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post #391 of 30660 Old 09-23-2005, 03:31 PM
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I've been wondering why my B&W N804s don't image better, and I recently read on the B&W website that objects placed between the speakers can have a major adverse effect. Due the restraints of NYC apartment living, all of my audio components plus my plasma display are stored inside a 6'x4'x2' (HxWxD) oak armoire. The speakers are placed 3-4 feet on either side of the armoire. Otherwise the room is pretty well treated with carpet and soft furniture, and the listening position is dead center in a triangle from the speakers. I assume the armoire is the culprit here...

I ask on this thread because this weekend I'm setting up a second system with Studio 60s . Guess what: between them will reside a monolithic (and inherited) Sony RPTV... Damn. Maybe I should dump the TV and install a projector in this room. In this case I only have about three feet between the TV and the side walls, and the 60s will be slotted in those spaces.

Does anyone know where I can look for more information about the effect placing objects between speakers? This is frustrating...

You can do one of these three things:
1. Get rid of the big TV and replace it with a flat screen on the wall or an FP.
2. Move your speakers several feet forward of the TV.
3. Live with it.

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I currently have 20's v.3 and a cc470 v.3 up front with minis in the rear, a HSU VTF-2, and a Marantz 8400. This setup is used for 100% movies. I'm currently finishing a new room which will be 24x11.5. Would I be better off replacing the mini's with either 20's or ADP 470's, or move the 20's to the rear and go with Studio 40's maybe 60's?

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marroz:

I have a similar set-up to yours. I replaced my up-front 20's with 40's and moved the 20's to the sides. I was disappointed with the lack of real change.

I replaced the 20's with 470's, moved the 20's back to the front and moved the 40's into another room. Much better!

You're getting your bass from your sub so replacing the 20's with 40's won't do much.

The 40's are great for two channel audio without a sub.
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Agreed. And the 470s will disperse the surround effects better as well.

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I wanted to get some detailed info on the 470s from you guys that actually own a pair.

1) What is the width of the front of the unit (the flat part not covered with speaker grill). I'm trying to figure out the angle of the sides for the tweet angles

2) I noticed that this speaker has top and bottom grills (see below). Are there ports under these or are the grills just there for cosmetic reasons? Are they removable? Is the surface smooth underneath? I'm asking because I' thinking of putting these speakers in a column (3 sides covered with GOM). If it has ports on the top/bottom, this will change things a bit.



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Steve, the top and bottom of the ADP is solid -- they're not grilles. There are no drivers or ports on the top or bottom of the speaker. You can safely put it wherever you want in the column, and just leave minimum obstructions (e.g. column bracing) to the sides and front.

I'm not sure the width of the front, but I think it's somewhere between 9-10 inches.

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Tim,

Thanks for the feedback. The pictures are deceiving.

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Monitor 7 v4
Performance CC-70

I have a 6.1 system, and plannig to replace my surround speakers with ADP.
How shuold I place the rear center ? of the center since the are different for left and right side ? Anybody with ideas ?
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Do you guys know if the Atoms and Titans have threaded inserts in the back that can be used for wall or ceiling mounts? I'm considering them for surrounds, mounted on the ceiling with some Omnimount 20.0 ceiling mounts.

I'm still kind of going back and forth between ceiling mounted surrounds or in-ceiling surrounds like the SA-15Rs. I might just try ceiling mounted ones first, and if I'm not happy with them I'll take the plunge and cut some holes in the ceiling for the SA-15Rs.
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Monitor 7 v.3
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ADP-370 rear surrounds
Old, powered Kenwood sub
Harmon Kardon DPR-2005

I currently have the above setup (5.1) and would like to go 7.1 now. However, I'm not sure what to use for the side and rear surrounds.

Is it better to have the ADP-370s on the side or rear? Or should I have 2 pairs, 1 for the side, and 1 for the rear? What about Mini's as the true rear and the ADPs on the side?

Thanks!

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99RedSi :

Where is your seating area in relation to the back wall? If it's close, I'd go with another pair of ADP 370's. If it's more than 7 or 8 feet you could go with good little speakers like Atoms in the back and save quite a bit of money.

I have Monitor 5's up front, with a CC-370 in the center. I'm using a pair of ADP-170's on the sides and Atoms in the rear. I use and SVS sub-woofer. I'm in a long skinny basment room and the rears are mounted on the back walls about 10 feet from my listening area.

The sound is terrific and you do feel totally enveloped.
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I'm still kind of going back and forth between ceiling mounted surrounds or in-ceiling surrounds like the SA-15Rs. I might just try ceiling mounted ones first, and if I'm not happy with them I'll take the plunge and cut some holes in the ceiling for the SA-15Rs.

If this is for a surround sound environment, you don't want them on the ceiling in the first place, so get some wall mounts or shelves to put them on. A couple feet above your head on the side and/or rear is what you want, certainly not mounted in the ceiling straight down.

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If this is for a surround sound environment, you don't want them on the ceiling in the first place, so get some wall mounts or shelves to put them on. A couple feet above your head on the side and/or rear is what you want, certainly not mounted in the ceiling straight down.

