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I know I need better wire, but it is what best buy had, and I couldn't wait to hook them up so I just got what was available haha. Should I get banana plug terminated wire?
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+1 I have 14awg Mono Price in wall wire. The lower the gauge the better for signal transfer and there are major benefits in case of long distance runs.
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I know I need better wire, but it is what best buy had, and I couldn't wait to hook them up so I just got what was available haha. Should I get banana plug terminated wire?
If you plan to leave them be. bare wire is best. If your like many of us always moving things, then banana plugs are nice.
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If you plan to leave them be. bare wire is best. If your like many of us always moving things, then banana plugs are nice.
Yep, or locking banana plugs.
Make sure binding posts are tight on the bare wire.
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Yep, or locking banana plugs. Make sure binding posts are tight on the bare wire.
Yep, I always make sure our bindings are of the locking variety,
and especially tight on the bare.... wait a minute... what??!!!


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After a long search for a new set of floor-standers (which is no easy task these days), I finally settled on the Polks b/c they provided the best sound to value ratio for music listening. Others tried were Def Techs (Mythos), Dali's, B&W's, Megapan's, Energy's, Monitors, and a few others I can't remember. Others I wished I could have heard were the Tektons and SVS Ultra's, but impossible to find in the stores as I believe they are Internet only.

Anyway, then it came down to either the RTI's or LSiM's. I had heard both the A7's and 705's. As others have indicated, I felt the LSiM's provided the better overall sound, however it was a lot closer to my ears than what I had been reading. Regardless, I splurged for the 705's at $2K for the pair. And so far, they sound good, but not great, in my room (14x22 with high ceilings to the second floor).

While I find the sound of the 705's to be very well-rounded in the low to mid ranges, I do find that they lack a bit of clarity and tonality with high frequencies. For instance, cymbals and some strings seem muddled in the background. I realize they will not be as bright as the RTI's, however, the highs on these 705's are lacking even when compared to my old $200 KLH speakers from the '90's! I have powered the 705's both with a Yamaha stereo at 80 watts and Marantz AV/Crown combo at 300 watts...not much difference.

Have any other 705 owners noticed this issue on the high end? Of course, I have played with EQ settings to bring out the highs, but I still find they are a bit lacking in tonality. I had had read that the tweeters on the LSiM's were top line, but my ears just aren't hearing it. My hope is that they will improve with break-in time, but if not, I'll be on the fence about keeping them. Any input appreciated.
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Has anyone heard anything about the new Polk V60, V80, and V85 speakers? I was thinking about using them for Dolby Atmos. Would the V60 or V80 be better in the ceiling? The Polk website says "Great height effect speakers in Dolby Atmos® installations".

Any idea how they differ from other Polk in-ceiling speakers?

Any idea if they are timbre matched to the RTI A9 floor speakers?

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yep, i always make sure our bindings are of the locking variety,
and especially tight on the bare.... Wait a minute... what??!!!

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I used to have this in a 12/4 configuration and used to biwire at the speaker terminals only. then, I made my own jumpers and just doubled the 12/4. Now I just run 10/2 from Furez

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And so far, they sound good, but not great, in my room (14x22 with high ceilings to the second floor).

While I find the sound of the 705's to be very well-rounded in the low to mid ranges, I do find that they lack a bit of clarity and tonality with high frequencies. For instance, cymbals and some strings seem muddled in the background. I realize they will not be as bright as the RTI's, however, the highs on these 705's are lacking even when compared to my old $200 KLH speakers from the '90's! I have powered the 705's both with a Yamaha stereo at 80 watts and Marantz AV/Crown combo at 300 watts...not much difference.

Have any other 705 owners noticed this issue on the high end? Of course, I have played with EQ settings to bring out the highs, but I still find they are a bit lacking in tonality. I had had read that the tweeters on the LSiM's were top line, but my ears just aren't hearing it. My hope is that they will improve with break-in time, but if not, I'll be on the fence about keeping them. Any input appreciated.

Sorry to hear this. I don't have experience with the LiSM's however, I do have experience in placement. How far apart do you have them spaced in relation to width versus distance to seating? Do you have them toed in at all? You may already know that you can vary your toe in from crossing the axis in front of the listening position, to right at the mlp, to just behind the mlp.


You probably already know that proper placement will help tremendously in imaging and just may clean up your clarity issues!

