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post #91 of 30406 Old 07-31-2005, 02:09 PM
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My point is the Monitor series are like the bastards in the family line-up. Overlooked constantly. I see suggestions for someone looking at the bigger Performance line to check out Studios (usually used for budget restraints), not Monitors. Why would Monitors, the next obvious step up, be completely overlooked?

I auditioned the Studio 20's vs. Monitor 11's. Sure the 20's sounded a little better in the mids/highs, but it couldn't hold a candle to the output levels of the Monitor 11 (which is a deal-sealer for me). So at the louder playback levels I like for music, the Studio 20 would lose out, versus the Monitor 11, because it runs out of steam, so to speak...

Now the CC-370 flat out sucks. That's why I rebuilt mine to the size/tune/bracing/enclosure thickness of a Monitor 5.


I see your new pics nice set up, well I finally went for it, I traded my Monitor 11s/cc370 that I got in December, I got full value on them, every thing I paid and tax for Studio 100s/cc570, I also added NAD T773 145w x 2 or 110x7

To my ears it was well worth it and the Studio 100s really shine particularly the mid range, and the bass is even better, very accurate and more open, also the tweeter sound more airy and very pleasing, I loved my M11s and it was hard to let go, they were efficient, but with the addition of the NAD T773 it really helped, I never hooked up my HK AVR525 to the studios yet but that NAD is very dynamic and for now it is sufficient un believable tight powerful bass it's like I bought a new sub

My set up now is

Paradigm Studio 100s
Paradigm Studio cc570
Sansui Towers S1117 surround temporary until ADP 470s
JBL E250 sub will upgrade soon
Yamaha YST90 additional sub upgrade soon

Sony KDL 52W4100, Emotiva XPA 5,Pioneer Elite sc25, NAD T773 110x7,Onkyo DVD, Paradigm Studio 100s.Paradigm cc570,ADP,JBL E250
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I demoed them in my theater side by side and for the cost, I personally heard no difference, nothing to make me think the Sig's sounded better at all.

Strangely, I came to the exact opposite conclusion after trying both series in my room for 2 weeks. My dynamic range is so great in there that the differences were clearly audible, particularly on soft parts. At 115 db on a DD track, it's not major (like any speakers would be ), but with a good CD or multi-ch recording, the differences were well worth the price to my ears.

I didn't realized what I was missing before trying them together. A sigh, a whisper, a clear note in the background, a soft instrument that was not there in the background with the Refs. Classical music was clearly better with the Sigs. You really need a good dynamic range to appreciate those differences. For compressed film soundtracks at insanely high levels, the difference was smaller tough...

BTW, to be back on the thread subject, I just ordered a 2nd Signature Servo today!
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The Speakers I demoed were 3 CC570's and 3 Signature C3's as LCR. First they are the same size and same driver setup. The bass drivers are the same, the mid and high are a little different, but very close. The Frequency Response is also very close.

IMHO, they sounded the same, I demoed them with Blues, Jazz, Rock, CD, DVDA and SACD and a bunch of movies. I powered them with a Rotel Pre and Pro using Audio Quest cables. Two Servo 15's and the ADP 470's and Sig ADP's, everything calibrated and my room is treated.

A, CC 570 was $850 each
A, C3 was $1500 each

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Does anyone know if Paradigm is planning a small floor standing Signature speaker?
Something like the Studio 60.
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Redhouse, maybe I'm a bit confused...are you saying that you just compared the CC570 and the C3, and you HAVE the ADP470 and the Sig ADPs? If in fact you have the latter, why do you have both? I just purchased the Sig ADP and I think it sounds excellent, especially with the 8" bass driver.

When I listened to both the Sigs and Reference speakers, they both sounded superb. Did not demo them in my home but, now that I have them in my home and they're getting good playing time, they honestly sound better than when I first brought them home....So there must be something to break-in period. I'm extremely pleased with the Sigs for now, but as all things go, there will be another speaker, perhaps Paradigm, that will supersede these Sigs in the future and this thread will be just history
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The Speakers I demoed were 3 CC570's and 3 Signature C3's as LCR.

And this "big" (and quite strange) set-up made you conclude that the Sigs were not worth it over the Refs?

What about trying the S8 and the C5 against the 100 and 570 before making a wide conclusion like that?
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Probably because with his his setup...

...he uses three center channels.
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Redhouse, maybe I'm a bit confused...are you saying that you just compared the CC570 and the C3, and you HAVE the ADP470 and the Sig ADPs? If in fact you have the latter, why do you have both? I just purchased the Sig ADP and I think it sounds excellent, especially with the 8" bass driver.

