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post #991 of 2499 Old 07-23-2006, 01:17 PM
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Anyone out there want to comment on the AS2 system? Also, how are the rears? I don't know if I want anything that big in the back but if they are "great" sounding rears I'd consider them...
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After much debate, I finally purchased a pair of Athena AS-F1. I plan to add a pair of B1.2 and a C1.2 center. Good choices?! Now i've a few questions!

I am most concerned with the sound quality of music, although I will also use for HT. Room size is about 20 x 25 w/cathedral ceiling.

I have read that the Athena's mate well with Marantz and am looking at the 5600 model, $450.00. Do you feel this receiver is overkill/underkill for the Athena set-up?

I do not see Marantz mentioned as often as NAD, Rotel, HK, Denon, Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha. Is there a reason for this that I have missed?

Which 7.1 receivers in the sub $450 range would you recommend I consider?

Since the system use will be mostly music [70's rock, Stones, Jackson Browne, Boz Scaggs, Springsteen, Tom Petty, Eagles, to name a few], how important is a sub with the above speakers? Am I correct in that one's sub need not match the other speakers?

I know I should listen for myself, but opinions are helpful, especially when buying through internet and cannot listen before purchase.

Thanks for your time!
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I would think along with the Marantz 5600, you might like the Pioneer 1015 and HK 435 in that price range. All 3 are good receivers, it might be a matter of preference for you. I have an HK with my F1's and they sound great together. Doesn't mean the other two brands won't though. Marantz may be just a little less available than brands like HK, Denon, Pioneer, Yammy and Onkyo, you won't see them in big box stores, mainly specialty audio locales. They are a very well regarded product.

That's a big room so you definitely want a sub for movies. As long as you get a sub that's not boomy, it'll be good for music too. And you don't need to get the same brand sub as your other speakers. Look at HSU, SVS, Mirage, Bic Acoustech H100 for starters. Or Athena and Dayton if you're looking for a budget sub. The F1's by themselves do very well with music so you're off to a good start.

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I migrated from Onkyo S780 HTIB to Athena later last year. Here it is what I have right now:

Center: C1
Main: B1
Sub: Onkyo S780 HTIB sub
Surround: Onkyo S780 HTIB main
Receiver: Panasonic XR55

Future upgrade: add F1 as main and move B1 back as surround.

Now I need to decide which sub to upgrade to: Athena AS-P4000 or AV123 X-sub?

Thanks for your advise!
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Thanks for the input, afrogt!

Spent some time forum browsing:

Seems lots of folk own the Pioneer 1015 [$400] and are quite happy with it. No real complaints, although most feel the HK 635 [$450 -$550] is far better for music.

Posters are pleased with the HK 635's sound for both music and HT, but it does have QC issues. Still most feel this is a better unit, especially at the discounted price.

Found no complaints on the Marantz 5600 [$450 refurb], in fact I found very few posts with info on Marantz.

If the Marantz had the auto set-up features, which the others have, I would grab it!

If the HK AVR 635 can be had for $400, i'll take it, but have to ask myself "why"? w/the known QC issues.

If the Pioneer gets less expensive due to being discontinued, I'll give it another look!

Ooops, I was rambling...

Perhaps, I'll just plug those Athena's into a crappy old Yamaha HTR-5440 or Onkyo HT-R510 [both came w/HTIB] and take a listen. THAT should be enough to force me into purchasing one of the above!!!

Still welcome suggestions, input, etc. to this and my prior post!
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I doubt you'll find the HK 635 for $400, but you can find the 435 for that price. Similar features but a little less power. Plenty enough for the Athenas though.

