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@Cav , so new models will be out this Fall? As I said above, I just got an email about new Denon series "S" and they start at under $500 with Atmos. I'd be interested in having that as an option. Now that I've got the speakers I want, I feel like I should upgrade my receiver to get the best room correction available. Any idea what the price point will be at or around? Maybe 900+?
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@Cav , so new models will be out this Fall? As I said above, I just got an email about new Denon series "S" and they start at under $500 with Atmos. I'd be interested in having that as an option. Now that I've got the speakers I want, I feel like I should upgrade my receiver to get the best room correction available. Any idea what the price point will be at or around? Maybe 900+?
Looks like they are coming out now like you said, some are updated versions of the previous ones adding Atmos. So, the AVR-X7200 is not the AVR-X7200WA.

AVR-X7200WA = $2999
AVR-X2200W = $799
AVR-X1200W = $599
AVR-S910W = $599
AVR-S510BT = $299

These are MSRP of course and can be had for street value that is cheaper. You can contact the AVS store as they are a qualified D&M dealer (Denon/Marantz) and will give a better price. I usually like having a minimum of the 4xxxx series and above to get most of the bells and whistles. It doesn't look like they have the 3xxx, 4xxx and the 5xxxx series yet. The X7200WA is their flagship at the moment. The other I suspect will be out soon.

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I'm seriously contemplating an upgrade to the X4200 which will include XT32.... they are supposed to be announced this August.

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I'm seriously contemplating an upgrade to the X4200 which will include XT32.... they are supposed to be announced this August.
Is there specs on it somewhere?
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Is there specs on it somewhere?
I've been following this thread for a few weeks. Any info on it will eventually get updated to the threads first page.
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Ricky,

They also have stands that fit the Sib's:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ck-pair/1.html

That would excellent for placement flexibility.

I actually want a pair of the Sib's for my son's computer now, they look excellent for that and the price is great.
This Sib (5 of them) plus Cub3 sub ($499 retail, $249 on sale) for only $499 is actually a better deal than the Sib in pairs! I think I'm gonna order the package and use 6 Sibs (2 for rears, and 4 for Atmos), save 1 sib and cub3 for later. I would return one of the sib pairs I just ordered and sell my current Energy RC10 rears.


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I'm seriously contemplating an upgrade to the X4200 which will include XT32.... they are supposed to be announced this August.
Have you considered getting a 4311ci available as discontinued new...or used?
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Have you considered getting a 4311ci available as discontinued new...or used?
I haven't. The reason being is HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 the later being less important. I use an HTPC exclusively for media and BD playback. The display is essentially a monitor. My next set will undoubtedly be 4k and I'll need increased HDMI bandwidth for 60fps gaming and 48p movies.
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I haven't. The reason being is HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 the later being less important. I use an HTPC exclusively for media and BD playback. The display is essentially a monitor. My next set will undoubtedly be 4k and I'll need increased HDMI bandwidth for 60fps gaming and 48p movies.
Did you just buy a Sharp TV? I was looking through the thread and it looked like you had some problems.
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Did you just buy a Sharp TV? I was looking through the thread and it looked like you had some problems.
Oh yeah the Sharp TV I bought last March (2014) is the SQ quasi 4k and it's an absolute piece of crap. I'm working with some forum members in the HCFR thread trying to get it properly calibrated. Things aren't looking too good.... dE for practically every color is too high and things either look over-saturated (too orange) or blacks clip. I wish I would have bought a Vizio M series or Samsung (not purchasing the F8500 is a regret).

The next set will likely be one that members say calibrates well and has an established reputation at doing so. I'm not going after over stated gimmicks too like how the SQ was advertised as effectively producing a 4k resolution.

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Oh yeah the Sharp TV I bought last March (2014) is the SQ quasi 4k and it's an absolute piece of crap. I'm working with some forum members in the HCFR thread trying to get it properly calibrated. Things aren't looking too good.... dE for practically every color is too high and things either look over-saturated (too orange) or blacks clip. I wish I would have bought a Vizio M series or Samsung (not purchasing the F8500 is a regret).

