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Oh yea, well I hooked up my RTiA9s to my XPA-2 (300 WPC), cranked Tron Legacy to reference, and the neighbors felt the bass in their floorboards.

Then I bought two 15" 550W down firing subs and they called the sheriff.

You knew I was going to post again Geoff. I couldn't resist.

Oh yeah???? Well how 'bout this, I move into your neighborhood, in fact right next door, I arrange my theater right next to yours, I hook up both of my dual 15" 600W RMS subs, set all four of my A9's to full range, and crank Tron Legacy to reference, and we'll see who's wife calls the cops first
Oh yes, Dave, it is ON! Of course, I think both of our wives will have us both committed, and that's okay, so long as we can have adjoining rooms, we knock out the wall, and we combine our set ups Let's see, between the two of us, that's a pair of 140w AVR's, nine amp channels and 6 A9's....................yeah, we could rock it fo sho

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Oh yeah???? Well how 'bout this, I move into your neighborhood, in fact right next door, I arrange my theater right next to yours, I hook up both of my dual 15" 600W RMS subs, set all four of my A9's to full range, and crank Tron Legacy to reference, and we'll see who's wife calls the cops first
Oh yes, Dave, it is ON! Of course, I think both of our wives will have us both committed, and that's okay, so long as we can have adjoining rooms, we knock out the wall, and we combine our set ups Let's see, between the two of us, that's a pair of 140w AVR's, nine amp channels and 6 A9's....................yeah, we could rock it fo sho
Sounds likE a plan brother. I'll have to get an XPR-2 and two more subs though.
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Oh yea, well I hooked up my RTiA9s to my XPA-2 (300 WPC), cranked Tron Legacy to reference, and the neighbors felt the bass in their floorboards.

Then I bought two 15" 550W down firing subs and they called the sheriff.

You knew I was going to post again Geoff. I couldn't resist.
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Sounds likE a plan brother. I'll have to get an XPR-2 and two more subs though.

LOL, okay, that'll give us 6 subs, I might as well get a couple-O-more so we have an even 8, I'll get the XPR-5, then I think we should be covered, I'll bring the Y splitters so the eight subs go into the 4 Pre-outs and more Y splitters for the additional speakers so we'll run, what, 21 speakers? Does that sound okay with you?
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I have a PSW108 subwoofer, it has stereo rca inputs but all subwoofers are single. Does anymake a single rca to stereo rca cable to run from my pioneer vsx824 so I dont have to run a stereo rca cable to a y mono splitter? Just looking to simplify and count down on connections.
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Does anymake a single rca to stereo rca cable to run from my pioneer vsx824 so I dont have to run a stereo rca cable to a y mono splitter?
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I havent seen any yet unless they are buried away somewhere. All I can find is the usual 6" version y adaptor that I already have. I want something in the 3-6' range
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Sounds likE a plan brother. I'll have to get an XPR-2 and two more subs though.

Dave, just wanted to say thanks again. I ran across an ad for the Thermaltake Massive 14. It really kept my 807 nice and cool, and my Integra, it hasn't seen a warm day since I got it. The low profile fits in my rack nicely with room to spare. I'll get another one of these days, for now, those little duals working okay. Thanks brother!!!! Drop in anytime
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I have a PSW108 subwoofer, it has stereo rca inputs but all subwoofers are single. Does anymake a single rca to stereo rca cable to run from my pioneer vsx824 so I dont have to run a stereo rca cable to a y mono splitter? Just looking to simplify and count down on connections.
Why do you need to do this? You only need to connect to one of the line level inputs if your AVR has a single sub output (even AVRs with two sub outputs are often just the same output split inside the chassis, not stereo sub outs). It might give you an input boost to your sub by connecting both, but as the sub is only 50 W RMS I'm thinking this isn't required.
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just going by what the manual says, I also figure there is some reason they have stereo RCA inputs on it. I used to run it drectly from the tv with a mini aux to stereo rca cable but now I have a AVR
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just going by what the manual says, I also figure there is some reason they have stereo RCA inputs on it. I used to run it drectly from the tv with a mini aux to stereo rca cable but now I have a AVR
The manual says you can connect a mono input to either the L or R line level input. If you had stereo LFE outputs you would use both (I'm not sure how common this is), or maybe if you had full range pre-outs that you were feeding to your sub, and using the sub's low pass filter to set the crossover.

