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I saw a pretty screaming deal for a Pioneer VSX-1124 so I went ahead and bought it. Initially I was going to wait until next years Denons came out and was going to get an X4100 equivalent. The VSX-820 needed to be re-purposed for a room that needs a two channel amp so I had a choice to make, and well, it looks like the 1124 will now be powering the NHT's. I'm pretty exicted! One question I had is what I should set the crossover to for the Classic Twos? What about the TwoC?
I run my Absolute Center and my Classic Twos at 80Hz. Audyssey set them at 60Hz but I changed them manually. It sounds great.

Adjusting settings according to personal preference is not calibration.

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Watched a movie at near reference level (-5) and holy hanna! I turned it down about halfway through the movie. I'm going to get another chance to try another movie this week while my wife is out of town.
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Watched a movie at near reference level (-5) and holy hanna! I turned it down about halfway through the movie. I'm going to get another chance to try another movie this week while my wife is out of town.
Pretty Awesome, isn't it!!! Now you know what your speakers can do, and you can actually go to reference (0) if you want to try for a couple minutes. Keep us posted, glad you finally heard what they are capable of.
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They were amazing. They played loud, clear and just WOW. They didn't seem to struggle at all and my receiver didn't get warm.

My wife and I are looking at possibly selling our house and moving. Only problem is the house we are interested the living room wouldn't work for my setup BUT there is more bedrooms then we need. So I could use one as a dedicated HT room. Would these speakers be too much for a medium sized bedroom?

**One thing I did notice while watching the movie was I think I want to try sealed subwoofers. The ports were making some noise while listening at that level. When I watch a movie this week I'm going to leave both ports open and see if it sounds better.
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They were amazing. They played loud, clear and just WOW. They didn't seem to struggle at all and my receiver didn't get warm.

My wife and I are looking at possibly selling our house and moving. Only problem is the house we are interested the living room wouldn't work for my setup BUT there is more bedrooms then we need. So I could use one as a dedicated HT room. Would these speakers be too much for a medium sized bedroom?

**One thing I did notice while watching the movie was I think I want to try sealed subwoofers. The ports were making some noise while listening at that level. When I watch a movie this week I'm going to leave both ports open and see if it sounds better.
Randall,

It 'might' help to open more ports, but that is actually common when pushing ported subs (especially if you sit close enough to hear the port noise).

I would not think it would be an issue to use the speakers in a smaller room, they would be just fine. Our dedicated room is very small and I'm using Fours as the L/R and they do great in there (had to do acoustical treatments, but that is something that will help any room). Having a dedicated room is actually great as you can do what you want with it (barring WAF). Ours is painted black (great for video), and fully treated acoustically to take care of most reflections. You'll actually have your Man Cave, quite nice even if small.

Really glad you're finally pushing your system! Power really wakes up NHT's and as long as you're not pushing your AVR past is limits, it's totally fine. I actually pushed the Threes in the past with an outboard Amp rated at 300 watts/channel (only drove it with ~125 watts each keeping track of power with a kill-a-watt) and they never strained. I had to wear earplugs. Now, in a very large room, they probably would't cut it. You have to keep in mind that if you increase the area of a room by double, it requires quadruple the acoustical power to maintain the same sound level at the same listening distance. For most of us though, I don't think that room size would be an issue for the majority of speakers out there.

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How large is your room? What are you running in there? I think the room was 10x12 or so. It is probably larger, I'm just going on the smaller side.

If we do move the plan is to use the Absolute towers and the Outlaw subs in the living room for a 2.2 setup.
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How large is your room? What are you running in there? I think the room was 10x12 or so. It is probably larger, I'm just going on the smaller side.

If we do move the plan is to use the Absolute towers and the Outlaw subs in the living room for a 2.2 setup.
That would be great for a 2.2 setup!

As for the room, it's SMALL. It's an extra room that is 11 x 12 and very packed! I'm running a 11.2 system in there, all NHT. It works great because it's dedicated and no need to worry too much about aesthetics. Our living room only has a 2.1 system (just the speakers, the equipment is placed in the Media Room).

Front L/F: Fours
Center: Three C
Surround: Threes
Wides: Twos
Heights: Absolute Zero
Rears: Absolute Wall
Subs: 2 x W1's (each with it's own X1 that has the 20Hz mod - without the mod it only went down to 26 Hz, with the mod, it's flat to 20Hz which is fine for the room). Subs are placed near field right behind the couch at 1/4 and 3/4 spaces (usually one of the best spots - 1/2 spaces also work great, you don't get the boomy room boundary gain that way).

Here are a couple pictures. This is using a very bright flash as it's very dark in the room (the flash even shows through the cloth of some of the acoustical treatments, but it's not visible under normal conditions).

Listed: Front of room with flash, no flash, rear of room with flash.
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Watched a movie at near reference level (-5) and holy hanna! I turned it down about halfway through the movie. I'm going to get another chance to try another movie this week while my wife is out of town.
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Pretty Awesome, isn't it!!! Now you know what your speakers can do, and you can actually go to reference (0) if you want to try for a couple minutes. Keep us posted, glad you finally heard what they are capable of.
That's great!!!

Ok I just bought a new Pioneer VSX-1124-K. I ran MCACC and it set the front left to +4db and the rest of them to +2-3db. It set the sub to -1db. As a result of this (feeling that everything is symmetrical) I manually set everything to 0db. MCACC did, however, set the speaker distances to the appropriate feet/inches. Anyhow, I noticed during a movie last night that I was worried to push it beyond -15db. I felt like anymore would blow a speaker. Any suggestions?

