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Hey everyone thank you guys for all your help with all my questions. I have one more, I have a 7.2 system rtia7 for fronts and csi a6 for centre. I'm looking to biamp the fronts and the centre. What's the best way to do it? I was told to get an 11.2 reciever and have them running off the same thing. I was thinking of getting an emotiva 3 channel and connecting that but was told it's not good to have different power sources going to a speaker. This is for my home theatre so I'm trying to make it perfect
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Hey everyone thank you guys for all your help with all my questions. I have one more, I have a 7.2 system rtia7 for fronts and csi a6 for centre. I'm looking to biamp the fronts and the centre. What's the best way to do it? I was told to get an 11.2 reciever and have them running off the same thing. I was thinking of getting an emotiva 3 channel and connecting that but was told it's not good to have different power sources going to a speaker. This is for my home theatre so I'm trying to make it perfect
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You can ignore what I'm about to say if you really have your heart set on bi-amping but I use to have the exact same set up you have and I bi-amped my A7's and I really wanted to hear a difference. But no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't hear any difference between bi-amping and not bi-amping. The kicker was that no one else could tell a difference either. Personally I would save your money.
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Hey everyone thank you guys for all your help with all my questions. I have one more, I have a 7.2 system rtia7 for fronts and csi a6 for centre. I'm looking to biamp the fronts and the centre. What's the best way to do it? I was told to get an 11.2 reciever and have them running off the same thing. I was thinking of getting an emotiva 3 channel and connecting that but was told it's not good to have different power sources going to a speaker. This is for my home theatre so I'm trying to make it perfect
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You can ignore what I'm about to say if you really have your heart set on bi-amping but I use to have the exact same set up you have and I bi-amped my A7's and I really wanted to hear a difference. But no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't hear any difference between bi-amping and not bi-amping. The kicker was that no one else could tell a difference either. Personally I would save your money.
Well that's good to know thank you. I appreciate your post I'm relying on others for what to do
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Bi-amping from the same receiver will yield zero.

As another anecdotal story, I tried bi-amping my RTi10's from my receiver and the difference was nada. Zilch. Zero.

Even with properly bi-amping using separate identical amps is a big "maybe".
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Bi-amping from the same receiver will yield zero.

As another anecdotal story, I tried bi-amping my RTi10's from my receiver and the difference was nada. Zilch. Zero.

Even with properly bi-amping using separate identical amps is a big "maybe".
Here is the issue. To really bi-amp RIGHT, it requires you to pull the passive crossover and install a electronic or analog crossover BEFORE the amps.

The point of it is to ONLY amplify the frequencies the amp is producing and to do that you HAVE to filter them out BEFORE the amp.

No current AVR has that ability.
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Here is the issue. To really bi-amp RIGHT, it requires you to pull the passive crossover and install a electronic or analog crossover BEFORE the amps.

The point of it is to ONLY amplify the frequencies the amp is producing and to do that you HAVE to filter them out BEFORE the amp.

No current AVR has that ability.
Yes... And it also seems very complicated, and somewhat dangerous to get it right... Dangerous for people with limited knowledge like me, haha

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and good active crossovers are really expensive, too... Better get the money going on upgrades having a bigger impact, like speakers, doesn't it?

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See if there is a setting in the pioneer to increase the voltage being sent out by the AVR. Also how long of a cable are you using, and what brand, etc.


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and good active crossovers are really expensive, too... Better get the money going on upgrades having a bigger impact, like speakers, doesn't it?
Eh you could use a minidsp which is not too pricey but then you need to program in the crossovers which is not super easy to get right.
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Well that's good to know thank you. I appreciate your post I'm relying on others for what to do
Another trial report:

I tried the bi-amping on my RTi A9 first through different amp channels on the AVR only - nothing.
Then, I used the XPA-5 to power the A9s bi-amped - nothing.

I had others listen to this as well - honest others ;-) - and of course my lady, all came to the same conclusion.

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polk 550/660

Hello Team,
iam from india.

