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clrv's Avatar clrv 08:01 AM 11-26-2005
My room is just about that size and I have the exact same setup. If your room is treated you are in for a great experience.

Enjoy

Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 03:10 PM 11-26-2005
clrv,

what amps are you using to drive the 100s ? other than the c570 have you tried other paradigm center speakers there? is the 570 the one to beat still, other than the signature off course.

tks.
clrv's Avatar clrv 03:16 PM 11-26-2005
I use the a Sherbourn 7/2100A for my amp. I have used just a Yamaha receiver and it did a ok job for what it was. As far as the CC I have had the 350, 470, and the 570. There was a major diff. in the 350 to the 470, and a decent improvement from the 470 to the 570. To me it was worth the extra $200.
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 04:13 PM 11-26-2005
CLRV,

Many thanks for the replies. At least you heard most of paradigms center speakers. Was also contemplating on saving $200 by going with the 470 instead of the 570, however in home theater, one important aspect is center speakers so i decided to go with the 570. As for the monitor 60 or 100, i havent finalized yet but for ht do you see an advantage going with the 100 over the 60s ? I know in two channel stereo it may, but how about HT?

any chance you tried the 60s before leapin to the 100s ?
miltimj's Avatar miltimj 04:21 PM 11-26-2005
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clrv,

what amps are you using to drive the 100s ? other than the c570 have you tried other paradigm center speakers there? is the 570 the one to beat still, other than the signature off course.

tks.

Yes, since the 570 is the best of the Studio line. As you just mentioned, the center is the most used channel in an HT, and the 570 is a decent step up from the 470 (especially with 100s from what I hear).
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 04:37 PM 11-26-2005
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Yes, since the 570 is the best of the Studio line. As you just mentioned, the center is the most used channel in an HT, and the 570 is a decent step up from the 470 (especially with 100s from what I hear).

Hi. thanks for reply. You mean 570 is a good match with the 100s ? In other words if to get the 100s, its almost best to match it with the 570 ?

Wouldnt the 60's also match w/ the CC570s?

tks.


antman27's Avatar antman27 04:40 PM 11-26-2005
I am looking to upgrade my CC-350 to a CC Studio
I have 40's V.3 Up front now
how will they match & will this be a major inprovement from a CC-350 to a CC v.2 ?
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 04:48 PM 11-26-2005
antman,

what amp are you power your 40s v3 ? how you find them for HT and music ?
miltimj's Avatar miltimj 05:01 PM 11-26-2005
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Originally Posted by Ferdinand77 View Post

Hi. thanks for reply. You mean 570 is a good match with the 100s ? In other words if to get the 100s, its almost best to match it with the 570 ?

Wouldnt the 60's also match w/ the CC570s?

tks.


Yes, the 100s and 570 match, and the 60s and 470 match, ideally. Each will work with the other, but they're ideally suited in those pairings. (The two bass drivers in the 570 match better with the same three in the 100, rather than the single 7" in the
60).

"Matching" is all relative. A 60 and 570 would match much better than a 60 and 370, but technically not quite as well as a 470. Still, I'd take the extra capability in a 570 over the 470 due to its heavy usage (if I couldn't step up to 100s, since 470->570 is a $200 upgrade, not $800 like going to 100s).
antman27's Avatar antman27 05:05 PM 11-26-2005
Funny you ask I have a denon 3805 & find it cranks for HT but lacks & low volume for music .
I am trying to find an amp for it BUT have almost no space left.I am looking into the new Sunfire digital amp but its not out yet its only 1" tall.
With HT my dialog seams muddy & hard to hear but the fx sound great .
I think my 40s would wake up with an amp -I realy have to crank up the 3505 for them to come to life
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 05:12 PM 11-26-2005
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Yes, the 100s and 570 match, and the 60s and 470 match, ideally. Each will work with the other, but they're ideally suited in those pairings. (The two bass drivers in the 570 match better with the same three in the 100, rather than the single 7" in the
60).

"Matching" is all relative. A 60 and 570 would match much better than a 60 and 370, but technically not quite as well as a 470. Still, I'd take the extra capability in a 570 over the 470 due to its heavy usage (if I couldn't step up to 100s, since 470->570 is a $200 upgrade, not $800 like going to 100s).



Now thats very interesting.

Studio 60+ CC470
Studio 100 + CC570

hmmmm. I'll have to think about that. I was hoping that the CC570 would match with the 60s well enough that i could just get by with the studio 60 and cc570. I want it seamless thats why i want it closely matched.

Ok, is there a big difference in sound between the studio 60 & studio 100 ? i know bass is better on the 100s but how about the mids and high ?

tks guys.
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 05:15 PM 11-26-2005
Miltimj,

another question. If to use the 100s and 570s, what crossover settings should i put these in my lexicon ? how about the subs ? would 80 hz THX be a good starting point ?? My subs are two Rel Q400Es.