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While I find the sound of the 705's to be very well-rounded in the low to mid ranges, I do find that they lack a bit of clarity and tonality with high frequencies. For instance, cymbals and some strings seem muddled in the background. I realize they will not be as bright as the RTI's, however, the highs on these 705's are lacking even when compared to my old $200 KLH speakers from the '90's! I have powered the 705's both with a Yamaha stereo at 80 watts and Marantz AV/Crown combo at 300 watts...not much difference.

Have any other 705 owners noticed this issue on the high end? Of course, I have played with EQ settings to bring out the highs, but I still find they are a bit lacking in tonality. I had had read that the tweeters on the LSiM's were top line, but my ears just aren't hearing it. My hope is that they will improve with break-in time, but if not, I'll be on the fence about keeping them. Any input appreciated.
The sound may indeed change somewhat after breaking in, but the Lsi line does sound different from the Rti's. While I have never heard the LsiM's specifically, I remember that my Lsi9's were disappointing when used for HDTV. They just sounded thin. The Rti's OTOH sound more "robust" (fuller & brighter if you will). Listening to the same music on my Rti's and Lsi's there are noticeable and significant differences in tonality, particularly on the high end. Overall I prefer to listen to music on the Rti's when I can crank it up, but the Lsi's sound better at lower levels... not that the Lsi's are any less capable. I believe they have a flatter, more consistent sound. I think that if you end up keeping your Lsi's you will not be disappointed. It may be that you need to become accustomed to their sound as much as they need to break in a little.

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Sorry to hear this. I don't have experience with the LiSM's however, I do have experience in placement. How far apart do you have them spaced in relation to width versus distance to seating? Do you have them toed in at all? You may already know that you can vary your toe in from crossing the axis in front of the listening position, to right at the mlp, to just behind the mlp.


You probably already know that proper placement will help tremendously in imaging and just may clean up your clarity issues!
Yes, absolutely. I have tried various placements, but notice the difference mainly with the low end. Here's my current set-up (attached)...roughly 6 feet spaced apart and 10 feet from listening area. The speakers sit roughly 6 inches from the back wall, and are downward-firing. Any suggestions to improve the high end?
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After a long search for a new set of floor-standers (which is no easy task these days), I finally settled on the Polks b/c they provided the best sound to value ratio for music listening. Others tried were Def Techs (Mythos), Dali's, B&W's, Megapan's, Energy's, Monitors, and a few others I can't remember. Others I wished I could have heard were the Tektons and SVS Ultra's, but impossible to find in the stores as I believe they are Internet only.

Anyway, then it came down to either the RTI's or LSiM's. I had heard both the A7's and 705's. As others have indicated, I felt the LSiM's provided the better overall sound, however it was a lot closer to my ears than what I had been reading. Regardless, I splurged for the 705's at $2K for the pair. And so far, they sound good, but not great, in my room (14x22 with high ceilings to the second floor).

While I find the sound of the 705's to be very well-rounded in the low to mid ranges, I do find that they lack a bit of clarity and tonality with high frequencies. For instance, cymbals and some strings seem muddled in the background. I realize they will not be as bright as the RTI's, however, the highs on these 705's are lacking even when compared to my old $200 KLH speakers from the '90's! I have powered the 705's both with a Yamaha stereo at 80 watts and Marantz AV/Crown combo at 300 watts...not much difference.

