud you listen to music/movies.
Going from 200 WPC to 300 WPC will only gain about 1-1/2 dB. Doesn't seem worth the cost to me.

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Thanks for the quick responses.

I have the original or classic RF-7, RC-7 front stage with RS-62 sides and RB-35 rears. Heard the Studio 100 sustem at CEDIA EXPO the year they released v5 and said that is a system that i would replace my Klipsch system for.

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I am moving up to Studio 100's, CC690, ADP590 from Klipsch Reference 7 system. My question regards power needed. I have an Emotiva MPS-1 7x200 wpc amp and suddenly everyone i know who is familiar with Paradigm Studio line says I need at least 300 wpc to the front stage. The specs do not seem to support this. Looking for some feedback from experienced owners.

Thanks in advance.
200 watts is plenty for the Studios. They are pretty sensitive
And an easy load. With the Emotiva you will have ample
Amount of reserves. This is applicable as long as you do
Not reside in the Superdome!

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I am moving up to Studio 100's, CC690, ADP590 from Klipsch Reference 7 system. My question regards power needed. I have an Emotiva MPS-1 7x200 wpc amp and suddenly everyone i know who is familiar with Paradigm Studio line says I need at least 300 wpc to the front stage. The specs do not seem to support this. Looking for some feedback from experienced owners.

Thanks in advance.
I had the XPA-3 with Paradigm Sigs and found the resulting sound too bright and harsh. Emotiva can be a bad combo with Paradigm, I've read other owners who found the same. Anthem, Paradigm's sister company, has a different approach than Emotiva, and it's a good synergy. But being that you already had Klipsch, I expect you'll not find the sound distracting.
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200 watts is plenty for the Studios. They are pretty sensitive
And an easy load. With the Emotiva you will have ample
Amount of reserves. This is applicable as long as you do
Not reside in the Superdome!
Agreed. XPA-5 was plenty of power to push my v5 100s,690,and 590s as loud as I wanted in a 14x20 room.
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I had the XPA-3 with Paradigm Sigs and found the resulting sound too bright and harsh. Emotiva can be a bad combo with Paradigm, I've read other owners who found the same. Anthem, Paradigm's sister company, has a different approach than Emotiva, and it's a good synergy. But being that you already had Klipsch, I expect you'll not find the sound distracting.
Interesting. I thought my XPA-5 and later added XPA-2 sounded great with my old Studio setup and still think they sound great with the upgrade to S8s/C5.
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Sub Advice Needed

My room is 14 x 16 and I have a Sunfire TQES10 subwoofer. My home theater is a 9.4.1 system using all Paradigm Active speakers which all go down below 36 hz. I can get a pretty good deal on a Paradigm PW 2200 sub but I am afraid a 9.4.2 system might be overkill for my room. I live in a condo and the Sunfire sub can put out 107 db. Should I add the second sub? Why or why not?
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My room is 14 x 16 and I have a Sunfire TQES10 subwoofer. My home theater is a 9.4.1 system using all Paradigm Active speakers which all go down below 36 hz. I can get a pretty good deal on a Paradigm PW 2200 sub but I am afraid a 9.4.2 system might be overkill for my room. I live in a condo and the Sunfire sub can put out 107 db. Should I add the second sub? Why or why not?
Having at least 2 subs should be a standard for anyone. I would recommend getting a pair of matching subs also. You get the best sub for the $ with the ID companies over in the sub section part of the forum.
So, I would recommend either selling the sunfire, and buying two other subs, or buying another sunfire. Some people has mismatched subs and got them to work. But that's a gamble.
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I had the XPA-3 with Paradigm Sigs and found the resulting sound too bright and harsh. Emotiva can be a bad combo with Paradigm, I've read other owners who found the same. Anthem, Paradigm's sister company, has a different approach than Emotiva, and it's a good synergy. But being that you already had Klipsch, I expect you'll not find the sound distracting.
Are you sure its not your room being overly reflective?


