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Wow, awesome store.....there goes the majority of my next few pay checks. Been waiting to find a store with a collection like this.

What are some favorites for classic rock fans?

Without derailing this thread too far off topic, there's obvious ones like Dark Side Of The Moon and Aja as mentioned above. I'm sure there has to be a thread or two with music as a subject here somewhere. I know there's an excellent one for live concert discussions.

I find not all music lends itself well to multi-channel SACD, and it's fairly dependent on how the engineer mixes it. What would he do with something like the Police where it's a three piece band for instance? In theory you could easily over-gimmick it.
But something with multiple layers of instruments and ambiance like DSOTM obviously lends itself well to that medium. Also a lot of SACD's have both 5.1 & 2.0 layers, and the 2 channel layer is also higher resolution than CD's.
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Thanks for the info and I stand corrected. Now I have to decide if I want to spend that type of money on a player and the media to play. Damn, how many times do I have to buy Steely Dan - Aja. Cassette, album, cd, DVD, and now this. Sorry to take us off topic but thanks again. On to my dealer to set up a demo. Why does it sound like I have a bad drug habit?

Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.
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Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.

Yeah, that's about as no-brainer as you can get. He's using a Yamaha with YPAO so he'd want to send DSD direct over HDMI to avoid double processing.
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Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.

Thanks, my initial search came up with $1000+ players from various manufacturers but I did stumble upon the Oppo bdp-93 which their site says has replaced the 83. Looks like I can get something nice at a decent price. Thanks again for the info. Gotta love this hobby. There is always something else to buy whether it is new or upgrading. Hope we can get back on topic, because I love reading/talking about my digms.
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Yeah, that's about as no-brainer as you can get. He's using a Yamaha with YPAO so he'd want to send DSD direct over HDMI to avoid double processing.

Thanks for that tip. Are you people trying to help me spend my money
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Thanks for that tip. Are you people trying to help me spend my money

Yup, wait until you run into Bill Mac and Warren in the surround music section of the site
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Venomous, just to remind you about that pic. Thanks.
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I can't find it right now, but I'll look later.

Thank you, Venomous & Mkard. Really appreciate the help.

Mkard, I probably won't feel this way during the drive (in both directions), but I might be willing to make the trek to Tucson. Could you PM me with the details of the dealer that you worked with down there? And do you know if they're willing to do in-home trials (assuming with some sort of deposit agreement)?
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I moved the 20s into the master since they werent getting much use as front presence speakers. They are very impressive as a 2.1 setup.

I shot one picture near the door so you get an idea of how tall they are on the J29s. These sit at the same height as Studio 100s for reference.
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So having a hard time justifying this one. I have a monitor series 7 setup (monitor 7, center 1) for my front 3 channels. I decided to save a few bucks and reuse some old bookshelf speakers for my surrounds. On their own the old bookshelf's sound fine, watching TV and movies I never took particular notice of the rears good or bad, they do their job. I got a 5.1 audio DVD the other day and within seconds the rears just didn't sound good or right. The front stage sounded incredible, but the rears really shined through in a bad way. I do listen to a fair bit of music on these speakers, but realistically its all stereo, until a couple days ago... The majority of the use is TV/movies.

Dilemma is, I want to get a pair of atom or mini monitors to replace the old rear speakers. But given my music listening habits, and that I haven't noticed a sound quality issue with movies and TV, I don't really think I would notice the difference day to day, so its hard to justify several hundred dollars... Anyone want to help convince me otherwise, lol.
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Venemous-

That's pretty much how I have my set up, but 5.1, with 20's as the mains and the surrounds (and a cc590 for the center). So I'm eager to see/hear how 100's (as the mains) can add to the experience.
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I wanted to make sure I had timbre matching, so I got studio 10s for the rear channels. When I wanted to go for 9.2 and 11.2, I went with the mirage omd5s which work well. I simply turn them off when I listen to multichannel music.

If you aren't a serious mch music person, I wouldn't worry about it.
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I wanted to make sure I had timbre matching, so I got studio 10s for the rear channels. When I wanted to go for 9.2 and 11.2, I went with the mirage omd5s which work well. I simply turn them off when I listen to multichannel music.

If you aren't a serious mch music person, I wouldn't worry about it.

Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.
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So having a hard time justifying this one. I have a monitor series 7 setup (monitor 7, center 1) for my front 3 channels. I decided to save a few bucks and reuse some old bookshelf speakers for my surrounds. On their own the old bookshelf's sound fine, watching TV and movies I never took particular notice of the rears good or bad, they do their job. I got a 5.1 audio DVD the other day and within seconds the rears just didn't sound good or right. The front stage sounded incredible, but the rears really shined through in a bad way. I do listen to a fair bit of music on these speakers, but realistically its all stereo, until a couple days ago... The majority of the use is TV/movies.

Dilemma is, I want to get a pair of atom or mini monitors to replace the old rear speakers. But given my music listening habits, and that I haven't noticed a sound quality issue with movies and TV, I don't really think I would notice the difference day to day, so its hard to justify several hundred dollars... Anyone want to help convince me otherwise, lol.

I have a similar set-up and use Atoms for the rear surrounds. I am very happy with them and they're not expensive. Couple hundred bucks, not several. I recommend them.
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Venemous-

That's pretty much how I have my set up, but 5.1, with 20's as the mains and the surrounds (and a cc590 for the center). So I'm eager to see/hear how 100's (as the mains) can add to the experience.

Manually cross 100s at 40hz and they simply pound, ESP with movies

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Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.

Should so fine. I'm pretty critical with music though, so I wanted everything to match since I had the funds.
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Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.

I think most MC music is designed with direct speakers in mind rather than adp's, but it should still sound good.

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Thank you, Venomous & Mkard. Really appreciate the help.

Mkard, I probably won't feel this way during the drive (in both directions), but I might be willing to make the trek to Tucson. Could you PM me with the details of the dealer that you worked with down there? And do you know if they're willing to do in-home trials (assuming with some sort of deposit agreement)?

Sorry it took so long. I'll PM info to you now.

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After spending a few weeks with my new S8/C3 set up, I got some buyer's remorse on not moving up to the C5. My dealer has cut me a deep discount deal on a C5 to allow me to take a loss on selling the C3 and lose what I would have spent if I purchased the C5 initially.

Sooooo.....Anyone out there looking for a C3 at a good price? Call it 40-45% off MSRP, 2 weeks new....

Will be posting at some point in the for sale sections along with my Kef speakers I replaced.

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After spending a few weeks with my new S8/C3 set up, I got some buyer's remorse on not moving up to the C5. My dealer has cut me a deep discount deal on a C5 to allow me to take a loss on selling the C3 and lose what I would have spent if I purchased the C5 initially.

Sooooo.....Anyone out there looking for a C3 at a good price? Call it 40-45% off MSRP, 2 weeks new....

Will be posting at some point in the for sale sections along with my Kef speakers I replaced.

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C3/CC590 just don't stack up well with S8/S100s. Hopefully you can sell that C3 on audiogon or here for a fair price.
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Not much comes out of the heights that would impact the timbre matching. So, go with a decent pair of speakers and be done with it. You can't go wrong with mirage in this aspect. So try aquiring mirage os3's Or omd5's. You could get a nice deal off eBay.

Thanks for the advice Venomous, the 0S3's are on my radar. I do listen in multi-channel stereo a lot and in the future plan to listen to SACD and some DVD-audio albums I've aquired for free when I get my universal player, so those front heights should be more substantial/impactful...no?

Speakers: Mini Monitors v.4, CC 170, Cinema ADP v.3, PDR 12 Sub,
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No comments on the new Stereophile review of the Studio 20 v.5?

http://www.stereophile.com/content/p...v5-loudspeaker

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With a Paradigm Studio Sub 12 in place, is it better off having a pair of Studio 20v5 or 60v5? Obviously 20s doesn't have 2 bass drivers as 60s, but has a bigger midrange driver (7" vs. 5.5") and same tweeter.

I'm 60/40 music (40 being movie+tv shows+gaming) and listen to the music at very loud level. My current system consists of a pair of 60s and a Sub 12. So I'd like to find out if replacing 60s with 20s would be considered an upgrade/downgrade (with less money)? Or better yet, maybe the next upgrade I could do is replacing 60s with Sig S2.
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hey how do you think this set up would do for a home theatre?

