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post #10831 of 10847 Old 10-15-2014, 11:57 AM
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Would they be a downgrade from the Three's? Using them as my L/R?
That would actually be a 'preference' thing. Some actually like the AT's better because of the output (has more than the Threes). My 'preference' is for the Threes/Fours as I like the mid-range much better. The only way to know for yourself is to just try it. I had AT's for a little while and could easily compare them to the Threes and Fours, they are at a friends house now (she wanted towers and thought the Fours were a bit too big). So, for me, this is the comparison:

Threes: Go deeper, better mid-range, and a bit better on the sound stage (wider and deeper). But, bass would not matter if mated to a sub.
AT's: Better output, more mellow mid-range.

Bottom line would be for you to compare in your room. Keep us posted on what you think, I'd be curious.

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I'll have to hook them up and give them a try.

I do have a sub, actually 2 of them (Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX).

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Yes, I recall you mentioning that before. They are great subs! Do give them a try, it's really a preference thing as is most speakers.

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In another thread they said my weak point is my center and that a Three bookshelf would be better. Is that right?

I don't know if I'm bored with my current setup or what it is exactly. If I were to sell and move on what should I look in to? or maybe just upgrade my subs? I do enjoy the sound of my speakers.

I am planning on hooking up my AT's this weekend and giving them a try.

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The Threes are so good, you could spend a lot of time and money, and end up with something that's only marginally better.

How are you setup for sources / source gear? Do you have your collection of music available on a network or drive, and access to it via your system? How about internet sources of music?

Mess around with headphones for a while? No speaker can do what they do.

How about some new music? Or something ...
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In another thread they said my weak point is my center and that a Three bookshelf would be better. Is that right?

I don't know if I'm bored with my current setup or what it is exactly. If I were to sell and move on what should I look in to? or maybe just upgrade my subs? I do enjoy the sound of my speakers.

I am planning on hooking up my AT's this weekend and giving them a try.
Randall,

What are you using as a center? If not the Three C, then I would have to agree. The other centers from NHT are MTM designs (like the majority of centers out there) and that design is terrible since it creates lobbing issues. The Three C does not have those issues since there is an extra mid-range to off-set the tweeter from being directly in the middle. Also, the Three C matches the Threes with the same drivers so make is much better for blending (and it's just a MUCH better center than the others). You do owe it to yourself to try the Three C, regardless of what you like better with the Threes or AT's.

As Buzzy mentioned, you really would be hard pressed to find a better speaker at the price (or eve much higher). Stereophile actually rated the Threes as the best speakers that existed under $1000. I've listened to many speakers, some a lot more expensive than the Threes and liked the Threes more (there are quite a few other speakers I could live with from several companies that I did like within the same price rage as NHT - such as PSB, Focal, Monitor Audio and some others) but in the end I stayed with NHT for the price/performance ratio (again, my preference).

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The Threes are so good, you could spend a lot of time and money, and end up with something that's only marginally better.

How are you setup for sources / source gear? Do you have your collection of music available on a network or drive, and access to it via your system? How about internet sources of music?

Mess around with headphones for a while? No speaker can do what they do.

How about some new music? Or something ...
I was looking at KEF speakers but just like NHT there isn't a place anywhere around me where I could demo or even compare them.

Internet and digital: iTunes/Spotify (premium)

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Randall,

What are you using as a center? If not the Three C, then I would have to agree. The other centers from NHT are MTM designs (like the majority of centers out there) and that design is terrible since it creates lobbing issues. The Three C does not have those issues since there is an extra mid-range to off-set the tweeter from being directly in the middle. Also, the Three C matches the Threes with the same drivers so make is much better for blending (and it's just a MUCH better center than the others). You do owe it to yourself to try the Three C, regardless of what you like better with the Threes or AT's.

As Buzzy mentioned, you really would be hard pressed to find a better speaker at the price (or eve much higher). Stereophile actually rated the Threes as the best speakers that existed under $1000. I've listened to many speakers, some a lot more expensive than the Threes and liked the Threes more (there are quite a few other speakers I could live with from several companies that I did like within the same price rage as NHT - such as PSB, Focal, Monitor Audio and some others) but in the end I stayed with NHT for the price/performance ratio (again, my preference).
I am using a ThreeC as my center. That's why I was confused when they said a Three bookshelf would sound better.

I didn't know they were rated the best under $1,000. I know I don't want to spend that much money right now and if it'll only get a little better. I might as well keep these and look to upgrade something else.

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I am using a ThreeC as my center. That's why I was confused when they said a Three bookshelf would sound better.

I didn't know they were rated the best under $1,000. I know I don't want to spend that much money right now and if it'll only get a little better. I might as well keep these and look to upgrade something else.
IMO, you have one of the best center channels for the price. It's made well, matches the drivers of the Trees ( which are great) and a very good XO. The Three may get a bit lower than the Three C for the bass, but not an issue with the XO set correctly and the Three C has more output due to the dual drivers (above 75 Hz). It's a great speaker! You would have to pay a LOT more to get better (and not by much).

