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Thank you for the opinions!  How much would I need to be spending for a decent amp combination?  With spending about $17k on speakers (and needing a new receiver as well), I'm trying to decide if it's worth the extra cash to spend now.
You need to set a budget and then look for an amp combination that falls within that budget.
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How much of an added sound benefit would I see if I went with a dual pre-amp/power amp set up as opposed to a good single receiver?  Would it be as substantial a benefit as, say, going from a Studio speaker set up to Signature? 

I've previously owned or currently own several receivers (Denon, Marantz, Anthem), integrated (Marantz reference series) and separates (Anthem, Parasound Halo, Bryston, Classe, Emotiva) and depending on how acute your hearing is and type of sound you like (e.g. detailed vs warm, forward vs laid back), you will hear a bigger difference between a receiver and separates vs between receivers or between separates. In my own various setups and according to my ears, I've found that with Studios a good receiver like the MRX works fine but with Signatures, to get the most out of them, separates were the way to go. Obviously you have to look at your budget and how much you're willing to spend.
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This isn't in response to any post in this thread. It's just my opinion based on my own experience with "home theater" speaker systems. I thought I would just mention it because it could be a factor in someone's purchasing decision.

My system is for surround music listening first and video viewing second. The playback quality of my surround music took a quantum leap when I replaced my home theater center speaker with the exact same model as my front left and right speakers. I still use surround speakers for the left and right rears but that is only because my listening room is too small to accommodate 5 floor standing speakers.

All I'm saying is you don't necessarily have to buy the standard configuration.

I would agree with you, but only if you have the room to place the center speaker in the same orientation as the mains.

I had three identical Paradigm Reference LCR-450a speakers across the front, but the center speaker was laid on its side. These speakers are two-way D'Appolito (mid-tweeter-mid) configuration and they sound great when placed vertically but have some issues when placed horizontally. Even if the speakers themselves are identical, if the placements are different the sound can be quite different. Some speakers "designed" to be either vertical or horizontal will often have poor horizontal dispersion or "lobing" when placed on their side.

When I updated to more modern Paradigm Studio 40 mains I also upgraded to a center specific 3-way Studio CC-590 and was floored by how much better the center speaker sounded - vocals and dialog were so much clearer and more intelligible on this speaker which has a vertical array of the tweeter and mid flanked by two woofers - much better dispersion across the seating positions and much more natural sounding. With the new Paradigm lines, I am impressed with the performance of the center speakers!

The true ideal would probably be to have all three identical speakers in the same orientation behind an acoustically transparent screen - if you have the room for this kind of setup.

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I've previously owned or currently own several receivers (Denon, Marantz, Anthem), integrated (Marantz reference series) and separates (Anthem, Parasound Halo, Bryston, Classe, Emotiva) and depending on how acute your hearing is and type of sound you like (e.g. detailed vs warm, forward vs laid back), you will hear a bigger difference between a receiver and separates vs between receivers or between separates. In my own various setups and according to my ears, I've found that with Studios a good receiver like the MRX works fine but with Signatures, to get the most out of them, separates were the way to go. Obviously you have to look at your budget and how much you're willing to spend.

Thanks for the thoughts.  Would I be able to get a good pre-amp/power amp combination for less than $3k?

 

Also, is this the same thing as "pre/pro" and "bi-amp" combinations I hear referred to sometimes?

 

What about "bi-wiring" - is that something that is usually done for improved clarity?

