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Thanks guys, all this advice and experience sharing really helps me! I think I'm going to go with the 80F/X LS. Once I have it all installed I'll report back and hope my experiences can help others
While it's certainly not a "show-stopper" factor, ideally you'll want to use the same speakers for your Atmos (or DTS:X or Auro) front and rear top arrays in order to achieve seamless front to back panning.

I think your current RC80i would serve just fine, but the 80F/X-LS are better speakers FWIW.
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While it's certainly not a "show-stopper" factor, ideally you'll want to use the same speakers for your Atmos (or DTS:X or Auro) front and rear top arrays in order to achieve seamless front to back panning.

I think your current RC80i would serve just fine, but the 80F/X-LS are better speakers FWIW.
Agreed, with the FF discount I ordered the 80F/X-LS and I also ordered the Emo 5 channel amp - can't wait to get this new gear in and hear the upgrade
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Agreed, with the FF discount I ordered the 80F/X-LS and I also ordered the Emo 5 channel amp - can't wait to get this new gear in and hear the upgrade
Just make sure that:

(1) you give careful study to the Dolby Atmos (and soon to be unveiled) DTS:X speaker layout recommendations before you start cutting holes in your ceiling;

(2) the AVR/SSP you get is capable of processing both both Atmos and DTS:X (wait for the 2015 or 2016 models to hit the streets);

and (3) you position the listener-level speakers no higher than 1.25 times ear-height to allow for adequate separation between the base and overhead layers.
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I also ordered the Emo 5 channel amp - can't wait to get this new gear in and hear the upgrade

Congrats! What kind of interconnects did you order?

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Congrats! What kind of interconnects did you order?
Oh - I didn't order anything that sounded like that - what is the interconnects? Did I miss something... oh is this the phono/RCA cable that goes from my receiver pre-out to the unbalanced RCA on the AMP? If so I purchased some RCA cables when I got my Oppo 103 to connect the analog outs to the receiver thinking that would be better than HDMI or something odd like that, but ended up using the HDMI out on the Oppo for sound and video so was planning on using those to rig up the new AMP. Please let me know if I over looked something.....
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Agreed, with the FF discount I ordered the 80F/X-LS and I also ordered the Emo 5 channel amp - can't wait to get this new gear in and hear the upgrade
Congrats man. That's exciting about the XPA-5.

Just do me one favor. Listen to your L-C-R Polk in-walls after you get them installed but BEFORE you hook up the amp. Then hook up your Emo and have at it. #ampporn

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Just make sure that:

(1) you give careful study to the Dolby Atmos (and soon to be unveiled) DTS:X speaker layout recommendations before you start cutting holes in your ceiling;

(2) the AVR/SSP you get is capable of processing both both Atmos and DTS:X (wait for the 2015 or 2016 models to hit the streets);

and (3) you position the listener-level speakers no higher than 1.25 times ear-height to allow for adequate separation between the base and overhead layers.
I already have holes for the RC80i's so that is done but if I add a second pair for Atoms I will need to know where to put them, see the diagram of my layout as it is attached. I will go google Atmos speaker placement - do you have any good links? Oh and point 3, are the listener level speakers the front main LCR?
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Congrats man. That's exciting about the XPA-5.

Just do me one favor. Listen to your L-C-R Polk in-walls after you get them installed but BEFORE you hook up the amp. Then hook up your Emo and have at it. #ampporn
That sounds like a good plan! And thanks so much for pointing me in the right direction, the guys over at Emotiva should give you a voucher for the referral
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Oh - I didn't order anything that sounded like that - what is the interconnects? Did I miss something... oh is this the phono/RCA cable that goes from my receiver pre-out to the unbalanced RCA on the AMP? If so I purchased some RCA cables when I got my Oppo 103 to connect the analog outs to the receiver thinking that would be better than HDMI or something odd like that, but ended up using the HDMI out on the Oppo for sound and video so was planning on using those to rig up the new AMP. Please let me know if I over looked something.....
LOL, sounds like you have it covered! The best kind of interconnects you can use are shielded ones, there's single, double and triple shielding. By all means, use what you've got now, you can look into cables some other time. The interconnects that Emotiva sell are pretty good, that's what I use, they're double shielded and don't cost an arm and a leg, you're going to get a shock when you see what companies charge for cables if you haven't already.


Just remember this, the cable is responsible for transferring a signal, with all cables (interconnect) you get signal degradation. A cable with decent shielding can degrade the signal "less".


