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Today my new signature set come !!!

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May I ask how much did you pay for the 85VX200? That was a $50K pro monitor back in 2011 and it is amazing. Great monitor for preview broadcasting/video control rooms.



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I haven't done any comparisons but I'm super happy with the S15s. My setup is much more modest than many here and I wanted to keep it around $1500 for the entire setup (S15 L/R, S35 center, Pioneer SW-8MK2 sub, Marantz 1606). The S15s continue to impress me across many types of music and movies. I have young twins and don't need to listen very loud, though on the extremely rare occasions that I'm home alone I love to crank it up and they sound fantastic. Also my wife, who does not care at all about speakers or home theater stuff in general, has made several comments about how amazing they sound. At some point I might get some S20s for L/R and move the S15s to rear surround, but I'm in no hurry as the S15s sound great to my ears as primary speakers.
How do the S35 sound? How are they mid-lows with the small drivers??

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i was lucky about 85vx200 paid 3000 usd

the woman who sold this dont know anything about it

its still much better than my other 4 k tvs other room..
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i was lucky about 85vx200 paid 3000 usd

the woman who sold this dont know anything about it

its still much better than my other 4 k tvs other room..
Nice find man.

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Question for all RTiA owners out there. I've been looking into front ported speakers. I've found some good deals on the RTiA 1 and CSiA6. I currently have a Denon 2112CI for my receiver. I've read some issues with the CSiA6 being very power hungry, so wondering if my receiver would adequately power this. I will be running this with a SVS PB2000 for my subwoofer.


Also, that CSiA6 I note is very huge, especially depth wise, so if crossing a sub around 80-90hz, does the extra low end of the CSiA6 compared to the A4 really come into play? Obvisouly the CSiA4 is more easily to fit, so just would love to hear people's opinions. Thanks!
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I went with an all signature series about a month ago.... S15 F-R/L, S30 Center and S10's for center High (atmos) and rears with two MonoPrice 109723 subwoofers and two Aura bass shakers. Originally ordered the S20's for the fronts but ended up waiting a week and they got lost in delivery... Out of frustration and annoyance of having the rest of my speakers waiting for them I ended up just going down to BB and getting the S15's which were available for pickup. After all was said and done I ended up being very happy with the S15's, they are great.
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Question for all RTiA owners out there. I've been looking into front ported speakers. I've found some good deals on the RTiA 1 and CSiA6. I currently have a Denon 2112CI for my receiver. I've read some issues with the CSiA6 being very power hungry, so wondering if my receiver would adequately power this. I will be running this with a SVS PB2000 for my subwoofer.


Also, that CSiA6 I note is very huge, especially depth wise, so if crossing a sub around 80-90hz, does the extra low end of the CSiA6 compared to the A4 really come into play? Obvisouly the CSiA4 is more easily to fit, so just would love to hear people's opinions. Thanks!
As far as power hungry, I don't know. I'm running the csia6 with a yamaha 1060 and I have zero issues with it. The two channel amp is running the L and R, so the receiver is pushing the center and rears with no sign of being underpowered.

And yes, the A6 is deep. Hefty one it is.
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Question for all RTiA owners out there. I've been looking into front ported speakers. I've found some good deals on the RTiA 1 and CSiA6. I currently have a Denon 2112CI for my receiver. I've read some issues with the CSiA6 being very power hungry, so wondering if my receiver would adequately power this. I will be running this with a SVS PB2000 for my subwoofer.
The CSiA6 is not particularly power-hungry (sensitivity is rated at 90 dB); your AVR-2112CI should do just fine unless you have a huge room and like to listen at wall-rattling volume.

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Also, that CSiA6 I note is very huge, especially depth wise, so if crossing a sub around 80-90hz, does the extra low end of the CSiA6 compared to the A4 really come into play? Obvisouly the CSiA4 is more easily to fit, so just would love to hear people's opinions. Thanks!
You did not tell us anything about your room or how you intend to use your system, but just in general I would advise moving up to the RTiA3 paired with the CSiA6. If you have a small room and/or a small budget then you could move down to the RTiA1/CSiA4 combo. But for TV/movies, the center channel is probably the most critical one and I would want to use the best speaker I could for this purpose (not to mention that you will ideally want to match L/C/R for seamless panning); for music, you can get by with anything (or nothing at all) in the center.
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The CSiA6 is not particularly power-hungry (sensitivity is rated at 90 dB); your AVR-2112CI should do just fine unless you have a huge room and like to listen at wall-rattling volume.



