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The center plays something like 70-80% of the movie sound track. It and the sub are the most important. I was running 2.0 for a while while I saved up for the center, and I'm shocked at how little the fronts do in comparison to the center. I auditioned both the A4 and A6 centers, and the A6 just sounded so much fuller and robust.
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The only issue I'm aware of with pre-out voltage problems with any AVR is the use of a pro-amplifier. Some AVR's cant provide enough to fully drive the pro amp.. So if your planning on using a Crown, Behringer, etc amp then you need to pay attention a bit more.

If your using a regular home theater amp (Adcom, ATI, B&K, etc) thats not an issue so I would ignore it.

Personally I went Denon not for that reason, but that I prefer Audyssey XT32 over YPAO, MCACC and barely over ARC....
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Yamaha rates their receivers' preamp outputs very conservatively. The RX-A840 you are considering, like my RX-A2020, is rated at 1.0V output. The 2020's preamp section has far more than enough output to drive my Adcom GFA-5503 (1.4V input sensitivity rating) power amplifier. The Rotel RB-985 has a rated input sensitivity of 1.0V, so you will have no problem driving it to full output.
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The new crown series (XLS 1502 etc) has variable voltage control, so you're pretty much guaranteed not to run into problems as such.
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Im using a Yamaha tsr 7790bl and running 2 crown xli amps. A 1500 going to 2 polk tsi 500 and a 2500 going to 2 rti12's. Plus 2 subs with absolutely no problems but pissed off neighbors!!!
I was AWOL for a couple of days while you guys chimed in on my question - thanks! I'm glad to hear that the Yamaha AVR shouldn't present an issue with most amps. I was looking into Crown and Behringer iNuke for the really decent prices, but this Rotel is coming to me from the guy I'm getting the LSi9s from at a nice price (and a MUCH better THD figure at the rated max power output). If I can score a (relatively) cheap pair of LSi15s for the front stage and feel like I need more power for the front channels, there are quite a few used Emotivas floating around out there right now so I think I'm good either way.

Now I just have to decide whether to go with the Denon or spend the extra bill on the Aventage 1040. I'm leaning towards the Yamaha right now just for familiarity's sake; it'll work just like my 720 but with built-in wifi, Spotify, a better DAC, and upgraded YPAO. Don't know much of anything about differences between the EQ packages but even on the low-end 720 I've got, YPAO seems to do good things for my space. Maybe somebody in the know could expound a bit on YPAO vs. Audyssey?

I've come a long way from the RM6750 HtiB system I bought in 2008, hahaha.
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The center plays something like 70-80% of the movie sound track. It and the sub are the most important. I was running 2.0 for a while while I saved up for the center, and I'm shocked at how little the fronts do in comparison to the center. I auditioned both the A4 and A6 centers, and the A6 just sounded so much fuller and robust.
Good Lord yes, when my satellite HTiB system died three years ago and I replaced it with towers and a real center, I couldn't believe how much better it was, especially in the summer with a window AC in the room. No more "turn it up for dialog... now turn it down so the soundtrack and the explosions don't piss off the neighbors..." every time I watch something.

And you can't really beat dialog that is coming from the same general vicinity as the picture, rather than off to the sides and then MAYBE assembling into the illusion of a stereo image in the right place IF your L/R are good enough AND they are set up right AND your room doesn't screw up the imaging...

I went from the puny little RM6751 HTiB center to a CS400 and then a CS400i, which is roughly the equivalent of the CSiA6, but three or four models older. And I'll always vote for the biggest possible center speaker that timbre-matches the fronts.
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Can anyone open these for pics?
Affirmative - the links UNDER your question I can click through and see.

It looks like the images you attempted to link immediately above your text have a spurious "http://www.avsforum.com/forum/" appended to the beginning of them. Then there is HTML code that shouldn't be there which is preventing them from rendering in the bulletin board software.