Can you please advice on sub polk compare to svs, polk 550 is around 34k and 660 is 40k .SVS is around 55k.please advice be the sub.
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Awesome thanks everyone for your feedback I'll save the money
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Can you please advice on sub polk compare to svs, polk 550 is around 34k and 660 is 40k .SVS is around 55k.please advice be the sub.
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Get the SVS, it'll be much better than polk subs.
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Get the SVS, it'll be much better than polk subs.
Yes, Polk subs are sub-par and you should chose the SVS in your case.
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Help deciding if Polks are right for me

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I'm replacing my 18 year old speaker setup. The new wife doesn't like the look of them, so aesthetics are a concern. I currently have a 65" Samsung LED hanging on the wall with a Paradigm CC350 center and two Paradigm Mini Monitors for the FL and FR. Surround duty is handled by a pair of Paradigm Titans. They are all being driven by a Denon 2112 CI and the sub is a Polk DSW Micropro 3000. The room is quite large (24 x 19 with a 22 foot peaked ceiling) and it's open to the kitchen behind the seating area.

I've gotten several recommendations on this forum for the EMP R55ti speakers and been told it would be a good idea to get a second sub since the room is so large. I do like the specs on the EMP speakers, and the reviews seem to be really positive. I would like to know how they compare to the Polk lines. I can actually demo the Polks here in town. My thoughts were to go with a pair of RTIA7's for the front and the CSIA6 for the center. Would the RTIA3 make a good surround speaker or should I go with something that is less "direct"?

I'm looking for opinions on how this would sound for almost 100% movie/TV watching. Is the Denon a good receiver to drive them or will I need more power? One of my current problems is that dialogue is getting more difficult for me to hear so I'd want to make sure the center isn't going to be an issue.

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I'm replacing my 18 year old speaker setup. The new wife doesn't like the look of them, so aesthetics are a concern. I currently have a 65" Samsung LED hanging on the wall with a Paradigm CC350 center and two Paradigm Mini Monitors for the FL and FR. Surround duty is handled by a pair of Paradigm Titans. They are all being driven by a Denon 2112 CI and the sub is a Polk DSW Micropro 3000. The room is quite large (24 x 19 with a 22 foot peaked ceiling) and it's open to the kitchen behind the seating area.

I've gotten several recommendations on this forum for the EMP R55ti speakers and been told it would be a good idea to get a second sub since the room is so large. I do like the specs on the EMP speakers, and the reviews seem to be really positive. I would like to know how they compare to the Polk lines. I can actually demo the Polks here in town. My thoughts were to go with a pair of RTIA7's for the front and the CSIA6 for the center. Would the RTIA3 make a good surround speaker or should I go with something that is less "direct"?

I'm looking for opinions on how this would sound for almost 100% movie/TV watching. Is the Denon a good receiver to drive them or will I need more power? One of my current problems is that dialogue is getting more difficult for me to hear so I'd want to make sure the center isn't going to be an issue.

Thanks in advance.
WOW! That is a huge room. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the RTiA7s and CSiA6. So long as you cross them around 80 Hz and have a dedicated sub to do the heavy lifting, power shouldn't be a major concern unless you like to listen at reference. Then I'd say you may need a dedicated amp for the front left and right speakers.

As far as the sub situation goes, that is a monster room. A single sub will not be able to adequately pressurize that amount of space. You may need two subs to cover the area and eliminate nulls. That in and of itself can be problematic when positioning though. If I had a space that big I would be looking at a pair of 18" ported subs. Those can get pricey though. Good luck on the speaker search. Don't dismiss the RTiA9s and an amp either. They can really pound out the sound when powered well.

As far as the surrounds go, I'd lean more towards the F/XiA6s. They are unparalleled for surround duty and can be dipole or bipole depending on your tastes.
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WOW! That is a huge room. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the RTiA7s and CSiA6. So long as you cross them around 80 Hz and have a dedicated sub to do the heavy lifting, power shouldn't be a major concern unless you like to listen at reference. Then I'd say you may need a dedicated amp for the front left and right speakers.

As far as the sub situation goes, that is a monster room. A single sub will not be able to adequately pressurize that amount of space. You may need two subs to cover the area and eliminate nulls. That in and of itself can be problematic when positioning though. If I had a space that big I would be looking at a pair of 18" ported subs. Those can get pricey though. Good luck on the speaker search. Don't dismiss the RTiA9s and an amp either. They can really pound out the sound when powered well.