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Having at least 2 subs should be a standard for anyone. I would recommend getting a pair of matching subs also. You get the best sub for the $ with the ID companies over in the sub section part of the forum.
So, I would recommend either selling the sunfire, and buying two other subs, or buying another sunfire. Some people has mismatched subs and got them to work. But that's a gamble.
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Excellent, thanks for the feedback and I will pass on the Paradigm and wait until I find another Sunfire.
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Are you sure its not your room being overly reflective?
Nope, it was the Emotiva equipment. XPA-3 amp, ERC-1 cd player and XDA-1 DAC as pre. I replaced the XPA-3 with a Parasound A21 and with the same system, same room, same tracks, same exact volume, same cables. I would actually get distortion with high frequencies/sibilance with certain tracks at higher volumes. Repeatable, irritating sibilance. Put in the A21 and the sibilance was gone. It was an eye opening experience for a guy who thought all amps sound the same. Then I realized that the midrange, the vocals were better, rich warm, more real. The bass was more accurate too, tighter. All from just an amp. Put the XPA amp back in, there's the sibilance again. I got rid of all the Emotiva equipment and ended up with a Parasound P7 for a pre and Oppo 95 for a cd player. With decent cables, nothing expensive, it sounds the best I've ever had.

It's funny. When I first got the Emotiva amp, it replaced an entry level Adcom amp. They sounded very much the same to me, and I was a little disappointed, but the Emotiva amp went louder with the additional watts. YMMV.
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Nope, it was the Emotiva equipment. XPA-3 amp, ERC-1 cd player and XDA-1 DAC as pre. I replaced the XPA-3 with a Parasound A21 and with the same system, same room, same tracks, same exact volume, same cables. I would actually get distortion with high frequencies/sibilance with certain tracks at higher volumes. Repeatable, irritating sibilance. Put in the A21 and the sibilance was gone. It was an eye opening experience for a guy who thought all amps sound the same. Then I realized that the midrange, the vocals were better, rich warm, more real. The bass was more accurate too, tighter. All from just an amp. Put the XPA amp back in, there's the sibilance again. I got rid of all the Emotiva equipment and ended up with a Parasound P7 for a pre and Oppo 95 for a cd player. With decent cables, nothing expensive, it sounds the best I've ever had.

It's funny. When I first got the Emotiva amp, it replaced an entry level Adcom amp. They sounded very much the same to me, and I was a little disappointed, but the Emotiva amp went louder with the additional watts. YMMV.
Thats interesting. I wonder if the XPR series would have sounded better. They do have better specs. I have heard the Parasounds are nice amps. Along with the ATI and Outlaws.


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Nope, it was the Emotiva equipment. XPA-3 amp, ERC-1 cd player and XDA-1 DAC as pre. I replaced the XPA-3 with a Parasound A21 and with the same system, same room, same tracks, same exact volume, same cables. I would actually get distortion with high frequencies/sibilance with certain tracks at higher volumes. Repeatable, irritating sibilance. Put in the A21 and the sibilance was gone. It was an eye opening experience for a guy who thought all amps sound the same. Then I realized that the midrange, the vocals were better, rich warm, more real. The bass was more accurate too, tighter. All from just an amp. Put the XPA amp back in, there's the sibilance again. I got rid of all the Emotiva equipment and ended up with a Parasound P7 for a pre and Oppo 95 for a cd player. With decent cables, nothing expensive, it sounds the best I've ever had.

It's funny. When I first got the Emotiva amp, it replaced an entry level Adcom amp. They sounded very much the same to me, and I was a little disappointed, but the Emotiva amp went louder with the additional watts. YMMV.
You've got to trust your ears... My first foray into separates several years ago was with XPA2 and XPA3 hooked up to all Paradigm speakers, starting with Studio 100s. I was all stoked getting them because of the attractive price for what you get. Well, as they say, you get what you paid for. The sound was ok, nothing to write home about. After a couple of months, I started to get listener's fatigue, sold the XPAs and started to shop for something better. I've owned the Parasound A21, A51, JC1s, and I would have to say the Parasound with Paradigm speakers make a very good match.
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You've got to trust your ears... My first foray into separates several years ago was with XPA2 and XPA3 hooked up to all Paradigm speakers, starting with Studio 100s. I was all stoked getting them because of the attractive price for what you get. Well, as they say, you get what you paid for. The sound was ok, nothing to write home about. After a couple of months, I started to get listener's fatigue, sold the XPAs and started to shop for something better. I've owned the Parasound A21, A51, JC1s, and I would have to say the Parasound with Paradigm speakers make a very good match.
Emotiva amps and processors offer a lot for the money. They are bright. People usually upgrade later. So maybe they are not such a value.........