The next set will likely be one that members say calibrates well and has an established reputation at doing so. I'm not going after over stated gimmicks too like how the SQ was advertised as effectively producing a 4k resolution.
Wow, that sucks. I was looking into those newer Sharp 80" models. Should I be worried?

It's still weird to me that Vizio is being recommended, still seems like a "cheap" brand. Is it all Vizio M series , even the 80"? I know it's edge lit compared to the other sizes.

Looking to pick a new set up in a month or so... Still have my eve on the Sony KDL75850C, price looks good and rtings review doesn't look bad either.
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I wouldn't be worried just see what the experts say.

Vizio is continually getting good reviews for PQ. They have had other issues but the PQ seems to be consistent.

Check out the results to the value electronics shootout on the homepage. The 78 inch Samsung looks good.
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What Samsung model are you talking about? I found one 78" but it came out a couple years ago I believe.
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Does anyone know of any NHT dealers in the SF bay area? The dealer search on the NHT website is broken, and they didn't respond to an email I sent them last week.

Too bad they closed their own showroom in Benicia. It would have been great to be able to go there, listen to the Absolute Towers, and drive home with a pair

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Does anyone know of any NHT dealers in the SF bay area? The dealer search on the NHT website is broken, and they didn't respond to an email I sent them last week.

Too bad they closed their own showroom in Benicia. It would have been great to be able to go there, listen to the Absolute Towers, and drive home with a pair
Are you looking to buy some Absolute towers? If so, I may know someone with some basically brand new ones for sale. Roughly 10 hours on them.
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Are you looking to buy some Absolute towers? If so, I may know someone with some basically brand new ones for sale. Roughly 10 hours on them.
I'm considering it but not strongly enough to buy them unseen/unheard. I want to check them out before making the decision. I am aware of the 30-day trial period but don't want to deal with shipping. Thanks for your reply!

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What Samsung model are you talking about? I found one 78" but it came out a couple years ago I believe.
Here is the link to the value electronics shootout. It's the Samsung UN78JS9500. It is pretty expensive. I saw a 75" Samsung model at Sam's Club that looked pretty good. It was a more affordable 4k set (I think it was in the mid 3k range).

I'm not totally opposed to the Sharps. I actually have been getting a lot of help with members over at the HCFR thread in an attempt to help me properly calibrate my Sharp SQ. I recently was able to get pretty good results with my meter and saturation levels are now tolerable. If you aren't going to calibrate your set with a meter and laptop/HCFR then it probably isn't going to bother you much how accurate colors end up. I've turned into quite the videophile recently (shortly after becoming an audiophile )

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I'm considering it but not strongly enough to buy them unseen/unheard. I want to check them out before making the decision. I am aware of the 30-day trial period but don't want to deal with shipping. Thanks for your reply!
Just thought I'd throw it out there. If you change your mind let me know. They were in my game room and sound amazing but it's now our formal dining room and we no longer need them in there.

*Was trying to convince the other half to allow them in the living room as wides BUT don't think that'll go over lol.
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Here is the link to the value electronics shootout. It's the Samsung UN78JS9500. It is pretty expensive. I saw a 75" Samsung model at Sam's Club that looked pretty good. It was a more affordable 4k set (I think it was in the mid 3k range).

I'm not totally opposed to the Sharps. I actually have been getting a lot of help with members over at the HCFR thread in an attempt to help me properly calibrate my Sharp SQ. I recently was able to get pretty good results with my meter and saturation levels are now tolerable. If you aren't going to calibrate your set with a meter and laptop/HCFR then it probably isn't going to bother you much how accurate colors end up. I've turned into quite the videophile recently (shortly after becoming an audiophile )
10k I think I'll pass on that one. Those are dream prices, but even if I could afford it, I'd probably still look for a cheaper option.

I haven't really dug that deep into calibrating my TV's. I bought WOW and used that, then when I had my TVs professionally installed they calibrated them at the same time. How much time have you spent tweaking/calibrating your set? I'm pretty busy so hopefully whatever I decide to buy, I can get it all setup within a weekends time.

You are right, Vizio M series seems to get really good reviews. I don't believe the 80" is FALD though? I haven't found any 80" specific reviews.
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I've probably tinkered around with my meter on my Sharp for close to 40 hours now. Now that I've learned how to do it though it would probably only take an hour or so.