As far as the surrounds go, I'd lean more towards the F/XiA6s. They are unparalleled for surround duty and can be dipole or bipole depending on your tastes.
Thank you for your advice. Do you have some brands you recommend I shop for subs? If I were to go with an amp, would I have to replace the Denon or could I use that like a pre-amp? Sorry if it's a noob question, but that's not something I've ever tried before.
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Thank you for your advice. Do you have some brands you recommend I shop for subs? If I were to go with an amp, would I have to replace the Denon or could I use that like a pre-amp? Sorry if it's a noob question, but that's not something I've ever tried before.
For subs any of the Internet direct sub companies are the way to go. HSU, SVS, PSA, Rythmic. PSA has a very active thread on AVS and they swayed me into getting a 18“ v1800 sub that I have has for about a month now. All the ID companies are great but just read some in the forums and decided on what suites your decor and price range. Dual subs are better than one but buy the biggest your wallet allows and that your wife want freak out about as some can be very large.

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For subs any of the Internet direct sub companies are the way to go. HSU, SVS, PSA, Rythmic. PSA has a very active thread on AVS and they swayed me into getting a 18“ v1800 sub that I have has for about a month now. All the ID companies are great but just read some in the forums and decided on what suites your decor and price range. Dual subs are better than one but buy the biggest your wallet allows and that your wife want freak out about as some can be very large.

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Sage advice... All solid companies! If you want to go big, JTR and Seaton sound would also be great if you want to settle the bass dept with a juggernaut once and for all...

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Sage advice... All solid companies! If you want to go big, JTR and Seaton sound would also be great if you want to settle the bass dept with a juggernaut once and for all...
Deep Sea Sound is another to add to the list.... they sell ONLY 18" and 24" subs lol........ I'd KILL to hear a set of 2 of those with some low frequency sweeps or Hey Irene!......
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Deep Sea Sound is another to add to the list.... they sell ONLY 18" and 24" subs lol........ I'd KILL to hear a set of 2 of those with some low frequency sweeps or Hey Irene!......
Thank you all for the suggestions. I'll take a look at all those companies. I took a quick peek at the Deep Sea 24" incher. I think this would get me a divorce
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Thank you all for the suggestions. I'll take a look at all those companies. I took a quick peek at the Deep Sea 24" incher. I think this would get me a divorce
The 18" v1800 from Power Sound Audio had my wife asking if I ordered a small fridge.. LOL.

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LOL. I bet that was a fun conversation. I think you are right though. With 6000 cubic feet of air to move, I'm going to need something big.
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LOL. I bet that was a fun conversation. I think you are right though. With 6000 cubic feet of air to move, I'm going to need something big.
She is over it now but I said I showed you with a tape measure and said it was X and Y bigger and she said that didn’t mean anything and she would need to see it to see the size. If you look about 20 or 30 posts above I posted pictures of my setup and the sub. I posted it on Sunday I think.

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LOL..... so then you could get TWO of them.... they do offer a end table option which might make it go over easier WAF wise..... price wise.... well buy her a REALLY nice set of shoes/purse/dress to account for it....

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Shoulda said I'm ordering a small fridge for one side and a small freezer for the other

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LOL. I bet that was a fun conversation. I think you are right though. With 6000 cubic feet of air to move, I'm going to need something big.
Well you either need two BIG's or a fair number of littles..... I couple pairs of 15" dual opposed drivers spaced around the room would work great. But if your wanting to get a decent SPL down into the teens, then your in dual 24" driver territory all day long.... ESPECIALLY if your in a basement on a concrete slab. On a plywood subfloor your better off, but still its not doing you a ton of favors with a room that size lol...

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She is over it now but I said I showed you with a tape measure and said it was X and Y bigger and she said that didn’t mean anything and she would need to see it to see the size. If you look about 20 or 30 posts above I posted pictures of my setup and the sub. I posted it on Sunday I think.

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That's a nice looking setup. That Paradigm looks small compared to your new sub, and I know it isn't small.
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That's a nice looking setup. That Paradigm looks small compared to your new sub, and I know it isn't small.
No its not small for a 12. It's the same size as a small dog crate. The v1800 looks almost twice the size though.. LOL.