My rear speakers, still undecided. Maybe the Studio 20s ? Dont know yet really.
miltimj's Avatar miltimj 05:31 PM 11-26-2005
The 570 will definitely match the 60s well enough. Basically, IMO 60+570 is better than 60+470, but ideally the 100s match with the 570. I was going to upgrade from 370 (completely temporary) to 570, then 60s to 100s, but I'm just going to do them both at the same time, next month (a few days before Christmas).

Currently I'm forming my opinions from auditioning and many others' comments on the forum. In a month I'll be able to compare more in depth having experienced them both in my listening environment. Note that the 100s really need an amp to bring them to their full potential, moreso than the 60s, due to their increased bass response.

..Which comes to your other question. 100s seem to basically add low end for the most part, but also take some load off the mid-range and tweeters with the additional drivers they provide. So basically, slight improvement in mid & high, and a more significant improvement in the low end (after all, they have two more 7"ers and larger cabinet space).

As far as crossover settings, that very much depends on the combination of speakers, amplification, and most importantly, your room. I'd set it at 80Hz as you said, and play with it from there. If you have decent amplification (150W+) on 100s, I'd lower it a bit to take advantage of that.. If you have a typical receiver powering 100s, or 60s, 80Hz would probably be the lowest I'd go in general. My 60s and SVS PB-12 are crossed over at 80Hz at the moment.

Oh, and as for the rear speakers, that seems to be personal preference. I tend to go for the diffuse effect and like the 470s. That's what I'll end up getting, but not until I build my dedicated home theater. I currently use directs because that's what I have, and they're 15' behind me. I've thought about getting 20s or 40s and trying them in my (future) room, and if I like the 470s, keep them, and put the 20s/40s in another room, such as the living room.
clrv's Avatar clrv 08:25 PM 11-26-2005
If you have a good sub and you use your setup more for home theater than for music save the money and go with the 60s.

"any chance you tried the 60s before leapin to the 100s"

Yes, but not in my setup. We(my friend and I)just finished with his theater and we went with the CC570, 60's, ADP 470's, and servo for the sub. It is a great match, and sound fantastic.
WOLVERNOLE's Avatar WOLVERNOLE 10:06 PM 11-26-2005
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This is exactly the comparison my wife and I made when selecting speakers. We ended up going to a bunch of different stores and listening to various speakers, then go to the Hifi shop where the Paradigms were and immediately noticed the difference, and began comparing between the 11s and the 60s. I expected my wife to not notice much of a difference and not want to spend the extra cash. In fact, she was the one who said that there's no way she wanted to get the 11s when the 60s sounded so much more clear, detailed, and all-around better. Who am I to complain?

THANKS, TIM. I THINK I WILL GO WITH THE STUDIO 60 / CC-570 COMBO...Now, for surrounds...I am thinking a pair of mini-Monitors (I get nauseous every time I even think of dipoles.) My room will not reasonably accomodate 7.1, but will handle 5.1
Prozakk's Avatar Prozakk 11:49 PM 11-26-2005
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I am looking to upgrade my CC-350 to a CC Studio
I have 40's V.3 Up front now
how will they match & will this be a major inprovement from a CC-350 to a CC v.2 ?

Huge difference. I'd say get a 470 though. Matched series.
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 03:04 AM 11-27-2005
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Originally Posted by miltimj View Post

The 570 will definitely match the 60s well enough. Basically, IMO 60+570 is better than 60+470, but ideally the 100s match with the 570. I was going to upgrade from 370 (completely temporary) to 570, then 60s to 100s, but I'm just going to do them both at the same time, next month (a few days before Christmas).

Currently I'm forming my opinions from auditioning and many others' comments on the forum. In a month I'll be able to compare more in depth having experienced them both in my listening environment. Note that the 100s really need an amp to bring them to their full potential, moreso than the 60s, due to their increased bass response.

..Which comes to your other question. 100s seem to basically add low end for the most part, but also take some load off the mid-range and tweeters with the additional drivers they provide. So basically, slight improvement in mid & high, and a more significant improvement in the low end (after all, they have two more 7"ers and larger cabinet space).

As far as crossover settings, that very much depends on the combination of speakers, amplification, and most importantly, your room. I'd set it at 80Hz as you said, and play with it from there. If you have decent amplification (150W+) on 100s, I'd lower it a bit to take advantage of that.. If you have a typical receiver powering 100s, or 60s, 80Hz would probably be the lowest I'd go in general. My 60s and SVS PB-12 are crossed over at 80Hz at the moment.

Oh, and as for the rear speakers, that seems to be personal preference. I tend to go for the diffuse effect and like the 470s. That's what I'll end up getting, but not until I build my dedicated home theater. I currently use directs because that's what I have, and they're 15' behind me. I've thought about getting 20s or 40s and trying them in my (future) room, and if I like the 470s, keep them, and put the 20s/40s in another room, such as the living room.