With a mono sub output, which should contain all LFE and material below the crossover frequency (if your speakers are set to small), you only need to connect to one of the line level inputs. You won't be missing anything.
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Hello! I am currently using 4x RTi A1s + a CSi A4 for my home theater and loving them - but maybe the upgrade bug has gotten me again..

Would I see that much improvement going up to the LSi line (or LSiM)? I use my HT mainly for movies (85%), games (10%) and music (5%).

Thanks!

Edit: or even something like LSi for the fronts + center, and keep the RTi's for surround?

Towers aren't an option right now, gotta stick with my books!
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Hello! I am currently using 4x RTi A1s + a CSi A4 for my home theater and loving them - but maybe the upgrade bug has gotten me again..

Would I see that much improvement going up to the LSi line (or LSiM)? I use my HT mainly for movies (85%), games (10%) and music (5%).

Thanks!

Edit: or even something like LSi for the fronts + center, and keep the RTi's for surround?

Towers aren't an option right now, gotta stick with my books!
For movies, I would stick with the RTis. If you are more into music, then I would recommend the LSi's. The LSi's are harder to drive and should have an external amp, except for the LSi7's. I haven't heard the LSiM's.
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Better speakers and gear and a BIG sub.

If you don't realize that, it's gonna suck to be you.

With that I'm done with this thread and likely forum.


They ain't gonna change that much, you can't make entry level speakers sound phenomenal. Maybe they just aren't for you.
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Hello! I am currently using 4x RTi A1s + a CSi A4 for my home theater and loving them - but maybe the upgrade bug has gotten me again..

Would I see that much improvement going up to the LSi line (or LSiM)? I use my HT mainly for movies (85%), games (10%) and music (5%).

Thanks!

Edit: or even something like LSi for the fronts + center, and keep the RTi's for surround?

Towers aren't an option right now, gotta stick with my books!
I'm going to assume your room is small if you are happy with the sound of the A1's as mains. You are ruling out towers because of space limitations?

You haven't mentioned a subwoofer; if you are not using a powered SW with those bookies, then that should probably be your next upgrade.

Otherwise, I should think that the most logical and practical upgrade would be to replace your LCR with the larger RTiA3's and CSiA6 (or RTi6 and CSi5). You could then move the extra A1's to surround back for 7.1 and sell the CS3--or sell all three to help offset the upgrade costs if 7.1 is not an option at this time.

Remember that, if you move to the LSi/M series, your A1's will not be a good timbre match in surround duty; here you'd do better with the TL3 satellites, which are timbre-matched to the LSiM's and have a very small footprint.
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I second the idea to get the A3's or RTi6's for an upgrade. I used a pair of 6's as mains for a while before I got my RTi8's and really liked them.

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I'm going to assume your room is small if you are happy with the sound of the A1's as mains. You are ruling out towers because of space limitations?

You haven't mentioned a subwoofer; if you are not using a powered SW with those bookies, then that should probably be your next upgrade.

Otherwise, I should think that the most logical and practical upgrade would be to replace your LCR with the larger RTiA3's and CSiA6 (or RTi6 and CSi5). You could then move the extra A1's to surround back for 7.1 and sell the CS3--or sell all three to help offset the upgrade costs if 7.1 is not an option at this time.

Remember that, if you move to the LSi/M series, your A1's will not be a good timbre match in surround duty; here you'd do better with the TL3 satellites, which are timbre-matched to the LSiM's and have a very small footprint.
I have rti a speakers for surround with my lsim they are fine, you just don't want them interchanged on the LCR.
going to rtia3 doesn't do anything but give you potential for playing louder.

What is your goal?
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I actually like the overall sound of the a1's/RTI4's better than the a3's/RTI6's, so to me going to the 3's would not be an upgrade, but as stated above, getting or upgrading your sub would make a big difference. As for jumping up another level, I think it's a waste of money for what you will be using them for. Just my .02
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I have rti a speakers for surround with my lsim they are fine, you just don't want them interchanged on the LCR.
going to rtia3 doesn't do anything but give you potential for playing louder.

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I actually like the overall sound of the a1's/RTI4's better than the a3's/RTI6's, so to me going to the 3's would not be an upgrade, but as stated above, getting or upgrading your sub would make a big difference. As for jumping up another level, I think it's a waste of money for what you will be using them for. Just my .02
Interesting perspectives. I think timbre matching can be an overrated criterion if offset by other mitigating factors, such as a good calibration system like Audyssey MultEQ XT32 or the unavailability of surrounds from the same product line. But it's a factor that one should not ignore if the system is to provide a cohesive sound from front to back.

