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pbrandt's Avatar pbrandt
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I have decided on the Studio 60's and the 690 for my center. I am also replacing my AVR. I was thinking about purchasing the Denon X4000 along with a separate amplifier. I guess I am looking for suggestions on a new receiver and amp. Amp will go to my LCR. 

I do want...

3D

2-3 Zones

Budget around 2k Max.

 

Thanks

Phil

 

 

Well crap! I went to my dealer today to listen to the 690 since I had yet to hear it but had read a ton of great reviews. Fell in love with it! I have listened to a lot of centers over the last month and this one is by far my favorite. Big problem though. He also got a new pair of Studio 100's which I did not want to hear because I knew I would want them. After an hour and a half of listening to both the 60's and 100's I really liked what the 100's added. I am not good at describing audio but they seemed to fill the room better, a few times I thought he had all 5 speakers playing. So is it worth an extra $800 (total not per unit) to go to the 100's? Part of me is trying to sell myself that I am future proofing my system but that eats up my budget for my amp (I guess I could get that down the road):rolleyes: 

 

Any thoughts or been in a similar situation?


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Well crap! I went to my dealer today to listen to the 690 since I had yet to hear it but had read a ton of great reviews. Fell in love with it! I have listened to a lot of centers over the last month and this one is by far my favorite. Big problem though. He also got a new pair of Studio 100's which I did not want to hear because I knew I would want them. After an hour and a half of listening to both the 60's and 100's I really liked what the 100's added. I am not good at describing audio but they seemed to fill the room better, a few times I thought he had all 5 speakers playing. So is it worth an extra $800 (total not per unit) to go to the 100's? Part of me is trying to sell myself that I am future proofing my system but that eats up my budget for my amp (I guess I could get that down the road)rolleyes.gif  

Any thoughts or been in a similar situation?

Yes, get the 100s,..you won't be looking back and wondering... These speakers will last you a long long time.... I still have the original 100s which I bought in 1998.
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I still have my studio 100v3's that I bought new in 2006. Still sounding sweet, but want to upgrade in the future to used s8 v2's in piano black

So yeah they are worth the extra $800. You'll be kicking yourself if you don't
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Well crap! I went to my dealer today to listen to the 690 since I had yet to hear it but had read a ton of great reviews. Fell in love with it! I have listened to a lot of centers over the last month and this one is by far my favorite. Big problem though. He also got a new pair of Studio 100's which I did not want to hear because I knew I would want them. After an hour and a half of listening to both the 60's and 100's I really liked what the 100's added. I am not good at describing audio but they seemed to fill the room better, a few times I thought he had all 5 speakers playing. So is it worth an extra $800 (total not per unit) to go to the 100's? Part of me is trying to sell myself that I am future proofing my system but that eats up my budget for my amp (I guess I could get that down the road):rolleyes: 

 

Any thoughts or been in a similar situation?

 

  for sure get the 100s   way fuller sounding that extra bass ...

 

   don't skip the amp tho.. 100s love lots of clean power..

 

      cheers


ttlnb's Avatar ttlnb
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A_J,

I think the Surround 1 would be a great choice for your room.
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A_J,

I think the Surround 1 would be a great choice for your room.

Great, now I just need to decide on what I want to do about my sub. I have an aging Paradigm PS-1200, I replaced the surround on the woofer then the amp went out. I bought a couple of Emotiva 10 inch subs, but they don't hit near as hard as the PS-1200 did.
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Hey guys I'm looking at used set of Paradigm Monitor 7's, a pair of ADP-390's, a CC-200, and a cinema ct subwoofer all version 5.
Is $800 too much?

Anyone?

I really only need the ADP's but he won't go lower than $275 for the pair.
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I currently own a 5.1 Paradigm setup consisting of a PS-1200 sub, Mini Monitor surrounds, Monitor 5 mains, and a CC-370 center. These date to 2004.

I recently updated my AVR, and the guy at the shop seemed to think I would benefit greatly from upgrading my center from the CC-370 to the current Center 1 model (or perhaps he meant Center 3).

Would I discern a meaningful improvement by doing so, or is this just sales hyperbole? He seemed to think my other speakers would be just fine, and only remarked on the center speaker as an upgrade candidate.
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Anyone?

I really only need the ADP's but he won't go lower than $275 for the pair.

That doesn't seem like a bad price for all that is included...you can likely sell all but the ADP's and make your money back.


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I currently own a 5.1 Paradigm setup consisting of a PS-1200 sub, Mini Monitor surrounds, Monitor 5 mains, and a CC-370 center. These date to 2004.

I recently updated my AVR, and the guy at the shop seemed to think I would benefit greatly from upgrading my center from the CC-370 to the current Center 1 model (or perhaps he meant Center 3).

Would I discern a meaningful improvement by doing so, or is this just sales hyperbole? He seemed to think my other speakers would be just fine, and only remarked on the center speaker as an upgrade candidate.


Some shops will allow you to bring your current center in to A/B with the "new" center.  Then you can let your ears tell you the difference and won't have to worry about the pocket money...unless he is correct and then you are shelling out for a new center...lol.