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Guys, I just got a Optoma HD72 and I am getting the Pioneer 1015...I know guys in here are probably biased, but are the Athenas the best bang for my buck? Should I go with the B1.2 for front and surround or go with the S5's...is there really that much of a difference to make the B1's five times the price? As far as a sub goes, I am putting this in a rather large room...16x30 in a basement with 9 foot ceilings...should I go with the 4000 or 6000 subwoofer? THanks in advance for the help! Chris
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Guys, I just got a Optoma HD72 and I am getting the Pioneer 1015...I know guys in here are probably biased, but are the Athenas the best bang for my buck? Should I go with the B1.2 for front and surround or go with the S5's...is there really that much of a difference to make the B1's five times the price? As far as a sub goes, I am putting this in a rather large room...16x30 in a basement with 9 foot ceilings...should I go with the 4000 or 6000 subwoofer? THanks in advance for the help! Chris

If you can live without a warranty, there are some bargains right now on my favorite auction site for new Athenas. Half price on some models. I don't know where all of the supply is coming from,but more than one dealer has the first generation Athena and some of the second generation models too. I just picked up a pair of new AS-B2 for 136.00 delivered. I got a new AS-P400 delivered for 165.00. Not bad, but remember, no warranty.
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What makes the F2 so much better than the F1, the extra woofer? I remember reading the professional reviews of the f2 a few years back and wanting to get a pair for myself. But I got such an incredible on my F1's (under $100/pr clearance, open box) that I never looked back.

I won't be replacing my setup just curious of the sound differences.

The only difference I know of is greater bass extension. F1's are great in small to medium rooms.
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I am really considering the Athenas and my choice is between them and either the Axioms and Paradigms. I am just so skeptical because the cost is so much lower than these other bookshelves. Are they similar in quality???
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I am really considering the Athenas and my choice is between them and either the Axioms and Paradigms. I am just so skeptical because the cost is so much lower than these other bookshelves. Are they similar in quality???

I used to own Paradigm Atoms. I got the Athena B1's, and thew blew the Atoms away.
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If you can live without a warranty, there are some bargains right now on my favorite auction site for new Athenas. Half price on some models. I don't know where all of the supply is coming from,but more than one dealer has the first generation Athena and some of the second generation models too. I just picked up a pair of new AS-B2 for 136.00 delivered. I got a new AS-P400 delivered for 165.00. Not bad, but remember, no warranty.

I can't speak for all of the supply but most are coming from Best Buy. BB must have wholesailed them off I've ordered 2 C1s and a AS-P400 so far and then 2 C1s had BB tape and stamps all over the box.
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I can't speak for all of the supply but most are coming from Best Buy. BB must have wholesailed them off I've ordered 2 C1s and a AS-P400 so far and then 2 C1s had BB tape and stamps all over the box.

yeah, I know some came from Best Buy. Some of the speakers are 4 years old. Hard to believe they would have stock that old. Must have been sitting in a dusty corner.
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Hi all,

I have been reading this board for a while and am building a HT from the ground up but need to finally make a decision, I am looking at getting an Onkyo 603 and Athena B1.2's for fronts and surrounds and the C1.2 for the center.

I am also thinking about the Bic H-100. The system will go with my Samsung 61" DLP currently on order in my finished basement which is a fairly large space 12' x 35' x 7'high. The theater area will be 12x15 but will remain open to the rest of the space. The area is carpeted. I will use the system probably for 80% HT and 20% music.

I had been thinking about the S.5 speakers but then they sold out, my hesitation with the B1.2's is how to install them, I would prefer to avoid stands since I have little kids and I know they can't hang on a wall, has anyone installed small shelves to hold the speakers on either side of a TV? Any suggestions on where to find them? Would it look stupid? I would do the same for the surrounds if it would work.

Should I look at the F1.2's for the LR to avoid the stands? I am trying to figure out if it is worth the extra money since its a big jump in price.

I would really appreciate any help, I have learned a ton from this forum but my Wife is ticked that it is taking such a long time to finalize my decision.