Front speakers - Studio 10's
Center Channel - Studio CC 590
Back speakers - (2)ADP -490 V.5

it'll cost about $3500. Anyone have this set up or heard it? how would it perform as a home theatre it'll be for cable and movies, I also don't listen to TV/Movies at really high levels. Any other suggestion that would sound good and not cost anymore than $3500 that would be my max I could do for just speakers as I want a new AVR and I'm getting a new Panasonic Plasma to.

how would the MilleniaOne 5.0 compare to that set up? I like their price better hahaha I could then afford a better sub with the money difference.
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Thanks for the advice Venomous, the 0S3's are on my radar. I do listen in multi-channel stereo a lot and in the future plan to listen to SACD and some DVD-audio albums I've aquired for free when I get my universal player, so those front heights should be more substantial/impactful...no?

If you place your receivers decoder to straight, only 5.1 will come thru on DVD-A or SACD, so nothing will come out of your presence. If you goto 9/11ch stereo like my Yamaha offers, then sound will come out of those presence. This is why I recommend choosing the bookshelfs for the rear, whether they be 10s or 20s, then supplementing with mirage omd for presence. Some prefer adp's for surrounds too or a mix or both.
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hey how do you think this set up would do for a home theatre?

Front speakers - Studio 10's
Center Channel - Studio CC 590
Back speakers - (2)ADP -490 V.5

it'll cost about $3500. Anyone have this set up or heard it? how would it perform as a home theatre it'll be for cable and movies, I also don't listen to TV/Movies at really high levels. Any other suggestion that would sound good and not cost anymore than $3500 that would be my max I could do for just speakers as I want a new AVR and I'm getting a new Panasonic Plasma to.

how would the MilleniaOne 5.0 compare to that set up? I like their price better hahaha I could then afford a better sub with the money difference.

I would step it up a bit and replace the studio 10s with the 20s. You could ditch th 590 and replace th center with another 20 and come out ahead. Or my recommendation is ditch the adp's, replace with studio 10s and put 20s up front with the 590.
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No comments on the new Stereophile review of the Studio 20 v.5?

http://www.stereophile.com/content/p...v5-loudspeaker

I'm not a big follower of magazine reviews, but that was a good article. Guy was point on about the excite 12s too. I noticed the same during my 13 month auditioning mission. I pissed a lot of people off in another thread a few weeks ago when I spoke about the excites are nothing to get excited about. Studio 20s sound better.
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Quick question, is it simply physics that any speaker with more woofer area will produce more midbass than one with less area?

I ask this because i was wondering if it is a fact that the S8s produce more midbass than the S6s? Or is it a matter of what is on the disc, or where the speakers are placed? But given everything is equal, is it obvious that the S8 will produce more midbass than the S6?
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Quick question, is it simply physics that any speaker with more woofer area will produce more midbass than one with less area?

I ask this because i was wondering if it is a fact that the S8s produce more midbass than the S6s? Or is it a matter of what is on the disc, or where the speakers are placed? But given everything is equal, is it obvious that the S8 will produce more midbass than the S6?

Well not "more" per se, you don't want an imbalance at any frequency.

Mid-bass is not as dependent on surface area as lower bass is, so the number of drivers won't be as critical as placement, listening distance and volume.
Bigger and more bass drivers along with a larger cabinet will be able to yield higher SPL by virtue of being more efficient. Higher SPL comes in handy as listening distance and room size increases.

It's kind of like headphones, if they're tight against your ears you hear everything perfectly from a 1" driver, but as soon a you move the ear-piece an inch or two away the bass disappears.

I went from the S4's to the S8's and haven't heard the S6's, but in terms of mid-bass, I don't think the S4's took much of a back seat to the S8's at about a 10' listening distance.
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Thanks for your speedy response and it was very clear and much appreciated BUT i just dont understand how does the S4 not take a back seat to the S8 from 10'.

funny enough, i currently have S4s and a close friend of mine was saying that i could achieve more midbass from getting either the S6 or S8. Now my listening distance is about 12'-13' and will be that for a while. He was suggesting that my midbass lacks because i have only one 7" woofer producing between 100Hz to 300Hz and with more woofers in the speaker, my midbass would definitely improve. Logically, it sounds quite about right but now seeing your response, it makes me wonder.
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producing bass is a matter of moving air, and the woofer diameter is one variable. Excursion is another parameter. Efficiency of the driver motor and cabinet is yet another. So it's hard to state if a larger driver by itself will produce less or more bass.

The other factor is compression, when a driver starts reaching its limit, it will start to cease to get any louder. A smaller less capable driver will start to compress in output. So a larger more efficient speaker such as the S8 will offer more dynamics at higher volumes. It could be very true that the S4 will keep pace in the mid bass with a S8 at lower volumes but start losing out at higher volumes.

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