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That doesn't seem like a bad price for all that is included...you can likely sell all but the ADP's and make your money back.

I'll be keeping the ADP's for rear surrounds for my HT. Can't find these things anywhere out here.
I figured the value was fair, I'll try to get him down a bit more. He started at $950. I'll go check them out this weekend.
Thanks for the reply.
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got them unboxed just not setup yet and i can say the color is awesome and looks so good next to all the black of the rest of the ht gear.
My first little complaint is that the when putting the 100's on a hardwood floor the feet are not very sturdy you barely nudge them from the back and they may tip forward. just seems kinda like they got all the way to the bottom when designing and ran out of ideas.
should have them hooked up tomorrow.

Any further updates........how do you like the sound? Any issues with the finish on them......I hope not.
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A_J,

I like the PBK subs and the Monitor series is a good value. It would depend on what you are using for a receiver/ processor though. You can get more boom for the buck with the internet brands but you don't get the ability to see your measurements, adjust placement and EQ once you have found the best locations. If you have measurement equipment and a receiver/ processor that EQs the sub then the internet brands can be a good choice.
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ttlnb
I have a Yamaha RX-V667 AVR which has YPAO. I'm not sure how well it works because I don't have any diagnostic equipment other than the analog SPL meter I purchased from RadioShack several years ago.
ttlnb's Avatar ttlnb
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I'm not up on all the Yamaha models but I do know some of their models do not EQ the sub at all. I'm not sure at what model that becomes a feature. Plus most receivers don't show their measurements so you can tweak the placements. The PBK subs connect to your computer via USB and you can see the graph of what is happening in your room for the subwoofer, and you can test multiple locations. Arguably the sub is the most important speaker to EQ. Then you can move the sub or seating to find an area it will work best. Then have PBK do the EQ and your done. it has some other tweaking capability but probably not needed for your situation but it was for mine since I have no processor to handle the crossover duties.

The process took me about a half hour and that includes loading the software, testing different locations, finding the best location for the sub and applying the EQ. I thought it was nice not to have to buy and learn other measurement equipment/ software and I was able to get it done pretty quick I thought with no real experience. The results were definitely noticeable, it was much cleaner and much more integrated than the SVS sub I had. But the SVS sub would go louder than my speakers could and I really didn't need to go that loud for this situation

. If you have the time and don't mind spending a little more you could get an internet sub, an EQ, some measurement equipment and software and do the same thing and get more output. I wouldn't go without EQ though if your receiver isn't capable of it. I would check that first.
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Thanks for the heads up, I will check and see if my Yamaha is capable of EQ. I remember something about it having a parametric EQ but not sure if that works on the LFE channel. I will also look into the PBK subs and see if they are in my price range. Thanks again for your help.
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Looking for Paradigm ADP1s in maple. Anyone is selling or knows someone who wants to sell?


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Looking for Paradigm ADP1s in maple. Anyone is selling or knows someone who wants to sell?

 

Here are a couple on the Canuck Audio Mart.  I hope these are what you were referring to...

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649103723-paradigm_surrounds_reference_studio_adp_v2_pair/

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649102991-paradigm_adp_studio_20_v4_compact_and_mini_monitors/


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Here are a couple on the Canuck Audio Mart.  I hope these are what you were referring to...

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649103723-paradigm_surrounds_reference_studio_adp_v2_pair/

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649102991-paradigm_adp_studio_20_v4_compact_and_mini_monitors/

 

Thanks for your help, but those are studios in black. I should clarify that I'm looking for signature series in maple finish.


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Here are a couple on the Canuck Audio Mart.  I hope these are what you were referring to...

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649103723-paradigm_surrounds_reference_studio_adp_v2_pair/

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649102991-paradigm_adp_studio_20_v4_compact_and_mini_monitors/

 


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Please note, personal sells are not allowed inside the forums. Requests should be placed in the wanted section of the classifieds. If you are looking for new, then links to speakers is acceptable.

S~
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Sorry, I didn't know. I will post it in the wanteds.
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Hello,

I have Mini Monitor v6 and a cc-390 v6 center, damn its huge. I am buying 2 subs, SVS PB12 NSDs, but need rear speakers. What recommendations do we have for rear speakers? Since I am buying new subs that will last a long time, I want the rears to be in a sense future proof if I decide to upgrade my LRC. Was in the 200-300 budget but willing to stretch if needed.

Thanks

Michael
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Hello,

I have Mini Monitor v6 and a cc-390 v6 center, damn its huge. I am buying 2 subs, SVS PB12 NSDs, but need rear speakers. What recommendations do we have for rear speakers? Since I am buying new subs that will last a long time, I want the rears to be in a sense future proof if I decide to upgrade my LRC. Was in the 200-300 budget but willing to stretch if needed.