Note: I have all speakers set to small with the crossover to 80hz. I have the sub set to LFE/phase 0/about 2 o'clock.

I'm new to this receiver so am still trying to get used to it but so far am very impressed with its performance and increased power output compared to the VSX-820-K.

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That's great!!!

Ok I just bought a new Pioneer VSX-1124-K. I ran MCACC and it set the front left to +4db and the rest of them to +2-3db. It set the sub to -1db. As a result of this (feeling that everything is symmetrical) I manually set everything to 0db. MCACC did, however, set the speaker distances to the appropriate feet/inches. Anyhow, I noticed during a movie last night that I was worried to push it beyond -15db. I felt like anymore would blow a speaker. Any suggestions?

Note: I have all speakers set to small with the crossover to 80hz. I have the sub set to LFE/phase 0/about 2 o'clock.

I'm new to this receiver so am still trying to get used to it but so far am very impressed with its performance and increased power output compared to the VSX-820-K.
Looks like you have set the crossovers correctly. I think you can push it louder though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but MCACC sets the reference level of 85db when set to '0' like Audyssey does, correct? It didn't in the past, but the newer renditions do. If so, you're not using a fraction of the power at -15 unless your room is super large.

Another thing about the levels. MCACC most likely set them correctly (if your MLP measurement is symmetrical to your speakers). Keep in mind, there is NO room that is symmetrical - unless all your furniture is exactly the same from left to right, you have exactly the same windows on the left and right, and the door is perfectly in the middle. Some people build a dedicated room in which they can create that symmetry, but room of most normal houses will not have that and it will change the acoustics quite a lot. I'm not being demeaning or condescending to you (please don't take it wrong), just want to make it clear there is a lot when it comes to acoustics. I use to set all my measurements in the past to the same and then now just stick to what the RC sets the levels at as it's most likely correct since it's an acoustical measurement and not a physical one. The only level I do change is the sub, I like it a bit hotter by +3db. I have also confirmed using a calibrated SPL meter and the AVR does pretty good. Also using REW with a calibrated mic gives close to same results.

So for the levels as an example, my speakers are set pretty accurately within 1/8 of an inch as far as symmetry to the MLP and I use a laser level when I mounted speakers (stands and wall mounts) and also used a laser for setting the angles (yes, I'm very anal about it). But, because of the issues of room symmetry I mentioned above, these are my levels that Audyssey set (actual acoustical distance and trim levels): Attached.

The sub is near field as I mentioned before, so both of them have the same value. But, notice the variation in the trim levels. Pairs of speakers are close (within 0.5db), but to each other, the variation is larger. The crossovers I of course raised as most of the speakers register as large (and the Fours can actually play as large, but I raise the XO to 60Hz even though it'll play down to 25 Hz in my room with no problem. Attached are the 'rough' graphs of before/after shots using Audyssey Pro. Black is measured response in room for each speaker and to the right of each one in red is the corrected response (within the limits of plus/minus 12 db that Audyssey allowes).

Hope that makes sense.

Have fun with your new AVR!!!
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That would be great for a 2.2 setup!

As for the room, it's SMALL. It's an extra room that is 11 x 12 and very packed! I'm running a 11.2 system in there, all NHT. It works great because it's dedicated and no need to worry too much about aesthetics. Our living room only has a 2.1 system (just the speakers, the equipment is placed in the Media Room).

Front L/F: Fours
Center: Three C
Surround: Threes
Wides: Twos
Heights: Absolute Zero
Rears: Absolute Wall
Subs: 2 x W1's (each with it's own X1 that has the 20Hz mod - without the mod it only went down to 26 Hz, with the mod, it's flat to 20Hz which is fine for the room). Subs are placed near field right behind the couch at 1/4 and 3/4 spaces (usually one of the best spots - 1/2 spaces also work great, you don't get the boomy room boundary gain that way).

Here are a couple pictures. This is using a very bright flash as it's very dark in the room (the flash even shows through the cloth of some of the acoustical treatments, but it's not visible under normal conditions).

Listed: Front of room with flash, no flash, rear of room with flash.
Wow, that is packed in there. You just answered my next question without even knowing it. I was going to say is that size room too small for 7/9.2? It took me a few seconds to find the rear speakers, they blend right in to the wall.
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Wow, that is packed in there. You just answered my next question without even knowing it. I was going to say is that size room too small for 7/9.2? It took me a few seconds to find the rear speakers, they blend right in to the wall.
Yes, very packed but works quite well due to acoustical treatments. Someday in the not to far future we plan on moving to another (larger) home and I plan to build a dedicated media room that is larger.

The 'rear' speakers are not actually in the rear, but as you can see, up high on the sides (still behind the couch). They still work fine there once room correction is done. I do plan on upgrading to Atmos and if still in this room, I'll need to replace the rears with 'rear heights' which will be just in front of the couch. The front heights would just need to be moved slightly forward of their current position (so a 7.2.4 or a 9.2.4). I've been waiting to see how Atmos has been panning out and it looks great so far.

I don't think you'll have any problem putting a 7.2 or 9.2 system in the room you're talking about. All of the NHT speakers (except for the Fours) have a small footprint and won't be an issue to install. My son's bedroom is only 10x10 and has a 5.1 system using Pinnacle BD speakers (got them for a great price) and they work great - about the size of the Twos. He's only 8 and extremely good with electronics. But because some of his friends are not (they'd poke the drivers out) I installed them high on his cabinet and angled them down. Picture attached. The rears are the smaller brothers mounted at ceiling height (size of the Zeros). His room is a planetarium (reason for the dark room) which can't be seen from this picture, but the other walls and ceiling are full of stars, galaxies, and the solar system of course.
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