Are there better speakers - well, yes. But you'll have to pay quite a bit to get a lot more benefit (or a lot to get only marginal benefit IMO in many cases - we did some blind testing with the Fours against the B&W 802D's, and most of us in the group preferred the Fours, keep in mind, the Fours are ~$2000, and the 802D's $14,000).

As for the Threes, here are some reviews for you to read:

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/n...ssic_three.htm

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/mea...classic_three/ (Measurements - pretty impressive)

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...e-loudspeaker/

http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...nht/index.html

http://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf...ers/conclusion
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Thanks for the help. I do enjoy listening to these speakers. Maybe I'll look into upgrading my subs instead?

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Thanks for the help. I do enjoy listening to these speakers. Maybe I'll look into upgrading my subs instead?
Actually a sub upgrade can make a huge difference. Again, preference will come into play. I very much prefer the sound of sealed subs - much tighter and more defined IMO. Again my preference. Greater output and usually lower extension goes to ported subs, but for me a sealed sub just sounds much better (and yes, I have heard many and have both types in my home - but only sealed for the media room and editing room).

Check out the ones from SVS sound and PSA (there are more out there of course).

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box

The SB13-Ultra is awesome, but pretty expensive.


http://www.powersoundaudio.com/colle...roducts/xs15se
http://www.powersoundaudio.com/colle...products/triax (awesome, but pretty expensive!)

Of course NHT's subs are also sealed, but I think you'll get more bang for the buck with SVS or PSA

There are others:

Monitor Audio W12
JL Audio E-Sub e112 ($2000 from Crutchfield or AudioAdvisor)

If you prefer ported, there are LOTs of them, including those from SVS and PSA

If one of your friends has a decent sealed sub, you should borrow it and try it (you'll have to re-run your room correction of course). Also, I find after calibration, I run my sealed subs 3db hot (not that much, you can add more if you're a bass head).

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Only one of my friends has a "system" and its BOSE, so he doesn't have anything worth comparing to. I did switch my Outlaw subs to ME (max extension) mode. When I first got these subs I didn't like the way it sounded but now it sounds better to me? Not sure what has changed?

I was looking at changing to a sealed sub. SVS was at the top of the list but haven't decided to pull the trigger on anything.

I only went with a ported sub because my room is pretty big 20x18 and 8.5' to 11' sloped ceiling.

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Randall,

Actually that's not that big of a room for sealed subs if using two of them. Even one of the SVS SB13-Ultras would fill it pretty well (very good driver with an amp that is 1000 watts RMS and 3600 peak). You'd be surprised at what it could do.

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My only thing is would it be a noticeable increase over my current setup. It's semi-open to a galley style kitchen. I didn't take that into account but it's not all that big.

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My only thing is would it be a noticeable increase over my current setup. It's semi-open to a galley style kitchen. I didn't take that into account but it's not all that big.
To be honest Randall, only you could judge whether it would be worth the upgrade. For me, yes, it would be a noticeable increase as I really like the solid sound of sealed subs, but ported subs can be great also. You have two subs at the moment, both of which combined are the cost of one SVS SB13-Ultra. If looks matter, the SVS SB13-Ultra is impeccable! Even though it has a little bit larger driver than your current subs, the box is actually very compact and smaller (although heavier), but very powerful (the LFM-1 has 340W RMS, and the SB13-Ultra has 1000W RMS). There is a LOT of preference a play here.

Here's the catch, with SVS, you get free shipping AND free Return shipping with a 45 day trial. You could easily get one (providing funds are ok - not cheep) and try it in your room. You'll have to re-run your room correction as it will be very different than your current subs. Then only you can tell.

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I won't deny that they're very nice looking. They'd look really good with the NHT speakers.

My problem is, there is so many options for subs/speakers in general and no one around me has some to demo or even listen to (friends/family/store etc..) I looked at Reaction Audio and they have a 1000w 15" sub but haven't been around as long as SVS... Just so many options. Probably going to try and get my current subs so I'm happy with them for the time being.

When a average HT type person upgrades. How much do they upgrade (price wise). Like if your current L/C/R cost $500 what would be a next step up? double in price?
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That's too bad you don't have the options around you to listen to other systems. It really does help to have that ability. Yes, there are a LOT of options. When it comes to speakers, it can be very subjective.

Having said that, you have a great system and probably would not be able to better the sound if you were to spend twice the amount of money for your speakers (the sub would be the main one to upgrade - even that, you have very good ones).

The bottom line is, with your system, the best bang for the buck for improvement are:

1) Speaker placement optimization (sometimes this can be confined to aesthetic options also).

2) Sub placement optimization, this is very critical as it does not take much of a movement to change the quality of the sound. The best places to start are usually 1/2 room width/length or 1/4 width/length - gives the best solid sound without increasing boominess. You can find many threads here on AVS just on optimization of your speakers.

3) Room treatment (this cannot be understated). The room is the biggest part of the equation. Aside from having good speakers (which you have) room treatment can be the biggest change you can make for the amount of money. Again, there are some threads just on this.

Beyond that, electronics won't change too much (as long as working within their design parameters). Room correction can help a lot, but speaker placement and room treatments will make the biggest improvements.
It is understandable that this can be difficult though, as aesthetics (WAF) comes into factor for most. Some can be made to look like art which can really help.

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