You have now fallen a little further down the rabbit hole my friend


Here's something else for you to play with, either your amp or your AVR came with a "trigger" cable, you can connect the trigger cable from your AVR's 12v Trigger out to the 12v Trigger in on the amp. That way, you can turn the amp on and off with your Onkyo remote. I don't have any of mine hooked up, I just leave my amps on 24/7

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Oh - I didn't order anything that sounded like that - what is the interconnects? Did I miss something... oh is this the phono/RCA cable that goes from my receiver pre-out to the unbalanced RCA on the AMP? If so I purchased some RCA cables when I got my Oppo 103 to connect the analog outs to the receiver thinking that would be better than HDMI or something odd like that, but ended up using the HDMI out on the Oppo for sound and video so was planning on using those to rig up the new AMP. Please let me know if I over looked something.....
This is what I use to connect the pre-outs on my AVR to my Emo. The price is right:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

I use MP for most everything audio/video cable related. You'll never EVER have to buy HDMI cables, speaker wires, power cords or TV mounts at a big box store again

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This is what I use to connect the pre-outs on my AVR to my Emo. The price is right:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

I use MP for most everything audio/video cable related. You'll never EVER have to buy HDMI cables, speaker wires, power cords or TV mounts at a big box store again
I've used those, they are a great bargain however, I've gone back to non digital coaxial cable.

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I've used those, they are a great bargain however, I've gone back to non digital coaxial cable.
It is obvious that you have done a lot of research on this topic. Would love to hear your reasoning for going back to non digital. I've often wondered if I might be selling myself short by using these digital coax cables from MP. I'm all ears man! Any links for non digital cables or are they usually DIY? Thanks in advance...

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You have now fallen a little further down the rabbit hole my friend


Here's something else for you to play with, either your amp or your AVR came with a "trigger" cable, you can connect the trigger cable from your AVR's 12v Trigger out to the 12v Trigger in on the amp. That way, you can turn the amp on and off with your Onkyo remote. I don't have any of mine hooked up, I just leave my amps on 24/7
Yeah I think I am well and truly falling into that rabbit hole I was googling and found a lot of people had one of these things Panamax M5400-PM - so do I need that as well for the AMP to connect or is that another extra if you want to go that extra mile?? It looks cool but would have to start working out loads etc. I guess.


Edit, @AnnapolisSony - I just saw in your sig that you have the Panamax M5300 would that be ok for the Emo XPA-5 do you think - they have them at my local BB so I could pop down tomorrow and grab one. If it helps provide a clean sound to my new Polk's and protect the Emo I'm happy.

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It is obvious that you have done a lot of research on this topic. Would love to hear your reasoning for going back to non digital. I've often wondered if I might be selling myself short by using these digital coax cables from MP. I'm all ears man! Any links for non digital cables or are they usually DIY? Thanks in advance...

Right on, DIY interconnects and power cables are two areas I haven't delved into as of yet. I do however LOVE making my own speaker cables.


I want to save money just like the next guy, and I don't put any stock into the whole "cable" debate, like when I hear or read of someone adding a power cable to their system and they go off about the sonic improvements, I just yawn and say good for you and your money

When you're moving electrical current from the wall to your gear, or from your amp to your speakers, I just look at resistance and connections. Shielding is good, but I don't see it affecting the sonic signature of your gear or speakers.


Your interconnects transfer a digital signal. If you want to use the DAC in your CD player, BRP or other source material with a DAC, use a non digital cable. If you want to hear the DAC in your AVR, use a digital cable. This was the recommendation from a tech rep over at Emotiva. Those cables are nice from MP and are double shielded, but I'd love for them to make non coaxial version. Dielectric Teflon is another great product for shielding.


I'm unable to swallow someone telling me that cable x and cable y makes their system sound way better, but if they tell me that it improves the signal degradation, then it sounds more plausible. Check out "noise floor".

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Yeah I think I am well and truly falling into that rabbit hole I was googling and found a lot of people had one of these things Panamax M5400-PM - so do I need that as well for the AMP to connect or is that another extra if you want to go that extra mile?? It looks cool but would have to start working out loads etc. I guess..

Wow, that M5400 looks way nice. I just got a free Panamax MR4300 for free for just ordering my AVR. I don't use it for much, I have my internet cables going through it and my BRP.


I started out with a Tripplite HT10DBS surge protector with 10 outlets. It was just fine (as a mega power strip) before I got my first amp, then it started to hum. I put the AVR and amp plugs at opposite ends of the strip and minimized it, but it was still there.


Then I got the power strip from Emotiva, this bad boy has some serious outlets. I have all three amps and my AVR plugged into it and there's no hum whatsoever.


So, is a power conditioner necessary?? I've gone five years without one. I suppose it would be nice and could come in handy, especially if you're running a lot of high current gear, or if you've got a lot of lightning strikes in your area. Yeah, if you've got the extra dough, hook it up.

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Anyone need a 50% off code? After I was given one to use and ordered my speakers, Polk sent me a code. AnnapolisSony was kind enough to share his with me, and I'd like to do the same for someone else. Just PM me!
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Yeah I think I am well and truly falling into that rabbit hole I was googling and found a lot of people had one of these things Panamax M5400-PM - so do I need that as well for the AMP to connect or is that another extra if you want to go that extra mile?? It looks cool but would have to start working out loads etc. I guess.


Edit, @AnnapolisSony - I just saw in your sig that you have the Panamax M5300 would that be ok for the Emo XPA-5 do you think - they have them at my local BB so I could pop down tomorrow and grab one. If it helps provide a clean sound to my new Polk's and protect the Emo I'm happy.
I absolutely love my PANAMAX power conditioner but it is strictly for power/surge protection. It really just gives me an extra piece of mind about protecting all of my components. I have my PJ, AVR, Emo, OPPO, 2 DVRs, a Sonos Connect and a Samsung TV running thru it.