I actually think that the biggest improvement for OP's HT would be in bumping up his center channel to the CSi5/A6. There's a lot of critical information (viz., dialogue) here that could be better conveyed through the beefier and slightly more efficient A6. I know that every time I improved on my CC I got a hugely improved overall performance from TV and movie playback.
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The room is ~2300 cu. ft., and my wife is just fine with my books, and as of right now won't allow towers. The room looks pretty good right now.

I'm using a really cheap sub right now, but a Rythmik FV15HP is on it's way.

Thanks for the replies. I had thought about getting 4x A3s, but eh. I can't really find much wrong with my A1s!

Edit: regarding the CSi A6 - I'd love that (huge upgrade over the A4?), but many talk about "Timber" matching and I probably won't upgrade to the A3s... but my receiver DOES have XT32.

My goal? It seems awfully silly to say "have the best movie experience with a small(er) budget", without towers and only 5.1, but I guess that's it.

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Thanks for the replies. I had thought about getting 4x A3s, but eh. I can't really find much wrong with my A1s!

Edit: regarding the CSi A6 - I'd love that (huge upgrade over the A4?), but many talk about "Timber" matching and I probably won't upgrade to the A3s... but my receiver DOES have XT32.

My goal? It seems awfully silly to say "have the best movie experience with a small(er) budget", without towers and only 5.1, but I guess that's it.
There should be no timbre matching problem between the A1's and the CSiA6. I'm running 4 A1's and an A6 center.
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I run Rti6's in the family room with Rti4 surrounds and a Csi3 for TV and light music. The Rti6's run full range, while the Rti4's and Csi3 cross over to a 8" Klipsch SW-350 sub in the corner... this configuration determined after lots of experimentation and it all works very well now for what we use it for... even some streaming and DVD's (the big A9 system is for BD's and critical music listening). The Csi3 fits under the TV nicely, while the Csi5 is just too bulky there.

FWIW I tried the Lsi9's for HT, and while they were better for music than the A9's, I was somewhat disappointed in their HT performance, and they were very disappointing for TV. So it's A9's for movies, Rti6's for TV and Lsi9's for music in the bedroom. Also recently mothballed the DSW660 and replaced it with a Klipsch SW-450, being so impressed with its little brother the SW-350 in the family room after several years of use there. BTW I run the Rti6's full range without xing over to the sub because the sub tended to be too boomy on commercials and newscasts.

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Interesting perspectives. I think timbre matching can be an overrated criterion if offset by other mitigating factors, such as a good calibration system like Audyssey MultEQ XT32 or the unavailability of surrounds from the same product line. But it's a factor that one should not ignore if the system is to provide a cohesive sound from front to back.

I actually think that the biggest improvement for OP's HT would be in bumping up his center channel to the CSi5/A6. There's a lot of critical information (viz., dialogue) here that could be better conveyed through the beefier and slightly more efficient A6. I know that every time I improved on my CC I got a hugely improved overall performance from TV and movie playback.
Upgrading to a bigger center channel isn't a good recommendation. It will either over power the front bookshelf's or you one would have to dial back the center channel. Which defeats the entire point of purchasing the new center.

Timbre match is extremely important if you want to have cohesive sound. Relying on Audyssey is not sound advice.

CSI5/A6 is designed to be used with bigger tower speakers, so dialogue will not be drowned out. I made the change from cs2 and monitor 50 to CSIA6 and RTI10 fronts. The difference was very substantial. I re watched many movies because the sound difference was so dramatic.
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Upgrading to a bigger center channel isn't a good recommendation. It will either over power the front bookshelf's or you one would have to dial back the center channel. Which defeats the entire point of purchasing the new center.

Timbre match is extremely important if you want to have cohesive sound. Relying on Audyssey is not sound advice.

CSI5/A6 is designed to be used with bigger tower speakers, so dialogue will not be drowned out. I made the change from cs2 and monitor 50 to CSIA6 and RTI10 fronts. The difference was very substantial. I re watched many movies because the sound difference was so dramatic.
Can you show something to backup the statement that the A6 will "overpower" the A1's? I got an A6 to go with my A1's because there were no A4's at the time. In retrospect, I'm glad. It does not overpower the A1's. My ARV's room correction does not boost the A1's or cut the A6--in fact it boosts the A6 by 0.5dB, while leaving the closest A1 at zero. You could say that this is room-related, which I suppose is possible, but would have to be established (and I doubt it). You are not putting more power into it, there are simply larger drivers that have more of an effect on frequency response.