It took my about 45 mins to calibrate my mom's Samsung LCD... although it didn't have a CMS. The results, however, were very pleasing!
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Just thought I'd throw it out there. If you change your mind let me know. They were in my game room and sound amazing but it's now our formal dining room and we no longer need them in there.

*Was trying to convince the other half to allow them in the living room as wides BUT don't think that'll go over lol.
That would be awesome for wides!

Willieconway, they are pretty nice speakers and I doubt you'd be disappointed. I do understand having to listen to them though.

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Jhughy,

What colorimeter are you using? Just curious. I'm using the X-Rite i1Display Pro, not the best, but pretty decent for home video calibration use (mostly used to make sure all our computer monitors are 'seeing' the same thing for Photoshop and video editing. I do calibrate our other displays since I have it. I'm just using the included i1Profiler and Pantone color manager that came with it. Works pretty well and fairly quick for calibration.

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Jhughy,

What colorimeter are you using? Just curious. I'm using the X-Rite i1Display Pro, not the best, but pretty decent for home video calibration use (mostly used to make sure all our computer monitors are 'seeing' the same thing for Photoshop and video editing. I do calibrate our other displays since I have it. I'm just using the included i1Profiler and Pantone color manager that came with it. Works pretty well and fairly quick for calibration.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...orChecker.html
I'm using the same meter... for the price it is excellent. Try HCFR when you have a chance. It's an awesome piece of open source professional calibration software.
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I'm using the same meter... for the price it is excellent. Try HCFR when you have a chance. It's an awesome piece of open source professional calibration software.
Thanks! I'll download and play with it as soon as I have some time. Looks like developers through sourceforge (have downloaded other software from them before).

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... Willieconway, they are pretty nice speakers and I doubt you'd be disappointed. I do understand having to listen to them though.
I had Classic Twos at some point and was a bit undecided on them. I went back and forth between thinking they sounded fine and thinking they sounded "flat". I'd really like a pair of ATs but I want to be sure that I like them better than I liked the Twos. Also, I want to see how they look first.

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I had Classic Twos at some point and was a bit undecided on them. I went back and forth between thinking they sounded fine and thinking they sounded "flat". I'd really like a pair of ATs but I want to be sure that I like them better than I liked the Twos. Also, I want to see how they look first.
Can't argue with that.

The AT's are much better than the Twos IMO (as are the Threes/Fours). But, speakers are one of the items in the audio chain that really are subjective. You do have an idea on the NHT sound.

You can also look at SVS, their Prime towers are in the same price range. Both will need a sub to dig down deep, but the SVS Primes go a couple octaves lower than the NHT AT's if not using a sub.
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Can't argue with that.

The AT's are much better than the Twos IMO (as are the Threes/Fours). But, speakers are one of the items in the audio chain that really are subjective. You do have an idea on the NHT sound.

You can also look at SVS, their Prime towers are in the same price range. Both will need a sub to dig down deep, but the SVS Primes go a couple octaves lower than the NHT AT's if not using a sub.
I've seen similar comments about the Twos versus the others before. I was perfectly happy with the Absolute Center (which I still have), and I'm pleased with my SuperZero 2.1s. The NHT build quality is ridiculous - in a good way - and I do think the Absolute Towers would work for me.

Thanks for the SVS suggestion. I've looked at their Ultra series but I don't really want to bring another brand into the mix. Choosing is difficult enough as it is.

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I had Classic Twos at some point and was a bit undecided on them. I went back and forth between thinking they sounded fine and thinking they sounded "flat". I'd really like a pair of ATs but I want to be sure that I like them better than I liked the Twos. Also, I want to see how they look first.
If you want to see how big they are, I can take a few pics of them next to my Threes and Fours. Just to give you an idea.
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If you want to see how big they are, I can take a few pics of them next to my Threes and Fours. Just to give you an idea.
Thanks Randall, very much appreciated. No need though, I've already had the measuring tape out to see if I have space for them. I should be able to squeeze them in.
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The AT's are actually the same size as the Absolute Zeros, so smaller than the Twos (width and depth), just a 'tall' version with more driver area. The base though is larger of course.

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