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Thanks for the thoughts.  Would I be able to get a good pre-amp/power amp combination for less than $3k? Yes

Also, is this the same thing as "pre/pro" and "bi-amp" combinations I hear referred to sometimes? Pre/Pro is preamp with surround sound processor combined in one. So you still
need amp. Bi-amp is taking two amps or two channels of an amp combined to run one speaker.
What about "bi-wiring" - is that something that is usually done for improved clarity? generally yes, but others may debate that. If your speakers have two sets of left/right connections, like both the studios and signatures, in my opinion and in my system, I prefer bi-wiring.
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Thanks for the thoughts.  Would I be able to get a good pre-amp/power amp combination for less than $3k? Yes

Also, is this the same thing as "pre/pro" and "bi-amp" combinations I hear referred to sometimes? Pre/Pro is preamp with surround sound processor combined in one. So you still
need amp. Bi-amp is taking two amps or two channels of an amp combined to run one speaker.
What about "bi-wiring" - is that something that is usually done for improved clarity? generally yes, but others may debate that. If your speakers have two sets of left/right connections, like both the studios and signatures, in my opinion and in my system, I prefer bi-wiring.
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Any suggestions on a good pre-amp/power amp combo that would be good for 5.1/7.1 home theatre in that price range less than $3k?

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Well, I think I'm pretty set on picking up the following system today:

S6 x2

C3

ADP3 x2

SUB 1

 

What I'm not yet certain on is the receiver.  I'm considering between the Marantz 7007 and 7008.  I really don't need the 9.2 of the 7008 (7.1 is probably the most I'll use) but is the added benefit of the "32" calibration software worth the extra several hundred dollars?  Thanks in advance and sorry for all the question posts...

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Any suggestions on a good pre-amp/power amp combo that would be good for 5.1/7.1 home theatre in that price range less than $3k?

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Well, I think I'm pretty set on picking up the following system today:
S6 x2
C3
ADP3 x2
SUB 1

What I'm not yet certain on is the receiver.  I'm considering between the Marantz 7007 and 7008.  I really don't need the 9.2 of the 7008 (7.1 is probably the most I'll use) but is the added benefit of the "32" calibration software worth the extra several hundred dollars?  Thanks in advance and sorry for all the question posts...

The X32 version of Audyssey is worth it. There are many that will tell you Anthem's ARC is better and you need to consider Audyssey X32 at a minimum or even Audyssey Pro to get close. This is a tough price point for true separates. Marantz may be your only option besides the internet direct brands like Outlaw, Emotiva. I'm using a Marantz MM7055 @ 140W / channel. Price is around $1K. I had the amp before I had my current speakers. I've never had any problems with the amp or a desire for more power. I cross over @ 60Hz to Sub 1 and in 2-channel mode I play full range. One nice thing about the Marantz amp is it has a rather shallow depth compared to many amps from Parasound, Anthem, etc.

If you want to keep it in the Anthem family, even the PVA series + an Anthem or Marantz receiver should give you all the power you need. An amp would need to be 2x as powerful to provide an additional 3db of headroom. There is another guy using the MRX700 with no external amp.
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Sounds like a nice list of equipment there. I wouldn't mind getting the s6v2's now. I think they have one driver less than my studio 100's. I still can get the low end I need from my seismic 10 (I have another if I feel low end is lacking)
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Any suggestions on a good pre-amp/power amp combo that would be good for 5.1/7.1 home theatre in that price range less than $3k?

You can find a Pre-Pro and a quality amp for that price, but you aren't going to find anything from Anthem in that range - not even used. I did this same search earlier this year and these were some of my final choices:

Integra 80.3 - lots of features but somewhat expensive

Marantz AV7701 - not the newest version but has most of the bells and whistles:
http://www.amazon.com/Marantz-AV7701-Processor-Networking-AirPlay/dp/B0092MMXIE/

Outlaw 975 - no room correction but it is a bargain and got great review. Has limited extras, but some of those fearues can be added via your BluRay or TV
http://outlawaudio.com/products/975.html

I was going to get one of these preamps, but instead decided to just get a high end BluRay with decoding, volume control and HDMI inputs so when things change I only need to upgrade the BD and not a Pre-Pro as well - got an Oppo BDP-105 and directly connected to my 7 channel amp.