You can also run your cable and Ethernet lines thru it as well but I do not do that. I have an Ethernet switch on the back of my rack so I can run lines directly to my AVR and my OPPO.

A fellow forum member, Carlos, told me to call Panamax to see if they had any refurb units for sale and they did. I think I saved 50% and the unit was virtually brand new! If you dont mind springing for a new and you have room in your rack, DO IT. Again, it is not necessary to have but it will surely give you a piece of mind.

Also, I have a trigger hooked up from my Emo to my AVR. So when I turn my AVR on and off, my Emo turns on and off as well. Very handy.

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I already have holes for the RC80i's so that is done but if I add a second pair for Atoms I will need to know where to put them, see the diagram of my layout as it is attached. I will go google Atmos speaker placement - do you have any good links? Oh and point 3, are the listener level speakers the front main LCR?

The listener-level speakers in your current system are the LCR, Sr, SB, and FW. Atmos for the home supports up to 24 listener-level speaker locations and 10 overhead (24.2.10) but presently only ultra-high-end processors can accommodate those configurations. The main-stream AVR/SSP's today are limited to a maximum of 11-channel processing with at most four height channels for 5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2, 7.1.4, or 9.1.2. The next-generation CEM processors will presumably up the ante a bit to allow 9.1.4 or perhaps even 9.1.6.

It appears from your diagram that your current in-ceiling speaker location is well situated for top middle (TM) in a 5.1.2 layout, which is the preferred location when using a single array. When you're ready to install a second height speaker pair you could then choose front height (FH), which has the advantage of being the only overhead location that is shared by the other surround-sound modes (DTS Neo:X, Dolby PLII, Audyssey DSX, Auro, etc.). See the below diagram and remember that with two pairs of height arrays you must choose non-contiguous locations.



Do your due diligence by reading the Dolby and DTS consumer guidance before cutting holes and running wires, paying careful attention to the recommended azimuth and elevation angles, and you will be rewarded with a great-sounding setup. And watch for changes or refinements in the next few months as the DTS:X rollout gathers steam.
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Okay, last question on where to place the Polk in-ceiling based on that diagram - how do you guys measure those angles, is there some magic laser angle finder gadget out there or something like that?
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Okay, last question on where to place the Polk in-ceiling based on that diagram - how do you guys measure those angles, is there some magic laser angle finder gadget out there or something like that?
It's basic geometry, but there are any number of ways to go about measuring the angles. You can spit-ball it (not recommended if you've gone to all the trouble and expense of equipping a dedicated home theatre), or you can do some simple linear measurements and then compute the angles using the geometric formulae or a calculator (here's a handy on-line version).

I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but my method for computing the angle (whether azimuth or elevation) is to measure the distance from the MLP (for a two- or more-person MLP you can use center of mass or you can maximize the output for the main listener) to the plane of the front soundstage (e.g., CC) and the distance from my ears to the center-of-mass of the speaker. Think of a right triangle (where one of the three leg angles is 90°) and you now have the length of two of the legs from which the calculations can be made for the third leg and the other two angles. One of those angles is your azimuth/elevation.

If someone else has a better method--or wants to correct my geometry--have at it!

And remember: this is not rocket science. If you look at the recommended angles in the diagram I posted you will see that the ranges are rather broad and in some cases overlap. Every room is different, everybody has to make greater or lesser compromises of some kind, and Dolby has claimed that it's pretty hard to mess this up.

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Whaaaaa? You mean Carlos was actually saving someone money instead of helping to spend more??? "Old man, you're slipping"


If I had the dough, I'd get one of these http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...mber=FUITRE20I a power conditioner that weighs 81 lbs

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Whaaaaa? You mean Carlos was actually saving someone money instead of helping to spend more??? "Old man, you're slipping"


If I had the dough, I'd get one of these http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...mber=FUITRE20I a power conditioner that weighs 81 lbs
Dang! Went to buy one but they're out of stock. ;-p
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Dang! Went to buy one but they're out of stock. ;-p
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Wow, that M5400 looks way nice. I just got a free Panamax MR4300 for free for just ordering my AVR.

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50% Sale at Polk

So looks like I ended up getting another 50% discount code for Friends and Family - my wife will kill me if I spend any more money so if any fellow Polkies are considering a purchase, grab this code and order NOW! Hurry as the offer runs out today - no PM as time is running out, the codes is here so first come first served!!!




Enter this code at checkout: POLKFF32DAF3822


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So looks like I ended up getting another 50% discount code for Friends and Family - my wife will kill me if I spend any more money



LOL, don't go getting yourself killed! Nice move here! Congrats on your haul, new amps, new speakers, new cables, here's a pic of an attempt at cable management, so far, not all power cables or any Ethernet cables have been added to this shot





After power cables and Ethernet cables



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