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Thanks the presence speakers are sort of like an enhance height speaker right?  I found that the tl2 I was using for the task were fine in the PLiiz mode but there isn't as much information going to them as would be in your case so maybe something larger would be nice.

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Playing with my Polk LSiM 703s. Found an extremely demanding soundtrack that most 4 ohm speakers cant handle even at mid volume. I know, I know - the LSiMs are 8ohm. That is the whole point.
I wanted to see how big of a difference this 4ohm/8ohm would make with a track THIS demanding without a power amp. A whole lot, as it turns out.
The track is the bass intro from Lins Lofgren's live album. Nothing complicated - very heavy bass guitar, drums,cymbals. But it is very dynamic, there are a thousand notes crammed in every millisecond! It sounds like there are 10 guys playing with 20 fingers on that bass guitar. You gotta have mad speakers with an insane power amp to reproduce this faithfully at high volume without any distortion. Plus it is a loud recording to begin with.
So, I remastered two versions in addition to the original stereo.
1) Original , but in 5.1 surround
2) Original +5dB 5.1 surround
3) Original+15dB 5.1 surround

Played this BluRay in

1) Pioneer Elite AVR + Polk LSi-9 (no power amp)
2) Pioneer Elite AVR + Emotiva XPA5 + Polk LSi-9
3) Pioneer Elite AVR + Polk LSiM-703 (no power amp)
4) Pioneer Elite AVR + Emotiva XPA5 + Polk LSiM-703

The Polk LSi-9s without power amp exhibited distortion at -30dB volume even while playing the normal version, a few seconds into the song. If you want to know what that distortion sounded like listen to the track with +15dB recording . It sounds bad even with a power amp at a normal listening level.
The Polk LSiMs handled normal version even at reference level WITHOUT a power amp. They even played +10dB version decently until the cymbals and drums clashed with the bass guitars, then the high frequencies started to sound washed out and bass guitar skipped a note or two. About a minute and a half into the song which is about 3 minutes long. Not enough juice! Sounstage was a bit flat, but still - not so bad. Listenable. Of course the +15dB version sounded pathetic, but that was expected.
The Emotiva allowed the LSi-9s play more effortlessly . These speakers NEEDED a power amp to play this crazy track loud, no question about it. They handled the song just fine with the power amp at normal and +10dB recording.
The LSiMs, on the other hand, improved somewhat while playing the +10dB version of the same song, but not as much as the power hungry 4ohm LSi-9s. No skipped notes, no washed out treble, imaging and soundstage as good as they can be! You would be hard pressed to catch the difference between the normal and +10dB versions, but it is there.

So,lesson learned - this 4ohm/8ohm upgrade in the LSiMs makes a difference with this demanding test track! Now I gotta delete it so I dont destroy my speakers inadvertently if I play it loud by mistake! biggrin.gif
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Send me a PM if you want some pointers. I'm not going any further in open forum with my comments, but I have quite a bit of info stashed away if you want to use it.

On another note, I'm wondering if it's a worthwhile exercise buying another pair of Monitor45s to use as front presence on my Yamaha, or whether I should use a smaller set?

I'm sure 45's would do great, maybe even the 35's. I had 30's as mains for a bit and they worked well enough. Then I used them as side surrounds in a 7.1 configuration and they worked great there so I don't see why something similar wouldn't work as presence speakers.
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I'm sure 45's would do great, maybe even the 35's. I had 30's as mains for a bit and they worked well enough. Then I used them as side surrounds in a 7.1 configuration and they worked great there so I don't see why something similar wouldn't work as presence speakers.

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It's a custom DIY 3/4" MDF piece. I actually made it years ago as a way to angle down from the top of the old school CRT rear projection displays

By the way Tom I like your setup and I checked out your website. Very classy and detailed if I live in the area I would be contacting you for some products.

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Thanks the presence speakers are sort of like an enhance height speaker right?  I found that the tl2 I was using for the task were fine in the PLiiz mode but there isn't as much information going to them as would be in your case so maybe something larger would be nice.

Thanks. I purchased the first pair of 45s for $168, and the 65s for $300. If I had room, I'd consider moving the 45s to the Front Presence position and buying another set of 65s, or even 75s. Unfortunately I'm out of space, so another set of towers is out of the question.


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Thanks. I purchased the first pair of 45s for $168, and the 65s for $300. If I had room, I'd consider moving the 45s to the Front Presence position and buying another set of 65s, or even 75s. Unfortunately I'm out of space, so another set of towers is out of the question.
I would think the 30-35 would be a good choice for presence speakers since they should be higher then the mains. They are very easy to mount compared to the 45t
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I would think the 30-35 would be a good choice for presence speakers since they should be higher then the mains. They are very easy to mount compared to the 45t

That's a good point. The 45s are pretty heavy. Thanks.