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Interesting. I thought my XPA-5 and later added XPA-2 sounded great with my old Studio setup and still think they sound great with the upgrade to S8s/C5.
If you can fit it in your budget, sell the XPAs and get the A51 and A21 for your S8s/C5. You will thank me later. I have the S8s/C5 as well.
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If you can fit it in your budget, sell the XPAs and get the A51 and A21 for your S8s/C5. You will thank me later. I have the S8s/C5 as well.
Thanks. I don't see a lot of praise for the Anthem M1s in this thread. Did you consider them above the Parasounds?
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Thanks. I don't see a lot of praise for the Anthem M1s in this thread. Did you consider them above the Parasounds?
I don't have any experience on the M1s. Of the amps (Bryston, Emotiva, Marantz, Anthem, Parasound, Classe, Pass Labs) that I've owned, I find that my sound preference tends to lean toward amps operating somewhat in class A. So far, Pass Labs, Classe, and Parasound Halo in that order are my favorites in that order, followed by the rest.
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Thanks. I don't see a lot of praise for the Anthem M1s in this thread. Did you consider them above the Parasounds?
They are tremendously powerful. I have never heard any compliments regarding their sound. I prefer the A or P series sound quality over the M1. M1 may make a good sub amp though.......................

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I guess if they are good enough for Dolby they are good enough for me
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i have Paradigm speakers that are about 14 years old (monitor 9s, adp-350, and a cc-350 ) was thinking about upgrading center channel . looking at the current specs (which i don't really understand )would the new model be much of an upgrade ? would it timber match the old ones ? would moving up to the prestige line match or be an improvement?
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i have Paradigm speakers that are about 14 years old (monitor 9s, adp-350, and a cc-350 ) was thinking about upgrading center channel . looking at the current specs (which i don't really understand )would the new model be much of an upgrade ? would it timber match the old ones ? would moving up to the prestige line match or be an improvement?
I had the same timber matching issue with older paradigm speakers and sent an e-mail to Paradigm support. They responded quickly with their current recommendation. I suggest that you contact Paradigm.
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i have Paradigm speakers that are about 14 years old (monitor 9s, adp-350, and a cc-350 ) was thinking about upgrading center channel . looking at the current specs (which i don't really understand )would the new model be much of an upgrade ? would it timber match the old ones ? would moving up to the prestige line match or be an improvement?
I've got the Paradigm 7 from about 12 years ago with a cc370 version 4, I'd suggest that the current line up will not be an exact match timbre-wise for the older stuff. Is there a particular reason why you're looking to replace the center? I had found that dialog wasn't easy to understand with some movies/programming at lower volumes with my less than perfect hearing. Also, with my Onkyo AVR the Audyssey set the center too low. You'd turn up the volume and then during an action sequence the system would blast. I finally got a new AVR after several years and the newer Audyssey 32XT set up the system so much better I was very impressed. Going from an Onkyo TX SR 876 to a Denon AVR 4520, I was also impressed with Denon's approach to an AVR. More refined implementation of features, lighter but more powerful ratings and bottom line the dialog was so much better I was taken aback at how long I had put up with the Onkyo.

Sorry for the long winded approach, but saying all that, replacing the center may give only slight improvement unless you spend a significant amount. But if all you want is a better center channel, I've occasionally seen the cc370 listed used on craigslist and audio sites. $150-200 or so as an asking price. But if you're looking for a big upgrade in sound and can swing it, accessories4less still has the 4520, brand new(also refurbished but I stay away from those)for 1100. They are discontinued now and went for $2000 when they first came out. Just a thought!

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