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I'm replacing my 18 year old speaker setup... They are all being driven by a Denon 2112 CI and the sub is a Polk DSW Micropro 3000. The room is quite large (24 x 19 with a 22 foot peaked ceiling) and it's open to the kitchen behind the seating area... My thoughts were to go with a pair of RTIA7's for the front and the CSIA6 for the center. Would the RTIA3 make a good surround speaker or should I go with something that is less "direct"?

I'm looking for opinions on how this would sound for almost 100% movie/TV watching. Is the Denon a good receiver to drive them or will I need more power? One of my current problems is that dialogue is getting more difficult for me to hear so I'd want to make sure the center isn't going to be an issue.
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If I were to go with an amp, would I have to replace the Denon or could I use that like a pre-amp? Sorry if it's a noob question, but that's not something I've ever tried before.
Unfortunately the 2112 cannot be used as a preamp. The "lowest" Denon in the 2012 line with pre-outs was the 3312. Check threads by Batpig for good lists of which Denon's can do what. I used a 3312 to drive Polk RtiA7's and a CsiA6 center with RtiA3 surrounds until upgrading to RtiA9's a couple years ago. To drive the A9's required an external amp and I chose the Emotiva XPA-5. All that lasted until I moved last year and have used a Denon 4520 with Rti12's in our new home and a Denon 2112 with Rti8's in our old home while it is on the market. We live in both houses for the time being and most of the RtiA's are in storage. Just updated my profile and signature this past winter.

The 2112 is a decent AVR and the CsiA6 should be more than enough to adequately deliver clear dialogue. Here is a suggestion though. You may consider getting the CsiA6 and just the RtaA3's and drive them with your 2112, just so you can get to know the "Polk sound" if you will. The RtiA7's are after all basically a RtiA3 with a couple low end bass drivers added. Then you can work on the sub situation as most of the other responses to your post have focused on. Often times you can find slightly used or refurbished A3's and CsiA6's on eBay or Amazon. Listen to them for a couple months minimum and see what you think. Also it is true that twin subs (two subs of the same model) will provide far superior results than a single sub no matter how large. Also as mentioned earlier Polk subs aren't that great.

Like you I had an older system that I really liked but in time mine was inappropriate for HT and it took me a loooong time to find what new equipment I liked, and then went thru several different brands and several different models from each manufacturer before settling on the Rti's. The Lsi's are really nice but quite pricey so I think given you are primarily HT you will be pleased with the Rti's.

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I am running a 5.1 system. 2 Lsi9's, a Lsi center, Polk T15 rears and a SVS Pci 20-39 sub. Has anyone upgraded their front three from this
set-up? What was your results from these changes? Room size 16x18x9 (sealed). Budget 1500. I have had this set-ut for 10 years. Tried the SVS Primes with matching center. Very little difference. Thanks in advance.
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I am running a 5.1 system. 2 Lsi9's, a Lsi center, Polk T15 rears and a SVS Pci 20-39 sub. Has anyone upgraded their front three from this
set-up? What was your results from these changes? Room size 16x18x9 (sealed). Budget 1500. I have had this set-ut for 10 years. Tried the SVS Primes with matching center. Very little difference. Thanks in advance.
I had LSi15s, LSi center, LSi FX, and Polk rears in my last house. I just finished my new house and purchased LSiM 703s and matching center. First off, the front speakers you have now are very nice speakers and I had my doubts that I would like the 703s more, but I do. I swapped my LSi fronts for my new LSiM fronts in my HT. My LSi's are now in my living room. My LSiM's are mated to a Rythmik D15SE and crossed at 80 Hz. They sound great. Hopefully sometime in the next 6 months Polk will put them on sale at 50% off again, which is how I bought mine. Replacing your front LSi's for $1500 may be hard - they are nice speakers, which is why I mention the sale. If you can get a deal on LSiM's, you can use the LSi9's for rears (and the center for a rear) and ultimately add LSiM f/X for surrounds in the future. In fact look back thru these posts. One store was selling the LSiM front the for a great price.

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