I can see the code in my edit window where I quoted your post, and I massaged it for you to display in this reply. It looks like anything in between the image tags should be just a straight up URL starting with "http://..." - no angle brackets or "a href" or any of that HTML stuff.
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Affirmative - the links UNDER your question I can click through and see.

It looks like the images you attempted to link immediately above your text have a spurious "http://www.avsforum.com/forum/" appended to the beginning of them. Then there is HTML code that shouldn't be there which is preventing them from rendering in the bulletin board software.

I can see the code in my edit window where I quoted your post, and I massaged it for you to display in this reply. It looks like anything in between the image tags should be just a straight up URL starting with "http://..." - no angle brackets or "a href" or any of that HTML stuff.

Ahhh, thanks for the heads up!!! Man, what a chore to load pics from what it used to be a few years ago

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Ahhh, thanks for the heads up!!! Man, what a chore to load pics from what it used to be a few years ago
Were you dragging them from a Google Drive the first couple of times? Cloud storage interacts... unpredictably... with forum software like this. I think it was choking on the super long "googleuser" URLs - there's probably a hard-coded character limit for web addresses in the forum software.

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Were you dragging them from a Google Drive the first couple of times? Cloud storage interacts... unpredictably... with forum software like this. I think it was choking on the super long "googleuser" URLs - there's probably a hard-coded character limit for web addresses in the forum software.
Yes sir, that's exactly what I was "trying" to do


Have you decided on an AVR yet?

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Anyway, the thumbnails came through just fine on the most recent post, and when you click them expanded versions pop up, so looks like whatever you did there is the way to go.

Also, holy crap, that's a lot of gear. And I know you've got more. Way to keep Emotiva and Polk in business there, all by yourself.
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Have you decided on an AVR yet?
I try not to make large-ish spending decisions after 2:30 AM, especially when I've been drinking.

Went and read more about the Denon earlier and now I might be leaning that way though... sounds like the amplifier is a little more robust and they claim it's rated to operate 4 ohm speakers on "all channels," whereas the Yamaha user manual downloads say the Aventage units only really should run 4 ohm in the front L/R. If I get a pair of LSi15s for front L/R then the 9s will go to side surround and the 7s will go to rear surround or front height and I'll need to run the 7s off the AVR at least for awhile until I can get a second external amp.

My God, this is a money pit.
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I try not to make large-ish spending decisions after 2:30 AM, especially when I've been drinking.

Went and read more about the Denon earlier and now I might be leaning that way though... sounds like the amplifier is a little more robust and they claim it's rated to operate 4 ohm speakers on "all channels," whereas the Yamaha user manual downloads say the Aventage units only really should run 4 ohm in the front L/R. If I get a pair of LSi15s for front L/R then the 9s will go to side surround and the 7s will go to rear surround or front height and I'll need to run the 7s off the AVR at least for awhile until I can get a second external amp.

My God, this is a money pit.

LOL, I can relate!!!! Yeah, I like to call this "quicksand"


It sounds like you have it narrowed down pretty well on your AVR direction. Not to cause you more trouble, but.........have you looked at A4L? I got my Integra from them, heck of a deal, I went from an Onkyo 807 to the DTR-70. Nice little upgrade and I paid half price on A4L. They might have what you're looking for at a much lower cost.

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LOL, I can relate!!!! Yeah, I like to call this "quicksand"


It sounds like you have it narrowed down pretty well on your AVR direction. Not to cause you more trouble, but.........have you looked at A4L? I got my Integra from them, heck of a deal, I went from an Onkyo 807 to the DTR-70. Nice little upgrade and I paid half price on A4L. They might have what you're looking for at a much lower cost.
Yeah A4L is where I found those two or three different models at acceptable prices. I'm not able to pay retail for those babies when they are new! The Denon seems like a particularly good deal at $450.
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Interesting cooling solution you have there on the right... for the Emo's I'm guessing?


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That's a lot of power Geoff, and your cables look neat! And it reminds me I need to buy one of those pangeas powercables... I've been upgrade less for way too long =S

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I try not to make large-ish spending decisions after 2:30 AM, especially when I've been drinking.