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I think the 705 lacks some in the bass when you don't have a sub. But the high end I can hear all the details. It will depend on your room and placement. you may need to move them closer or further back from the wall. What you describe sounds like your mlp is in a room mode dip or have some early reflections that may need treatment. the rti is like a dirty hasy window the lsim is like a clean window. I can hear more detail in the 705 then the A7s.
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Yes, absolutely. I have tried various placements, but notice the difference mainly with the low end. Here's my current set-up (attached)...roughly 6 feet spaced apart and 10 feet from listening area. The speakers sit roughly 6 inches from the back wall, and are downward-firing. Any suggestions to improve the high end?
pull the forward so that they are proud of the entertainment system. if you can space them out 8 feet appart. toe them in so they point at you the high end is very directional.
that is pretty close to how I have my setup.
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The sound may indeed change somewhat after breaking in, but the Lsi line does sound different from the Rti's. While I have never heard the LsiM's specifically, I remember that my Lsi9's were disappointing when used for HDTV. They just sounded thin. The Rti's OTOH sound more "robust" (fuller & brighter if you will). Listening to the same music on my Rti's and Lsi's there are noticeable and significant differences in tonality, particularly on the high end. Overall I prefer to listen to music on the Rti's when I can crank it up, but the Lsi's sound better at lower levels... not that the Lsi's are any less capable. I believe they have a flatter, more consistent sound. I think that if you end up keeping your Lsi's you will not be disappointed. It may be that you need to become accustomed to their sound as much as they need to break in a little.
Rob, very good analysis, and I agree 100% The LSiM's do sound better at lower volumes...they have slightly better mids and a more rounded low end that provides a sense of fullness. The A7's, of course, were brighter and were not far off in the low frequency range, but their woofers were more of a sharp "thud" vs. the smooth robustness of the LSiM's. At the risk of over analyzing this, I can't help wondering if the A9's would have been the sweet spot for me. Regardless, I do think it's a matter of adapting to a different sound than what I've been used to for 20 years with my old KLH's. Just hard to believe that $200 speakers from yesteryear can almost match the SQ of $2,000 speakers from today.
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Yes, absolutely. I have tried various placements, but notice the difference mainly with the low end. Here's my current set-up (attached)...roughly 6 feet spaced apart and 10 feet from listening area. The speakers sit roughly 6 inches from the back wall, and are downward-firing. Any suggestions to improve the high end?
Mr. Tim, very beautiful set up there! You have chosen wisely!!! Okay, maybe I'm just a tad bit envious


What "I'd" do with those mains; move them up to the edge of the rug, widen them about 6" each, then toe them in so the tweeters are pointing right at the center seat.


Give that a try and "see" what you "hear"


On second thought, those speakers are trash, just send them to me, I'll trade you a set of my A9's for them

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pull the forward so that they are proud of the entertainment system. if you can space them out 8 feet appart. toe them in so they point at you the high end is very directional.
that is pretty close to how I have my setup.
Ok, this helped -- thanks. Yes, the 705's are very directional which is an annoyance in itself since I often sit off to one side of the room. What should help improve the high end is when I get my surrounds. Will probably go with the A1's unless anyone has a better solution.
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Mr. Tim, very beautiful set up there! You have chosen wisely!!! Okay, maybe I'm just a tad bit envious

What "I'd" do with those mains; move them up to the edge of the rug, widen them about 6" each, then toe them in so the tweeters are pointing right at the center seat.

On second thought, those speakers are trash, just send them to me, I'll trade you a set of my A9's for them
Haha, good one, Geoff! Sooo, you have heard the 705's and prefer over your A9's? I wish I had the chance to test the A9's. When I tested the 705's vs the A7's at the hi-fi store, I was surprised at how good the A7's stacked up.

Anyway, the re-positioning of the 705's has helped. Thanks to everyone for the valuable and rapid responses -- I feel as though I've been inducted :-)
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Haha, good one, Geoff! Sooo, you have heard the 705's and prefer over your A9's? I wish I had the chance to test the A9's. When I tested the 705's vs the A7's at the hi-fi store, I was surprised at how good the A7's stacked up.

Anyway, the re-positioning of the 705's has helped. Thanks to everyone for the valuable and rapid responses -- I feel as though I've been inducted :-)

No sir, not yet! My ears are virgin to the LSiM series so far! But glad the repositioning has helped. I sounds like Fisch and I had the same suggestions for you

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Haha, good one, Geoff! Sooo, you have heard the 705's and prefer over your A9's? I wish I had the chance to test the A9's. When I tested the 705's vs the A7's at the hi-fi store, I was surprised at how good the A7's stacked up.

Anyway, the re-positioning of the 705's has helped. Thanks to everyone for the valuable and rapid responses -- I feel as though I've been inducted :-)
I like the fxi a4 or a6 for surrounds. although I am moving things around again and may replace my surround rear with the fxia4 then get an lsim 702
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Yes, absolutely. I have tried various placements, but notice the difference mainly with the low end. Here's my current set-up (attached)...roughly 6 feet spaced apart and 10 feet from listening area. The speakers sit roughly 6 inches from the back wall, and are downward-firing. Any suggestions to improve the high end?
Pretty cool setup!

What are you using to feed the 705s? I'm using an Emotiva XPA-2 and the speakers are not lacking anything to be honest with you. Yes, they sound different compared to the A9's - without much technical wording, in my experience the A9's are a tad on the bright side compared to the 705's.

Granted, I tried the 705s alone for testing purposes, but they are actually paired with subwoofers.
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