Thanks

Michael

Atom monitors would be great.
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^ I agree completely! I had them for surrounds until a few months ago and yes, they are great!
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Well crap! I went to my dealer today to listen to the 690 since I had yet to hear it but had read a ton of great reviews. Fell in love with it! I have listened to a lot of centers over the last month and this one is by far my favorite. Big problem though. He also got a new pair of Studio 100's which I did not want to hear because I knew I would want them. After an hour and a half of listening to both the 60's and 100's I really liked what the 100's added. I am not good at describing audio but they seemed to fill the room better, a few times I thought he had all 5 speakers playing. So is it worth an extra $800 (total not per unit) to go to the 100's? Part of me is trying to sell myself that I am future proofing my system but that eats up my budget for my amp (I guess I could get that down the road)rolleyes.gif  

Any thoughts or been in a similar situation?

Wanted some info on your experience with the 690, I have had my 100's and 690 for a week now, and can say that I love the 100's but the 690 I am still trying to figure out.
I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 with a Emotiva XPA-5, I have my 690 set at 80hz with the individual level at +.5, it puts out alot of sound but for me the actual voices seem
to be like they are slightly muffled or just not that crisp. It can vary with the different source material but with Brays it just seems not as clear.
I have the 690 on a stand right in front of the tv about 13 inches off the ground and using the feet to raise the tilt and I am about 10 ft. from the speaker.
I have been switching back and forth on the EQ settings on the Yamaha from Natural to Through and so far the Natural has made some difference.
Can it be that the speaker needs more "break in" time or is just a sound I have to get used too?
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Wanted some info on your experience with the 690, I have had my 100's and 690 for a week now, and can say that I love the 100's but the 690 I am still trying to figure out.
I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 with a Emotiva XPA-5, I have my 690 set at 80hz with the individual level at +.5, it puts out alot of sound but for me the actual voices seem
to be like they are slightly muffled or just not that crisp. It can vary with the different source material but with Brays it just seems not as clear.
I have the 690 on a stand right in front of the tv about 13 inches off the ground and using the feet to raise the tilt and I am about 10 ft. from the speaker.
I have been switching back and forth on the EQ settings on the Yamaha from Natural to Through and so far the Natural has made some difference.
Can it be that the speaker needs more "break in" time or is just a sound I have to get used too?

 

 

     maybe room acoustics.. do you have good acoustic treatments?     try turning up the center channel volume 2 or 3 db .. I play with it going from different tv channels or bd..


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Wanted some info on your experience with the 690, I have had my 100's and 690 for a week now, and can say that I love the 100's but the 690 I am still trying to figure out.
I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 with a Emotiva XPA-5, I have my 690 set at 80hz with the individual level at +.5, it puts out alot of sound but for me the actual voices seem
to be like they are slightly muffled or just not that crisp. It can vary with the different source material but with Brays it just seems not as clear.
I have the 690 on a stand right in front of the tv about 13 inches off the ground and using the feet to raise the tilt and I am about 10 ft. from the speaker.
I have been switching back and forth on the EQ settings on the Yamaha from Natural to Through and so far the Natural has made some difference.
Can it be that the speaker needs more "break in" time or is just a sound I have to get used too?

I roll my C3 over at 60 hz, so you might try lowering the cross-over and seeing if the sound appears more full. Whenever I've thought my speakers sound muffled in the past it's because the cross-over was too high. For example, a speaker designed to play @ 100Hz was being crossed over by Audyssey at 120Hz, which made them sound really muffled. Lowered back to 100Hz and it was great. Break in is likely not as long as you think. One of my speakers pairs was a demo model, so already well broken in. I still found my ears needed to adjust and get used to the sound from the speaker. It was unlike any speaker I had owned before.
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Rusty give the 690 time to break in. It really is an amazing speaker. Does your equipment allow full adjustment for the centre? Such as bass, treble, db gain, x-over, etc?
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Wanted some info on your experience with the 690, I have had my 100's and 690 for a week now, and can say that I love the 100's but the 690 I am still trying to figure out.
I am using a Yamaha CX-A5000 with a Emotiva XPA-5, I have my 690 set at 80hz with the individual level at +.5, it puts out alot of sound but for me the actual voices seem
to be like they are slightly muffled or just not that crisp. It can vary with the different source material but with Brays it just seems not as clear.
I have the 690 on a stand right in front of the tv about 13 inches off the ground and using the feet to raise the tilt and I am about 10 ft. from the speaker.
I have been switching back and forth on the EQ settings on the Yamaha from Natural to Through and so far the Natural has made some difference.
Can it be that the speaker needs more "break in" time or is just a sound I have to get used too?

I am picking up mine today........not sure when I will get them installed though. I would listen to some white noise while adjusting volume and listen to all three speakers .......... they should sound virtually the same........in tone.

Play some music and movies and stick your ear up against each and every driver..........make sure there is sound from each and that it sounds normal........no crackling etc. I always do this with new speakers, found a bad lower bass driver (so I thought) on an Energy RC-70........turned out it was the crossover. I did not really hear anything wrong with the RC-70 playback ...... but just wanted to check for function and I am glad I did.........they went back to Future Shop (that was 6 or 7 years ago).

I think a few people had a bad midrange on their CC690 .......discussed in this thread.......awhile back. Maybe others who know about it can chime in. I think 13" off the ground is a little low........might be a contributing factor.
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