Thanks so much for all of your help so far, it has been invaluable, Scott
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The F1.2 will give you a little better bass response due to the larger encloseur. If your thinking difference in price between the B1s. If you were going to place them on a shelf or something you already had that would hold true. However, you want to create a shelf to place them on the wall. This certainly can be done but at cost of materials, hardware and time for doing it. By the time you factor in this cost the difference is minimal or noone at all. In that big of an area I'd personally go for the F1.2s or even forget the rears right now and move up to the F2.2s than add rears when your budget permits. If you do decide to go with the B1s and mount them remember to leave at least 3" for clearance to the wall as they are rear ported.
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Anyone know of any corners on the internet that is cheaper than everywhere else for buying athena products? I really want to start piecing together my system for my basement so I can have everything by the time I finish the basement. I am debating on the following:

2 x f1 for the fronts
1 x c1 for the center
2 x b1 for the rears.
and a HT-100 Sub



Audioadvisor has some good prices on the b1's but everything else they have is the latest model so its top dollar. I really don't want to spend top dollar as all my money has been pooring into finishing the basement. So I think I am safe buying older revisions of these speakers as they all sound great to me. My budget is pretty slim. I am also thinking of matching these up with the new panasonic XR57 receiver since it does what I need and is a great price.

Any opinions are appreciated.

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So far, I have only seen them on Audioadvisor, *******, and CC online. I am sure they are carried by others. Also ebay is worth a try (not everything there is used.)
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Apparently I am not allowed to mention that site. Let's just say it starts with an o and ends with two l's. (so why is it permitted to say Audioadvisor?)
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Currently have an Onkyo HT-R520 avr (came in the 770 htib) driving a front of B1's, C1, and a P400. (I am one of a very few here that really like the 400. For less than $75, whats not to like?) I was using the rears that came with the 770 in the back.

Just got me (2) of the old B2's for about $115 ($86/$29) shipped. Got into a short bidding war or I could have had them a little cheaper. Now the B1's will go to the rear. All thats left is getting another B1 for the rear.

I was happy with the B1's in the front but couldn't pass up the B2's.
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Currently have an Onkyo HT-R520 avr (came in the 770 htib) driving a front of B1's, C1, and a P400. (I am one of a very few here that really like the 400. For less than $75, whats not to like?) I was using the rears that came with the 770 in the back.

Just got me (2) of the old B2's for about $115 ($86/$29) shipped. Got into a short bidding war or I could have had them a little cheaper. Now the B1's will go to the rear. All thats left is getting another B1 for the rear.

I was happy with the B1's in the front but couldn't pass up the B2's.

You got a P400 for less than $75? MSRP on that was $400! (Much better than the P4000 that replaced it, by the way.)
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You got a P400 for less than $75? MSRP on that was $400! (Much better than the P4000 that replaced it, by the way.)

Well it was BB, open box, and I added a coupon for another 10% off for open box. At one time this BB had another (2) P400's new in the box. They were definately more money. They must have gotten them in after I had purchesed though. No way would they have sold me the open box if they had stock.
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Currently have an Onkyo HT-R520 avr (came in the 770 htib) driving a front of B1's, C1, and a P400. (I am one of a very few here that really like the 400. For less than $75, whats not to like?) I was using the rears that came with the 770 in the back.

Just got me (2) of the old B2's for about $115 ($86/$29) shipped. Got into a short bidding war or I could have had them a little cheaper. Now the B1's will go to the rear. All thats left is getting another B1 for the rear.

I was happy with the B1's in the front but couldn't pass up the B2's.


If you got a AS-P400 for 75.00 that's a steal. AS-B2 for 115.00 is another steal. You are doing good. Heck, I considered my second P400 sub for 165.00 a deal since I bought my first AS-P400 2 years ago for 285.00 plus tax. I'm now surrounded by Athena in my PC room and my main theater setup.
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If you got a AS-P400 for 75.00 that's a steal. AS-B2 for 115.00 is another steal. You are doing good. Heck, I considered my second P400 sub for 165.00 a deal since I bought my first AS-P400 2 years ago for 285.00 plus tax. I'm now surrounded by Athena in my PC room and my main theater setup.

Thanks. I was considering a 2nd P400 when my local BB had them around Sep05 but did not have the room. (nor do I really need it in the current room.) I'm having remorse over that because I could have just stored it. The only other sub I was considering at the time was the 10" Dayton that a lot of folks thought much better than the P400.