I don't think there's a timbre issue between the A1's and the A6.

That said, it's hard to say how much of a difference would be noticed between the A4 and the A6. He'd have to try it out in his room to see for himself if there was a substantial difference. Powered from the same source, it's hard to say--perhaps more depth to voices, but we can only guess.
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Can you show something to backup the statement that the A6 will "overpower" the A1's? I got an A6 to go with my A1's because there were no A4's at the time. In retrospect, I'm glad. It does not overpower the A1's. My ARV's room correction does not boost the A1's or cut the A6--in fact it boosts the A6 by 0.5dB, while leaving the closest A1 at zero. You could say that this is room-related, which I suppose is possible, but would have to be established (and I doubt it). You are not putting more power into it, there are simply larger drivers that have more of an effect on frequency response.

I don't think there's a timbre issue between the A1's and the A6.

That said, it's hard to say how much of a difference would be noticed between the A4 and the A6. He'd have to try it out in his room to see for himself if there was a substantial difference. Powered from the same source, it's hard to say--perhaps more depth to voices, but we can only guess.
the a6 can play louder before distortion and deeper so if you need a lower xover or want full range you need A6 otherwise they have the same efficiency rating and will be the same volume with the same power as the other rtia line
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Can you show something to backup the statement that the A6 will "overpower" the A1's? I got an A6 to go with my A1's because there were no A4's at the time. In retrospect, I'm glad. It does not overpower the A1's. My ARV's room correction does not boost the A1's or cut the A6--in fact it boosts the A6 by 0.5dB, while leaving the closest A1 at zero. You could say that this is room-related, which I suppose is possible, but would have to be established (and I doubt it). You are not putting more power into it, there are simply larger drivers that have more of an effect on frequency response.

I don't think there's a timbre issue between the A1's and the A6.

That said, it's hard to say how much of a difference would be noticed between the A4 and the A6. He'd have to try it out in his room to see for himself if there was a substantial difference. Powered from the same source, it's hard to say--perhaps more depth to voices, but we can only guess.
Personally, I would not use a giant A6 with A1, but if you are happy that is all that matters. I also wouldnt use bookshelfs as fronts in a HT setup. If you are happy then great for you.

There isnt a timber issue between A1 & A6 they are from the exact same lineup of speakers.

Yes, I would rather buy the A4 and see if I didnt like it and then bump up to the A6. I tend not to want to spend more money if I dont have to. Which is why it is so important to listen to this stuff on your own sources before taking someones advice off a forum. Once I made the switch to a dedicated theater room instead of just a living room. It changed everything about my setup, so I upgraded all my speakers.


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the a6 can play louder before distortion and deeper so if you need a lower xover or want full range you need A6 otherwise they have the same efficiency rating and will be the same volume with the same power as the other rtia line
Agreed. You said it more succinctly
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Personally, I would not use a giant A6 with A1, but if you are happy that is all that matters. I also wouldnt use bookshelfs as fronts in a HT setup. If you are happy then great for you.
And that's perfectly fine. But with respect, I was responding to your suggestion that it was a bad idea because the A6 would overpower the A1's, not to your personal preferences. Not everyone has the freedom or the desire to have towers.
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And that's perfectly fine. But with respect, I was responding to your suggestion that it was a bad idea because the A6 would overpower the A1's, not to your personal preferences. Not everyone has the freedom or the desire to have towers.
I think the comment that A6 wont overpower A1 is nonsense. you have a 6 1/2 woofer on your center and 5 1/4 on your fronts. To each his own..
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I think the comment that A6 wont overpower A1 is nonsense. you have a 6 1/2 woofer on your center and 5 1/4 on your fronts. To each his own..
OK, but the entire RTiA line is within 1 dB with regard to sensitivity. The actual sound output, measured at 1 meter, for the same input power, is virtually the same. The difference from the A4 to the A6 is 1 dB, barely noticeable and easily compensated for if you did notice it.

Likely he doesn't need the very marginal extra power handling of the A6, and I'm not sure about the lower frequency extension, so my suggestion was to try it out to see if he had a preference. I have it because it was the only option at the time, and it's working great--no overpowering issues.
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