Unfortunately I can't mount them on the sides, I don't have a wall to the right of my couch as it opens to a dining area/kitchen. And the back wall is an exterior wall with windows, so there's really not a way to put them there. The wife refuses to go with anything floor-standing, so I'm stuck with the ceiling for surrounds. Not ideal, but it will have to do. Supposedly the Paradigm SA-15Rs are pretty good for diffusing sound, but I want to try the easier/less expensive solution of mounting some Atoms or Titans to the ceiling first.
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The wife refuses to go with anything floor-standing, so I'm stuck with the ceiling for surrounds. Not ideal, but it will have to do. Supposedly the Paradigm SA-15Rs are pretty good for diffusing sound, but I want to try the easier/less expensive solution of mounting some Atoms or Titans to the ceiling first.

Fear not, redline65. The Paradigm SA-15Rs are far from a lesser-of-evils compromise. I was dealing with my own WAF issues and I bought them to replace a pair of Klipsch speakers on stands. I'm very, very pleased with them. They're not as hard-hitting as the Klipsch's but the surround effects and musicality are every bit as good, if not much better than those previous surrounds -- not to mention the tonal and timbre matching with my Studio 60s and CC 470 across the front. It's really all about the unique dispersal ability of these speakers, which is unlike any other in-ceiling system.
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stevestevo...the front surface of the adp 470's measure (9) inches. the back side that is against the wall measures (13) inches. hope that helps.
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kzrsix ,

Thanks and now I can confirm for sure with my Visio drawings. I just needed to be sure the tweets were not not aiming directly at the wood in the corners of my columns. I'm all clear

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Hello all ~
I am looking to upgrade my center speaker next from a CC-350 to either a Studio CC v2 - CC- 450
Can anyone supply dimensions of thees speakers , I am having truble finding the info since they are discontuied
My CC-350 is 7 1/16 X 22 1/8 X 9 1/2
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99RedSi :

Where is your seating area in relation to the back wall? If it's close, I'd go with another pair of ADP 370's. If it's more than 7 or 8 feet you could go with good little speakers like Atoms in the back and save quite a bit of money.

I have Monitor 5's up front, with a CC-370 in the center. I'm using a pair of ADP-170's on the sides and Atoms in the rear. I use and SVS sub-woofer. I'm in a long skinny basment room and the rears are mounted on the back walls about 10 feet from my listening area.

The sound is terrific and you do feel totally enveloped.

Well .. it's a decent side room .. almost 2 rooms combined into one.

Like this:

-------------------------
|SP1 ADP1 !
|TV/CC !
|SP2 ADP2 !
-------------------------

SP1 = Front Speaker
CC = Center
ADP = Side/Rear

The distance between the 2 "dashed" walls (and ADPs) is 13 feet.
The distance between SP1/SP2 and ADP1/ADP2 is 9.5 feet.
The distance between the wall behind SP1, SP2, and TV/CC AND the rear wall is 27.5 feet.

Now there is a heating pipe that runs along the ceiling, about 1 foot above and in front of ADP1 (and to the right of ADP2). I thought about hanging some small rears on that but I'm not sure if some mini-monitors or something equivalent would work behind the ADPs.

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this, I appreciate it!

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antman27...the dims on the digm's is/are 22x11.5x8 inches for the studio cc v.2
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Do you guys know if the Atoms and Titans have threaded inserts in the back that can be used for wall or ceiling mounts? I'm considering them for surrounds, mounted on the ceiling with some Omnimount 20.0 ceiling mounts.
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Yes, both have screw holes for a mounting bracket. The holes are 60mm spaced. I have a pair of Atoms wall mounted using Paradigm Premier M-60 wall mounts. I think they were $25 - $30.

I don't think Premier makes ceiling mounts, but the Omnimounts are likely fine.

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Thanks kzrsix , doed anyone know if the CC-450 is the same dimentions as the Studio CC ?
I do believe it is taller once you get into the CC-470 -9-1/16 x 23-1/2 x 12-7/8 in and the CC-470 is tnot trapozoidal like the CC or the CC450 Correct ?
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Did the CC studio center replace the CC-450 or is it the other way around ?
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the studio cc is an older model. The two larger cc's replaced the studios...
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not an owner as of right now but will have 100, 570, 20s v3 + MCA30 in what will most likely be the longest 2 weeks of my life!
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Has anyone ever modyfied any paradigm speakers ? I was thinking of using my CC-350 cabinet & using studio driver, tweeter & crossover . The studio cabinet my be to large for my aplaction .
Any thoughts ?
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Have the Studio 100's V3 and CC-570.......Would like to get the Sig 8's..........
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Guys, what would be the ideal Paradigm speaker packages from this link for my room? The dimensions of my room is 18 feet x 13 feet. I had my eyes on the most basic Paradigm Monitor packages, but maybe that is overkill for my room?
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Guys, what would be the ideal Paradigm speaker packages from this link for my room? The dimensions of my room is 18 feet x 13 feet. I had my eyes on the most basic Paradigm Monitor packages, but maybe that is overkill for my room?

Sig 8s or nothing. No such thing as overkill just turn the volume down.

Seriously, get the best speakers your budget will allow.

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Sig 8s or nothing. No such thing as overkill just turn the volume down.

Seriously, get the best speakers your budget will allow.

HAHA! I love you're style. Go big or go home!


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