You did not tell us anything about your room or how you intend to use your system, but just in general I would advise moving up to the RTiA3 paired with the CSiA6. If you have a small room and/or a small budget then you could move down to the RTiA1/CSiA4 combo. But for TV/movies, the center channel is probably the most critical one and I would want to use the best speaker I could for this purpose (not to mention that you will ideally want to match L/C/R for seamless panning); for music, you can get by with anything (or nothing at all) in the center.
My room is 12x21 with 7 foot ceilings, with the MLP about 12 feet from where the front speakers are located. This is primarily for HT. I was under the assumption that the RTiA3 isn't very much needed if one is running a sub considering the extra extension with the RTiA3 will be negated by the subwoofer. Am I missing something here?

Also, what benefit does the CSiA6 have over the CSiA4 especially since the tweeter is the same, but only the woofers are larger? Wouldn't this be the same issue with the fronts, that since crossing with the sub the extra extension won't matter anyways? I obvisouly like the price sticker better on the RTiA1 and CSiA4, but I obviously want to get the best bang for my buck.
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As a long time owner and currently using both CSiA4 and CSiA6 in two concurrent setups, I can tell you neither of them are power hungry. But the difference is integration. For big speakers, like the RTiA9 as LR, the CSiA4 can struggle a bit to keep up. I also find the CSiA4's sound stage to be a bit narrower than A6. For small speakers like the RTiA1 or A3, I believe the CSiA4 would have no problem keeping up. And you must also have found out that CSiA6 is kind of very big. It also has two rear ports, that the A4 doesn't.

The CSiA6 serves 14.5 x 17.5 x 7.2(h) room , the CSiA4 serves 14.5 x 16 X 10(h) room. Crossing to the subs at 80 Hz on both. Tweeters sound the same but the mid range that are a bit different. For your room, I would prefer a combo of RTi A3 and CSiA4.
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I have the rtia3s and csia6. Never heard the rtia1s but I did try the csia4 before settling on the a6. My room is 15x25 and I sit about 12' away. I found that the csia6 has more depth especially for male voices and fills the room a bit better. Also a more seamless front soundstage with the rtia3s. They all pretty much sound like the same speaker. The csia4 definitely had a different sound. This is all with sub crossed at 80hz. However if you went with A1s then csia4 should be a good match.
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My room is 12x21 with 7 foot ceilings, with the MLP about 12 feet from where the front speakers are located. This is primarily for HT. I was under the assumption that the RTiA3 isn't very much needed if one is running a sub considering the extra extension with the RTiA3 will be negated by the subwoofer. Am I missing something here?

Also, what benefit does the CSiA6 have over the CSiA4 especially since the tweeter is the same, but only the woofers are larger? Wouldn't this be the same issue with the fronts, that since crossing with the sub the extra extension won't matter anyways? I obvisouly like the price sticker better on the RTiA1 and CSiA4, but I obviously want to get the best bang for my buck.
Yes, you are missing the mechanics of audio reproduction (I'll leave it to more knowledgeable contributors to explain SPL, crossovers, etc.). To put it simply, the RtiA3 is beefier and will outperform the A1. The same goes for the CSiA4/A6 comparison. Now, whether the difference is significant to your ears in your room--and whether that improvement is worth the extra cost--is something only you can decide. Based on the room's volume (roughly 1800 cubic feet) and the distance to the MLP of 12 feet, I would suggest that you will want the bigger speakers. However, if your room is well treated and/or you will not be very demanding of your speakers, none of this may be particularly significant.

As far as bang for the buck is concerned, that's a rather subjective judgment. If you are at all undecided, I would recommend that you go to a local store that has all of these speakers on hand (or at least the RTiA1/3 combo) and purchase them for a home trial (with the guarantee of a limited free return period). That way you are not making a blind choice and will have a reasonable idea of what to expect of your system beforehand.

If you want others' opinions besides the two posters above (both perfectly reasonable IMO), you can also google AVSForum (don't bother using the site's search feature, which is woefully inadequate) for pertinent threads. You won't necessarily find a consensus (since there a number of variables involved including subjective opinions), but at least you can factor some of the viewpoints into your thinking. Here are couple that might interest you:

Polk RTiA1 vs RTiA3 vs RTiA5 (still need subwoofer?)

Music in Small Listening Room - Polk RTI A1 vs RTI A3

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Rti(A) vs Lsi(M)

As many of you may know, I am heavily invested in Rti's. In our previous home we needed them for HT, as the living room was "deep" and perfect for 7.2 with rear surrounds. We have since moved to a "wide" living room and I have become accustomed to running a "mere" 5.2 config... not really practical to run wires to rears, and not much room for mounting them anyway.