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As promised







Unfortunate about the loading scratches but we'll repair it somehow. Again can't complain at $475
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Unfortunate about the loading scratches but we'll repair it somehow. Again can't complain at $475

great deal on those. You can probably just use a wood floor marker on them. You really just don't want to notice the scratches, and with the markers it would be hard to see the blemish unless you were right on top of it.

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Fantastic way to start the day. Delivered a brilliant bit of fun watching Die Hard (original).

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great deal on those. You can probably just use a wood floor marker on them. You really just don't want to notice the scratches, and with the markers it would be hard to see the blemish unless you were right on top of it.

That's a good idea. I'll give it a try. thanks
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Unfortunate about the loading scratches but we'll repair it somehow. Again can't complain at $475

there's something i saw on tv a few nights ago dont remember what it was called but it comes in a pen and they showed someone drag a key over a wood table and then used it to fill it in. might be on one of those "as seen on TV" websites; could also look at a furniture store for wood furniture repair/restore stuff

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there's something i saw on tv a few nights ago dont remember what it was called but it comes in a pen and they showed someone drag a key over a wood table and then used it to fill it in. might be on one of those "as seen on TV" websites; could also look at a furniture store for wood furniture repair/restore stuff

That's a good call. Depending on how deep, and how much, an autobody shop might be able to quickly buff it out too.

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Damn. I forgot there were cannons in the 1812 Overture. That must have hit about 130dB.


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Damn. I forgot there were cannons in the 1812 Overture. That must have hit about 130dB.

You do know they dont use real canons in the recording studios? wink.gif
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You do know they dont use real canons in the recording studios? wink.gif

I'm relieved. I thought that was going to take my head off. I swear I felt the cannonball zip past my ear.

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I'm relieved. I thought that was going to take my head off. I swear I felt the cannonball zip past my ear.

Realism is the sweetest quality in music. Congratulations! Your gear rocks. I myself always listen to the overture from the safety of trenches, with a helmet on, just in case . You never know where the darn cannon is pointed!
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I've chickened out and resorted to "British No 1s of the 1980s". Figured that might be safer.

 

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That's a good idea. I'll give it a try. thanks

Take a good picture with your phone, then go down to Lowe's or Home Depot and ask if they have anything. They might have something on the shelf that will work wonders.
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You do know they dont use real canons in the recording studios? wink.gif

Actually my dad used to have a record recording of the 1812 that used real canons.

It was awesome ... Played that on his Polk SRS SDA speakers
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Actually my dad used to have a record recording of the 1812 that used real canons. It was awesome ...

I had - or rather my Dad had, then I inherited, that same recording. I remember it had an "extra" track that detailed how they mic'ed the cannon. As a kid it sounded great on our Voice of the Theater, but I unloaded all that vinyl before moving up to my current Polks.

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...but I unloaded all that vinyl before moving up to my current Polks.

Man, that's a bummer. I had a lot of vinyl years ago too. Wish I had "hoarded" it for a while longer.

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Man, that's a bummer. I had a lot of vinyl years ago too. Wish I had "hoarded" it for a while longer.

Not a bummer IMO. I just got tired of maintaining all the storage space devoted to vinyl. We are approaching retirement and need to cut back on all the junk we will have to move into our retirement condo. Even now I realize that I don't listen to CD's anymore either. What music we enjoy either we've ripped to USB or we just stream internet radio (no "subscription" services, again too much upkeep involved).

So now I've traded several hundred pounds of vinyl for instead all our accumulated A/V gear. Recently we moved the last of our lower end Monitors to one of our rental properties, so at least that's out of the house. So now I'm left with like four or five complete audio systems, and not entirely sure how we will ultimately stage what we have once we move.

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Not a bummer IMO. I just got tired of maintaining all the storage space devoted to vinyl. We are approaching retirement and need to cut back on all the junk we will have to move into our retirement condo. Even now I realize that I don't listen to CD's anymore either. What music we enjoy either we've ripped to USB or we just stream internet radio (no "subscription" services, again too much upkeep involved).

So now I've traded several hundred pounds of vinyl for instead all our accumulated A/V gear. Recently we moved the last of our lower end Monitors to one of our rental properties, so at least that's out of the house. So now I'm left with like four or five complete audio systems, and not entirely sure how we will ultimately stage what we have once we move.

I hear ya on the space. I only had about two one cube boxes of vinyls. I don't do physical CDs any longer either. I rip everything. It's so much easier and takes up the space of a removable HDD or a micro thumb drive.

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