Just happened onto the B2's. I'd always wanted 5 B1's eventually for the 7.1 setup. Maybe even some F1's but wifey likes the B1 stands in the front so floor standers were right out.
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yeah, I know some came from Best Buy. Some of the speakers are 4 years old. Hard to believe they would have stock that old. Must have been sitting in a dusty corner.

Well, I tried to buy some original B1's new in the box earlier this year from BB. The sales guy refused to come down from $150 even though they were $79 during BB clearance. So they sat on the shelf for months and months. I finally bought some s.5's online for $50 a pair incl shipping. Tons of original Athena stuff on e-bay new in box. May not get the mfrs warranty but if you get them cheap enough, does it matter? My speakers were definitely brand new. I'm guessing these sellers got the old BB leftover stock.

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Well, I tried to buy some original B1's new in the box earlier this year from BB. The sales guy refused to come down from $150 even though they were $79 during BB clearance. So they sat on the shelf for months and months. I finally bought some s.5's online for $50 a pair incl shipping. Tons of original Athena stuff on e-bay new in box. May not get the mfrs warranty but if you get them cheap enough, does it matter? My speakers were definitely brand new. I'm guessing these sellers got the old BB leftover stock.

Same thing happened to me when I tried to buy a single F1 from my local BB last year. I was going to put those in the front vs. B1. They would not move an inch. Funny they were willing to put them on clearance for peanuts but I bet they were even less than that when they transferred stock to the liqidator. Funny thing is these speakers are better than most of what BB carries now.
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Looks like I'm close to completing my 6.1 speaker upgrade. In an earlier post I mentioned I was getting two B2's to replace the L/R's and moving the existing B1's to the surrounds.

Thats leaves the rear center to be upgraded. Should I be looking at a 3rd B1 for the rear or maybe a single R1. What is preferable sound wise. I'm guessing if I can get another pair of B1's, that would give the option of having a 2nd rear when I go 7.1 . Let me also mention that all three rear speakers are fairly close to the listner behind the couch in my setup. They have all been adjusted with the aid of a sound level meter. Thanks....
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Looks like I'm close to completing my 6.1 speaker upgrade. In an earlier post I mentioned I was getting two B2's to replace the L/R's and moving the existing B1's to the surrounds.

Thats leaves the rear center to be upgraded. Should I be looking at a 3rd B1 for the rear or maybe a single R1. What is preferable sound wise. I'm guessing if I can get another pair of B1's, that would give the option of having a 2nd rear when I go 7.1 . Let me also mention that all three rear speakers are fairly close to the listner behind the couch in my setup. They have all been adjusted with the aid of a sound level meter. Thanks....


How about another C1 for a rear center?
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Looks like I'm close to completing my 6.1 speaker upgrade. In an earlier post I mentioned I was getting two B2's to replace the L/R's and moving the existing B1's to the surrounds.

Thats leaves the rear center to be upgraded. Should I be looking at a 3rd B1 for the rear or maybe a single R1. What is preferable sound wise. I'm guessing if I can get another pair of B1's, that would give the option of having a 2nd rear when I go 7.1 . Let me also mention that all three rear speakers are fairly close to the listner behind the couch in my setup. They have all been adjusted with the aid of a sound level meter. Thanks....

I wouln't go with an R1 if your seating position is that close from the rear plus it will be ouputting most of it's sound in the area of the other 2 rear speakers. I'd go with a pair of B1's if your considering moving up to a 7.1 later otherwise a C1.
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What is the difference between having a C1 there besides having a R1? Does it matter because it is the receiver feeding the speaker and the receiver is gonna look at that 6th speaker as being 1 rear speaker. If I am missing something (and I claim ignorance ) please let me know. THANX.
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What is the difference between having a C1 there besides having a R1? Does it matter because it is the receiver feeding the speaker and the receiver is gonna look at that 6th speaker as being 1 rear speaker. If I am missing something (and I claim ignorance ) please let me know. THANX.

The C1 and The R1 is designed differently. The R1 is a bi-pole design that directs midrange and treble frequencies in two directions. The C1 is designed to dispurse the entire range in one general direction.
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