Recently I picked up a few LsiM's... smallish compared to the A9's, but they sure sound sweet! As the Rti12's (and Rti8 surrounds) are still standing here in the LR, I've toyed with the idea of using the 12's at full range for stereo music and reserving the LsiM's - crossed to 2x subs - for HT. I may play with this sometime. The 12's sure do have a nice full bottom end, which seems to be more pleasing than using subs to fill in the bottom end for the 703's.

FWIW, I found the Rti4's make better surrounds than do the larger 6's or 8's. The 703's have a finer, more delicate timbre that the Rti4's can blend with better than anything else I have on hand. (The Fxi4's I had intended to use for surround are apparently still in a storage locker back in Ohio... long story) ... and still have a storage locker here in Florida full of RtiA's and Emo amps.

So I've become accustomed to living with fewer speakers and just a couple AVR's. Due to certain life changes, it is looking less and less likely that my wife and I may ever move into our "dream" home, where I had intended to setup the full RtiA complement. It is quite possible that I may sell off some or maybe all of it... just a heads up if anyone in the area may be looking for some like-new equipment.

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Question for all RTiA owners out there. I've been looking into front ported speakers. I've found some good deals on the RTiA 1 and CSiA6. I currently have a Denon 2112CI for my receiver. I've read some issues with the CSiA6 being very power hungry, so wondering if my receiver would adequately power this...

Also, that CSiA6 I note is very huge, especially depth wise, so if crossing a sub around 80-90hz, does the extra low end of the CSiA6 compared to the A4 really come into play? Obvisouly the CSiA4 is more easily to fit, so just would love to hear people's opinions. Thanks!
The CsiA4 and A6 each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Also attempts to match driver sizes between the center and mains/surrounds doesn't always make sense. I've run the Csi3(A4) and Csi5(A6) with every Rti speaker up and down the line, including the Rti6's (A3's) and Rti4's (A1), up to the A5, A7 and A9's. At the height of my Rti phase, I was running a smaller system in the family room (for TV and casual music) consisting of RtiA3 mains, a Csi3 center and Rti4 surrounds. Everything worked together well. For HT I had A9 mains, A6 center and A7 surorunds, with Rti6 rears. Again, they all got along together very well.

The Csi3(A4) has a sealed back and given its smaller size is easy to place in a video cabinet where venting is not an issue. Conversely, the Csi5(A6) is HUGE and HEAVY. The rear ports confound the best made plans to house the beast. Yet the sound quality is amazing. Where the Csi3 sounds fine for female voices, the larger A6 center really delivers on male voices and "beefy" audio demands, such as strings. The difference is notable. In direct comparison, the Csi3 sounds somewhat weak, especially for HT duty.

One might think that the Csi3(A4) might blend well with the RtiA9. After all, they all depend upon twin 5" drivers. But again, the smaller center is easily overpowered. I once tried using a third RtiA9 as a center. Disappointing. The CsiA6 still sounded better. I have also tried Csi3's standing on end as rear surrounds. Again, too weak. The beefier Rti6 made far better surrounds. Similarly, the Fxi4's sound fine in surround position on some lesser material (like TV), but the larger (and bulkier) FxiA6 handle theater duty far better.

So much comes down to 1) the size of the room you need to fill, and 2) the type of material the speakers are expected to handle. The smaller speakers have the advantage of easy placement and being unobtrusive, but for heavy duty theater use (exploding helicopters) you can't beat big towers.
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^ Thank you for articulating this Rob. I agree 100% based on my limited long term experience of RTiA9, CSiA4, CSiA6, FXiA4, and FXiA6.
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So much comes down to 1) the size of the room you need to fill, and 2) the type of material the speakers are expected to handle. The smaller speakers have the advantage of easy placement and being unobtrusive, but for heavy duty theater use (exploding helicopters) you can't beat big towers.
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.....I've toyed with the idea of using the 12's at full range for stereo music and reserving the LsiM's - crossed to 2x subs - for HT..
Rob, I spent a lot of time grooming the A9's for 2ch stereo. My wife was immediately enamored with the sound of the A9's after the upgrade over the M70's.

When I finally got a pair of 703's for 2ch, my wife was more pleased with the sound of (her) A9's over the 703's. I did blind A/B testing, with the backs of the speakers covered so you couldn't see which one the cable connected to and she consistently chose the A9........My wife does have an incredible ear, I can rearrange stuff all day and she wouldn't notice a thing, but if I do a sonic change, she'll point it out right away by asking me if I did something different

Long story short, I think you'll do well with a pair of 12's for 2ch.