Hi miltjim,

My power amps are the Bryston 3bst bridged so it produces 400wx1, left and right are Bryston 3bsst which is 150w x 2.

Would these be enough for either the 60v3 or 100v3 ?

What effect does the 470 have over the studio 20s ?

Regards,

Ferdinand
antman27's Avatar antman27 06:55 AM 11-27-2005
After I upgrade my center next are the rears.
My sofa is agains the back wall that the speakers are mounted to & they are about 7"
Would ADPs dipole work beter in this location or front fireing ?I now have Cenimas on brackets angled down into the center of room as much as posible >
Thanks ~
Ferdinand77's Avatar Ferdinand77 07:15 AM 11-27-2005
on the studio 100 v3 how far do these have to be away from side and back walls ? how many feet apart ?
are these speakers tricky to place in a room ?


tks.
antman27's Avatar antman27 08:06 AM 11-27-2005
They are front ported so they can go against the wall
mikeyc's Avatar mikeyc 09:53 AM 11-27-2005
I wouldn't recommend placing the 100s against the wall even though they're front ported b/c they need room to "breathe". You'll find that they have a much better soundstage and imaging if they're a few feet away from the wall.
antman27's Avatar antman27 09:55 AM 11-27-2005
any thoughts on my rears upgrades ?

" After I upgrade my center next are the rears.
My sofa is agains the back wall that the speakers are mounted to & they are about 7"
Would ADPs dipole work beter in this location or front fireing ?I now have Cenimas on brackets angled down into the center of room as much as posible >
Thanks ~"
mikeyc's Avatar mikeyc 08:08 AM 11-28-2005
I also have space constraints and my sofa is up against the rear wall. I decided to go with Paradigm in ceiling speakers - the SA 15 from their Ref line. Sounds great, blend nicely with my Sigs and great have good WAF.
Maximum7's Avatar Maximum7 11:04 AM 11-28-2005
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Would ADPs dipole work beter in this location or front fireing

I think the ADP's are designed for side wall placement, and placed so the null (or side) is aligned with your ear.
My couch is up against the back wall too (dang it), so I put 20's in the corners, on shelves, firing a little behind my head/at me.
My friend (same couch scenario) has ADP's on the side walls forward a bit froward from his seated position and it sounds good too.
I don't know how the ADP's would work on the back wall, but personally, I wouldn't do it.
antman27's Avatar antman27 02:17 PM 11-28-2005
Thanks , Have a look at my pix
Do you guys think I should get new brackets to angle the rears down & more centered
Also have a look at the angle on my CC-350 any thoughts ?
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Maximum7's Avatar Maximum7 03:39 PM 11-28-2005
I would put the spkr in the first pic, on the side wall firing along the back wall, aimed out very slightly. Then the on the other side, mount it on that plastic easel. Or put it on top on that hutch or what ever that is. Also lower them if you can so they are about 3 feet above your ear height when seated.

Get that center channel to the EDGE of your tv. Consider using this shelf, which would work well.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Searc...rchSection=All
antman27's Avatar antman27 05:20 PM 11-28-2005
Thanks ~
It would be a tough job since the wires are in the walls & poke out behind the speakers now

I now use the Premier MB 60's to mount my rears
Would the Premier MB 40's help me out to get a better angle on the speakers the MB 60s are maxed out on the angle & tilt down

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/..._60/MB_60.html

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/..._40/MB_40.html
miltimj's Avatar miltimj 06:15 PM 11-28-2005
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I don't know how the ADP's would work on the back wall, but personally, I wouldn't do it.

They have the same effect as they do from a side wall.. diffusing the sound so you can't localize that it's from a certain point behind you (or to the side of you, in the case of side surrounds). The closer the wall is to you, the better dipoles will sound compared to directs, since you have less room to "scatter" the sound and trick you into figuring out where it's coming from. Four dipoles as rear/side surrounds also maximize the surround effect for different listening positions within a room, as opposed to directs that may be affected by modes within the room that may be at a particular listening position.
antman27's Avatar antman27 05:31 PM 11-29-2005
I picked the studio 40's after hearing a system @ work -
It is 4 SA -35's in a large space powered by a2 crown D75 amps and a carver preamp-tuner PSC60
Althow the sa are in wall speakers and the 40's are not I thought they would sound similar
My 40's are powered by a Denon 3805 & by far the sa-35 seem like they go much lower . Much more base & low volume over my 40's
Any Thoughts why ?
efloen's Avatar efloen 06:17 PM 11-29-2005
Currently I am powering my Studio 60 v3's and CC-570 with a Denon 3803 receiver. Does anyone know if I will see an increase in sound quality at normal listening levels if I add a quality amplifier?
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