I did just compare the CC570 to the C3 and demoed both ADP's and ended up with 3 CC570's as my LCR and two ADP470's per Paradigms advice on my room and setup. I wanted the C5 but it wouldn't fit.

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And this "big" (and quite strange) set-up made you conclude that the Sigs were not worth it over the Refs?

What about trying the S8 and the C5 against the 100 and 570 before making a wide conclusion like that?

I demoed all the speakers in the Studio Series and the Sig's lines before I decided and settled on what I have. Following the advice of my Dealer and Paradigm, my quite strange setup works very well.

Look at the 570 and the C3, the size, drivers, Frequency Response are so close, were do you justify the extra cost?

You can't compare the S8 and C5 to the 100 and 570 the Sig's are a lot bigger and handle more power. But, the Frequency Response between the 100 and S8 is very close and the 100's play as low as the C8, 28 Hz

IMHO, I don't see enough difference to justify the much higher cost between the two lines. I thought the 100 sounded just as good as the C8's.

This is just my opinion, so two each his own.

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I have:

Studio 100v3
Studio 40v3
Studio CC570
Studio ADP 470
Studio Servo 15v2

All in cherry. I keep bringing home speakers to find a better speaker. While I'm demoing them I feel the other speaker is better. Funny thing, when I put my 100s back in I'm glad the other speaker is back at the shop. I just haven't found a better sounding speaker and I have access to a few different brands, Def Tech, Amphion, James, and Tannoy to name a few. I think I'll be selling my setup to move on to the Signiture line. Even if the sound isn't that much better they look fantastic.
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DynamiteD....do you have the upgrade/exchange policy with your Paradigm dealer? Currently you seem to have a very nice system there...what Signatures would you be exchanging for the S8, C5, ADP...what about the rears? Thats a lot of bucks to jump to the Sigs....What finish are you considering? I'm finally finished with my Sig purchases...thank God I'm extremely pleased with em, and they sound better all the time
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Paradigm 100 V.3
Paradigm CC-570
Paradigm Monitor 9 (rear)
Paradigm Seismic - 12

Anthem AVM-2
2 Bryston 4bst (bi-amp 100's)
Anthem MCA 50 (center and rears -- 2 channels to spare -- eventual 7.1 --- )

All Running Balanced Interconnects (except sub)
Audioquest (CV-4) speaker wire (front 3)

Marantz CD and DVD players and some satellite music
Movies 70%
2 kids under 5 makes hard to really turn it up

Listen mainly in 2 channel
Would Love a denon 3910 or 5910 but just not enough music I like is DVD-A or SACD to justify

Waiting on HD-DVD
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I work at the Audio Dealer doing sales/install/programming remotes/design, yada yada yada. I don't know of any trade-up policy that Paradigm offers. I believe that if a dealer does a trade-up policy it's on them to make good and not apart of deal with Paradigm. I was actually thinking of selling my setup and using the money to buy the Signitures, but my work doesn't carry the Signiture line so I have no way to demo them. I was thinking about getting the S8s, C3 or C5 and maybe S2s in the rear. I have the Statement D1 coming so I'm going to wait to see how it sounds with my speakers before I make a move.
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Studio 60
Studio CC470
Studio 20 on J29 stands (rear)
M&K V125 (Sub)
Yamaha RX-V2400
Hitachi 65SWX20B
Panasonic DVD-F85

Sounds great! I'm very happy with the setup. Room size is about 20 x 22 with cathedral ceiling and open to kitchen, hallway, and foyer. Found that using YPAO set to FRONT is best by far. Set the fronts and rears to small and crossover to 80. Also used the Tone control to increase both the treble and bass a little.

Would like to experiment with a separate Amp and some minor room treatments just to see what it sounds like. But I'm very pleased now, so I'm not in a hurry to try. I should also get a RS SPL meter, but its hard to think it could get better.

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Hi All,

Just got a Yamaha RX-V2500.

Just got a pair of Mini-Monitors for the L-R and have the CC-370 Center coming in. The dealer is letting me use a CC-170 until it gets in for the center.

I need to replace my surround in-ceiling old Realistic speakers. (Don't Laugh - were already in the house). So, he is looking into that for me.

Spent a little time listening to the PMC speakers, I don't know what the model was but they were about $1300 a pair plus center of about $700. I decided to go with the Paradigm's.

So, any comments about what I got? Did I do OK?
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Those are blanket conclusions that don't take into consideration a whole whack of variables. Like equipment, budget, room characteristics, usage, and decor just to name a few.
Just as "miltimj" has eliminated aesthetics as a consideration and "wrg2" and me included it; different reasons for different applications.

Maybe I just don't get it, but what is the point of your post?