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Very nice looking speakers, the mains look pretty deep! And the sub.......is that a dual driver/dual ported sub?

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As far as power hungry, I don't know. I'm running the csia6 with a yamaha 1060 and I have zero issues with it. The two channel amp is running the L and R, so the receiver is pushing the center and rears with no sign of being underpowered.

And yes, the A6 is deep. Hefty one it is.
Lets have a look man, I don't recall seeing your new set up.......

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Rob, I spent a lot of time grooming the A9's for 2ch stereo. My wife was immediately enamored with the sound of the A9's after the upgrade over the M70's.

When I finally got a pair of 703's for 2ch, my wife was more pleased with the sound of (her) A9's over the 703's. I did blind A/B testing, with the backs of the speakers covered so you couldn't see which one the cable connected to and she consistently chose the A9........My wife does have an incredible ear, I can rearrange stuff all day and she wouldn't notice a thing, but if I do a sonic change, she'll point it out right away by asking me if I did something different

Long story short, I think you'll do well with a pair of 12's for 2ch.
When you compared your A9 with 703, did you rerun your room correction program on 703s? If not, your 703s may not be sounding their best as you are using the calibration settings of A9s and it is not a fair comparison.
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Rob, I spent a lot of time grooming the A9's for 2ch stereo. My wife was immediately enamored with the sound of the A9's ... Long story short, I think you'll do well with a pair of 12's for 2ch.
Thanks, Geoff... In that case, assuming it all works out as planned, I can look forward to pulling the A9's out of storage and put the 12's into storage... otherwise, maybe just sell off all the older Rti towers and - if nothing else - free up some space in the storage locker, and hopefully cut back on the cost.

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When you compared your A9 with 703, did you rerun your room correction program on 703s? If not, your 703s may not be sounding their best as you are using the calibration settings of A9s and it is not a fair comparison.
I'm not sure which AVR or pre/pro Geoff may be running, or was running at the time, but he is no slouch. At a minimum I'm sure he had room correction disabled for the A/B comparison. In my case, the 4520 has an amp config screen on which I can specify that the 703's and the A9's (12's) are BOTH in the main position, and it would EQ each set accordingly. I can do this because the 9-channel amp allows dedicating what would be rears or wides to serve as secondary mains for 2CH playback.

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The CsiA4 and A6 each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Also attempts to match driver sizes between the center and mains/surrounds doesn't always make sense. I've run the Csi3(A4) and Csi5(A6) with every Rti speaker up and down the line, including the Rti6's (A3's) and Rti4's (A1), up to the A5, A7 and A9's. At the height of my Rti phase, I was running a smaller system in the family room (for TV and casual music) consisting of RtiA3 mains, a Csi3 center and Rti4 surrounds. Everything worked together well. For HT I had A9 mains, A6 center and A7 surorunds, with Rti6 rears. Again, they all got along together very well.

The Csi3(A4) has a sealed back and given its smaller size is easy to place in a video cabinet where venting is not an issue. Conversely, the Csi5(A6) is HUGE and HEAVY. The rear ports confound the best made plans to house the beast. Yet the sound quality is amazing. Where the Csi3 sounds fine for female voices, the larger A6 center really delivers on male voices and "beefy" audio demands, such as strings. The difference is notable. In direct comparison, the Csi3 sounds somewhat weak, especially for HT duty.

One might think that the Csi3(A4) might blend well with the RtiA9. After all, they all depend upon twin 5" drivers. But again, the smaller center is easily overpowered. I once tried using a third RtiA9 as a center. Disappointing. The CsiA6 still sounded better. I have also tried Csi3's standing on end as rear surrounds. Again, too weak. The beefier Rti6 made far better surrounds. Similarly, the Fxi4's sound fine in surround position on some lesser material (like TV), but the larger (and bulkier) FxiA6 handle theater duty far better.

So much comes down to 1) the size of the room you need to fill, and 2) the type of material the speakers are expected to handle. The smaller speakers have the advantage of easy placement and being unobtrusive, but for heavy duty theater use (exploding helicopters) you can't beat big towers.
Thanks for your thoughts. Interesting to hear your take as I've heard some say the smaller driver in the A1 has a more refined midrange than the larger driver in the A3. Also, with my PB 2000 am I really going to miss the extension in the A3? It sounds unanimous that the csia6 is the better center, but damn...14 inches deep??? The width and height work fine, but it's the depth that I would have to ammodate for. I'm coming from the pioneer bs 22 so looking something more dynamic and punchy. Thanks again!!!
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