Outlaw amplifiers made by ATI
http://outlawaudio.com/products/7200.html
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So, for those who are interested, I made a purchase this weekend letting me take my first dip into audiophile home theatre:

 

Signature S6 x2

Signature C3

Signature ADP3 x2 & stands

Signature SUB 1

Marantz AV7701 pre-amp

Marantz MM8071 power amp

"balanced" wiring between the amps

12 guage speaker wiring

 

This will all be utilized with my Sony 60 inch 3D LED TV and PS4/PS3

 

Thanks for all your help in allowing a newbie take his first steps into this vast forest of audio electronics!

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So, for those who are interested, I made a purchase this weekend letting me take my first dip into audiophile home theatre:

Signature S6 x2
Signature C3
Signature ADP3 x2 & stands
Signature SUB 1
Marantz AV7701 pre-amp
Marantz MM8071 power amp
"balanced" wiring between the amps
12 guage speaker wiring

This will all be utilized with my Sony 60 inch 3D LED TV and PS4/PS3

Thanks for all your help in allowing a newbie take his first steps into this vast forest of audio electronics!

Congrats!!! Thats a great system.
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Have you listened to the Denon 4520ci? I have the exact Studio setup that you are considering and have spent weeks listening to them at hone with a wide variety of AVRs and the Denon was my favorite. You can easily get it for under $1,700 these days.
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So, for those who are interested, I made a purchase this weekend letting me take my first dip into audiophile home theatre:

Signature S6 x2
Signature C3
Signature ADP3 x2 & stands
Signature SUB 1
Marantz AV7701 pre-amp
Marantz MM8071 power amp
"balanced" wiring between the amps
12 guage speaker wiring

This will all be utilized with my Sony 60 inch 3D LED TV and PS4/PS3

Thanks for all your help in allowing a newbie take his first steps into this vast forest of audio electronics!

Congrats!! Very nicely done.
Did you purchase the PBK kit for your SUB 1??
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Congrats!! Very nicely done.
Did you purchase the PBK kit for your SUB 1??

Thank you for bringing that up...  I had discussed it with the salespeople before but we forgot to bring it up at the time of purchase...  Looks like I'll need to buy it separately for $89 if I want to get it.  I imagine it is worth it?  The pre-amp has Audyssey MultEQXT calibration software but does that work for the sub?  Would you recommend the PBK kit?  I was leaning towards getting it.

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Have you listened to the Denon 4520ci? I have the exact Studio setup that you are considering and have spent weeks listening to them at hone with a wide variety of AVRs and the Denon was my favorite. You can easily get it for under $1,700 these days.

No, I'm not sure if they even had that one.  I ended up going with a pre-amp and power amp combo after much deliberation.

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The sub 1 comes with the PBK for the price. dont let the salespeople tell you its extra. Its only extra for the model subs under the Sub1.
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Hmm I dunno, I don't see any documentation stating this is/should be included... I already did a fair bit of negotiating on the price of the sub so I don't think I have much of a leg to stand on to demand other items included now after already settling (and paying) a negotiated price.

 

http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=sub-1/page=overview

http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=perfect-bass-kit/page=overview

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Do you guys think $1500 is a good price for a pair of brand new ADP-590 surrounds? Original Paradigm warranty is included. Thanks in advance...
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Need some help with my rear/surrounds.

Going with a 5.1 setup with:

Denon x4000
Paradigm Monitor 9s for fronts
Monitor Center 3
Dual SVS PB12s for Sub

In my upstairs setup I have ADP-590s - but for this setup I will probably have to go in ceiling. Will the CS-60R-30s or the AMS-150R-30s be sufficient. I probably won't be able to mount them towards the sides either - might be right over the couch/listening area. Will that make a difference?

Thanks for you input.
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So, for those who are interested, I made a purchase this weekend letting me take my first dip into audiophile home theatre:

Signature S6 x2
Signature C3
Signature ADP3 x2 & stands
Signature SUB 1
Marantz AV7701 pre-amp
Marantz MM8071 power amp
"balanced" wiring between the amps
12 guage speaker wiring

This will all be utilized with my Sony 60 inch 3D LED TV and PS4/PS3

Thanks for all your help in allowing a newbie take his first steps into this vast forest of audio electronics!