He must have a new fart can to install on his Maxima.
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I don't get it
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Anybody have any friends interested in a 1-year old set of Studio 100s, CC-570 and ADP-470s? I've been meaning to sell these and I think I finally want to give it a shot since I'll have 2 weeks free soon. v3's, all black, 9/10 just for being used.

It'll be sad to leave the Paradigm family, but it's like owning a car...they will be remembered fondly
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I don't get it

Me neither
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Hi,

I have studio 60's v3 as front speakers.

CC370 and mini monitors as rear speakers. I used to have monitor 7's as fronts, upgraded the fronts (because I value listening to stereo music highly).
Was afraid that the sound wouldn't be homogenous anymore, but actually its less worse then I thought and for now I can live with it.

Using SVS PCi-20-39 subwoofer.
Studio 60's are powered by an Arcam P85. The rest by a Marantz SR-7400.

Currently I am using QED silver anniversary speaker cable for the studio 60's. I don't like the combination, highs are too bright!

Anny recommendations for good speaker cable for Studio 60's ?
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tingtong, as soon as you have the ability to upgrade from the 370 to CC470, do it... there's a massive difference, especially with the 60s.

Edit: And I completely agree with rnrgagne that the speaker cable has nothing to do with how your speakers sound (provided they are of decent gauge, such as 16 or so)
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Hi,

Currently I am using QED silver anniversary speaker cable for the studio 60's. I don't like the combination, highs are too bright!

Anny recommendations for good speaker cable for Studio 60's ?

I highly doubt that the speaker cable has anything to do with your speakers sounding "bright".
I don't want to start a cable debate on this thread, so I'll just leave it at; do some research on room acoustics that will likely yield far more noticable results in taming the brightness.
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I will buy CC470 and Studio 20 in the feature when I have some money again :P But for now I think it is not a bad compromise between a high end stereo system and a mid-end Hometheater :-)

As for the cables, I am going to try some other cable tomorrow and see if it makes any difference, I have my doubts as well , I am just going to try and see (hear) for myelf.

As for room acoustics, yes I am aware that could be the cause as well. Next week someone with a lot of experience in this field will visit me to advice me :-)

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Currently I am using QED silver anniversary speaker cable for the studio 60's. I don't like the combination, highs are too bright!

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I highly doubt that the speaker cable has anything to do with your speakers sounding "bright".
I don't want to start a cable debate on this thread, so I'll just leave it at; do some research on room acoustics that will likely yield far more noticable results in taming the brightness.

I agree and disagree.
While your rooms acoustic are very important and working to fix many of the rooms problems, will give you the biggest upgrade and impact on your sound.

Speaker Cables also, have a impact on your sound. You can do Some great reading on this on the Audio Quest Cinema Quest website. These are the cables I use.

Audio Quest

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Thanx for the link, very interesting piece to read!!
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Speaking of cables...Can anybody suggest a replacement for my M Series MI.4s Biwire cables for my Signatures. These Monster MSeries cables are excellent but at the size they are will not fit in the cable tube mounted in the back of the Premier J 29 stands. The cable is like a 5/8" hose size, plus it's only a bi-wire cable and I'd like to go to a cable that I can Bi-Amp my speakers...Any suggestions?
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I use Mini MK3's. I use three of these for the front and three of these for the back.(six all together). This makes up my music surround system.For movies I switch out the mini's (rear side) and switch in the ADP-150's. I just downloaded the review of them from about 1993 or so.

I power them with three B&K ST-140's.Thats my six ch amp.I cross them over at 100hz so they strain not!.I use a speaker switcher for the rears, soon to be replaced by a niles 12vdc trigger device to switch (lazy),

I have no reason to upgrade.Not yet.


Great thread!!
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Speaker Cables also, have a impact on your sound. You can do Some great reading on this on the Audio Quest Cinema Quest website. These are the cables I use.

Audio Quest

Unfortunately, since that very PDF was made by a company who makes speaker cables, it's incredibly biased (and obviously biased, based on some of the quotes in it).

There are plenty of threads on whether speaker cable makes a difference, so I suppose we don't need to keep it going here... suffice it to say that I'm in the camp that would put a lot of money down on a blind test for those who say there is a difference.
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Unfortunately, since that very PDF was made by a company who makes speaker cables, it's incredibly biased (and obviously biased, based on some of the quotes in it).

There are plenty of threads on whether speaker cable makes a difference, so I suppose we don't need to keep it going here... suffice it to say that I'm in the camp that would put a lot of money down on a blind test for those who say there is a difference.

I agree, you owe it to your wallet to do some research on this subject. And try to find unbiased opinions. Just like miltimj implies, double blind testing simply doesn't lie. Any other claims are at best subjective.
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