Went and read more about the Denon earlier and now I might be leaning that way though... sounds like the amplifier is a little more robust and they claim it's rated to operate 4 ohm speakers on "all channels," whereas the Yamaha user manual downloads say the Aventage units only really should run 4 ohm in the front L/R. If I get a pair of LSi15s for front L/R then the 9s will go to side surround and the 7s will go to rear surround or front height and I'll need to run the 7s off the AVR at least for awhile until I can get a second external amp.

My God, this is a money pit.
I like my Yamaha, and I like being consistent with the app and remote. When we had different things in two rooms life was much more of a headache.
What I notice is YAPO calibrates flat and some times that makes you question where the bass went. where as the other software calibrates for the movies and puts a little pop into the bass.
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I was AWOL for a couple of days while you guys chimed in on my question - thanks! I'm glad to hear that the Yamaha AVR shouldn't present an issue with most amps. I was looking into Crown and Behringer iNuke for the really decent prices, but this Rotel is coming to me from the guy I'm getting the LSi9s from at a nice price (and a MUCH better THD figure at the rated max power output). If I can score a (relatively) cheap pair of LSi15s for the front stage and feel like I need more power for the front channels, there are quite a few used Emotivas floating around out there right now so I think I'm good either way.

Now I just have to decide whether to go with the Denon or spend the extra bill on the Aventage 1040. I'm leaning towards the Yamaha right now just for familiarity's sake; it'll work just like my 720 but with built-in wifi, Spotify, a better DAC, and upgraded YPAO. Don't know much of anything about differences between the EQ packages but even on the low-end 720 I've got, YPAO seems to do good things for my space. Maybe somebody in the know could expound a bit on YPAO vs. Audyssey?

I've come a long way from the RM6750 HtiB system I bought in 2008, hahaha.
I noticed that YOU mentioned the Yammy A1040. Not too sure how much that avr will cost YOU. But, here YOU can get a factory refurbished Yammie A1040:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...uced-50/1.html

For only $550 w/free shipping it really is a good deal. I just recently bought a Marantz SR6009 from acc4less and could NOT be any happier. Have had no issues so far. I did, however, purchase a 3-year extended warranty. Have owned Yamaha in the past and know first hand just how good they are. Just thought I would mention this as acc4less is great to deal with. Highly recommend.

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I try not to make large-ish spending decisions after 2:30 AM, especially when I've been drinking.

Went and read more about the Denon earlier and now I might be leaning that way though... sounds like the amplifier is a little more robust and they claim it's rated to operate 4 ohm speakers on "all channels," whereas the Yamaha user manual downloads say the Aventage units only really should run 4 ohm in the front L/R. If I get a pair of LSi15s for front L/R then the 9s will go to side surround and the 7s will go to rear surround or front height and I'll need to run the 7s off the AVR at least for awhile until I can get a second external amp.

My God, this is a money pit.
I'm going to be brutally honest here...

NEVER TRUST A AVR TO RUN 4 OHM SPEAKERS. I DONT GIVE A FLYING F#LK@# WHAT THE RATINGS SAY.

If your running 4 ohm speakers, there is a very good chance at some point they dip down to 3 ohms or even lower and NO AVR can handle that decently. Your slowing killing your AVR on that load.

Buy a AVR for its features, and with pre-outs. If you have 4 ohms speakers, just BUDGET an amp in the mix. I wont even THINK about running my LSi's off an AVR even if it means I have to use the TV speakers while my amp is in the shop. If you have standard 8 ohm speakers, then your ok to look at the power ratings UNDERSTANDING they are with 2 channels driven and each speaker you add subtracts from the total wattage you can provide to a individual speaker.

I bought my Denon totally ignoring its ratings for my 5 channels and looking at it more from a perspective of driving in wall heights, and maybe some Atmos speakers but would go with 8 ohm speakers so no LSi off the Denon.

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