Welcome to the club. Enjoy.

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Thank you for bringing that up...  I had discussed it with the salespeople before but we forgot to bring it up at the time of purchase...  Looks like I'll need to buy it separately for $89 if I want to get it.  I imagine it is worth it?  The pre-amp has Audyssey MultEQXT calibration software but does that work for the sub?  Would you recommend the PBK kit?  I was leaning towards getting it.

I can't tell you anything about the PBK, but I can tell you that Audyssey MultEQ XT will calibrate your sub. Audyssey does a pretty good job, IMO, but I don't know how it compares to the PBK.

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Do you guys think $1500 is a good price for a pair of brand new ADP-590 surrounds? Original Paradigm warranty is included. Thanks in advance...

Not bad but this looks like a better deal.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-paradigm-s2-v-3-2013-12-01-speakers-60564-naperville-il
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Thank you for bringing that up...  I had discussed it with the salespeople before but we forgot to bring it up at the time of purchase...  Looks like I'll need to buy it separately for $89 if I want to get it.  I imagine it is worth it?  The pre-amp has Audyssey MultEQXT calibration software but does that work for the sub?  Would you recommend the PBK kit?  I was leaning towards getting it.

IMHO the PBK is worth the $90. Getting a sub properly integrated into a system
Can be very tricky. With the PBK kit you can see a real time graph of the response
At various positions. After PBK corrects the sub an further correction by Audyssey
Will be that much better.

You have already made a large investment in your system,get the most you can from it.

Another idea, since you already spent some good money with your dealer, ask them if
They have a PBK kit you can borrow!
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So, for those who are interested, I made a purchase this weekend letting me take my first dip into audiophile home theatre:

Signature S6 x2
Signature C3
Signature ADP3 x2 & stands
Signature SUB 1
Marantz AV7701 pre-amp
Marantz MM8071 power amp
"balanced" wiring between the amps
12 guage speaker wiring

This will all be utilized with my Sony 60 inch 3D LED TV and PS4/PS3

Thanks for all your help in allowing a newbie take his first steps into this vast forest of audio electronics!

Excellent choice on the Marantz separates vs getting a receiver, especially after spending a bunch of money on your Paradigm system. Your ears will thank you.
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Hmm I dunno, I don't see any documentation stating this is/should be included... I already did a fair bit of negotiating on the price of the sub so I don't think I have much of a leg to stand on to demand other items included now after already settling (and paying) a negotiated price.

http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=sub-1/page=overview
http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=perfect-bass-kit/page=overview

It should be included in the Sub 1 box. If it is new you shouldn't have to worry about it or order anything extra. There is a place in the padding for the PBK box to slide into.
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Anybody heard if Paradigm will show anything new at CES..........I think someone knows...ha ha !!smile.gif
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Im hoping!! I called and all they would say was that an announcement like that would happen at CES or CEDIA.
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Need some help with my rear/surrounds.

Going with a 5.1 setup with:

Denon x4000
Paradigm Monitor 9s for fronts
Monitor Center 3
Dual SVS PB12s for Sub

In my upstairs setup I have ADP-590s - but for this setup I will probably have to go in ceiling. Will the CS-60R-30s or the AMS-150R-30s be sufficient. I probably won't be able to mount them towards the sides either - might be right over the couch/listening area. Will that make a difference?

Thanks for you input.

Bump - hoping someone would jump in here and offer an opinion.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Elemental2000 View Post

Hmm I dunno, I don't see any documentation stating this is/should be included... I already did a fair bit of negotiating on the price of the sub so I don't think I have much of a leg to stand on to demand other items included now after already settling (and paying) a negotiated price.

http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=sub-1/page=overview
http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=perfect-bass-kit/page=overview

This page, it says room correction pbk included
http://www.paradigm.com/products/collection=signature/model=sub-1/page=specs

I have the sub1 it came with the pbk and the sub is awesome
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