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Hello sir, thank you fro the response. I'm not sure exactly how much room I'll have. In the pict I attached, That's the room, just the current layout of the sellers stuff. So I'm thinking I'm going to put my couch/seating area on the wall where their tv is; and my screen where their couch is. The wall on the left side of the pic is a tad smaller because in the back corner is a small door to the balcony. That's why I was considering the FXi 4 or 6 and doing a really good 5.1 over the 7.1. And I could always add 2 speakers later. I was told the FXi speakers would give me better sound and everything over just having 2 s20s. What's your opinion?
Like I said before, if you don't plan on doing Atmos. The FXia6 would sound good on the sides.
I ran the FXi5's for side-surround for a long time and they sound great. I switched to Monopoles when I upgraded to Atmos.

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Like I said before, if you don't plan on doing Atmos. The FXia6 would sound good on the sides.
I ran the FXi5's for side-surround for a long time and they sound great. I switched to Monopoles when I upgraded to Atmos.

Ok. Yeah as of right now, I think it's to small to do Atmos and no way to really get speakers in the ceiling or anything. Unless you think 2-s20's would be better than the FXi.
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Like I said before, if you don't plan on doing Atmos. The FXia6 would sound good on the sides.
I ran the FXi5's for side-surround for a long time and they sound great. I switched to Monopoles when I upgraded to Atmos.


I couldn't find the FXi5's. But since you owned something similar to A6, would you recommend the A6 over say the S20 or another book shelf type rear speaker for the rears? Lol. I need your ears to help me make my purchase. Lol.
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I couldn't find the FXi5's. But since you owned something similar to A6, would you recommend the A6 over say the S20 or another book shelf type rear speaker for the rears? Lol. I need your ears to help me make my purchase. Lol.
That room is small. If the speakers are going to be a few feet away, I would do the FXiA6. That would eliminate any localization.

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[QUOTE=chi_guy50;51789665]I sure hope that setup sounds great because . . .

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That room is small. If the speakers are going to be a few feet away, I would do the FXiA6. That would eliminate any localization.
What does localization mean? And yes sir, their going to be wall mounted above the couch, above the left and right head/headrest, or above the coach and more to the side towards shoulder or ears level. Being new to home theatre audio, Im not sure of perfect placement for movie theatre sound.
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That room is small. If the speakers are going to be a few feet away, I would do the FXiA6. That would eliminate any localization.
What does localization mean? And yes sir, their going to be wall mounted above the couch, above the left and right head/headrest, or above the coach and more to the side towards shoulder or ears level. Being new to home theatre audio, Im not sure of perfect placement for movie theatre sound.

Not to steal anyones thunder here but I think I'll give it a shot. Localization is where your ears can place where the sound is coming from. In a surround sound envirnonment you want the sound to be dispersed in a way that envelopes you into the action. You want the sound to reflect off walls, ceilings etc. so you can't tell it's coming from any one place but rather it seems as if it's coming from everywhere. This is why Dolby recommends placing your side suround speakers in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration roughly 3 feet higher then your listening position rather then just at ear level pointing straight at the sides of your head.
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Not to steal anyones thunder here but I think I'll give it a shot. Localization is where your ears can place where the sound is coming from. In a surround sound envirnonment you want the sound to be dispersed in a way that envelopes you into the action. You want the sound to reflect off walls, ceilings etc. so you can't tell it's coming from any one place but rather it seems as if it's coming from everywhere. This is why Dolby recommends placing your side suround speakers in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration roughly 3 feet higher then your listening position rather then just at ear level pointing straight at the sides of your head.
That is no longer Dolby's recommended speaker placement. In a 5.1 configuration, they recommend placing the surrounds just above ear height. Further, in order to accommodate immersive audio, Dolby has issued the following guidance (source: Dolby Atmos Home Theater Installation Guidelines, April 2015):

"The placement of all listener-level speakers should follow these recommendations, which are based on ITU-R BS.775-3:

All listener[-level] speakers should be at the same height, typically 3.9 feet (1.2 meters), which is ear level for the average seated listener (as defined in ITU-R BS.1116-1). If possible, the height of the rear speakers should be the same as the height of the front speakers. If the room design makes this impractical, or impossible, the rear speakers may be higher than the front speakers. However, we suggest that the height of the rear speakers not be more than 1.25 times the height of the front speakers."

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That is no longer Dolby's recommended speaker placement. In a 5.1 configuration, they recommend placing the surrounds just above ear height. Further, in order to accommodate immersive audio, Dolby has issued the following guidance (source: Dolby Atmos Home Theater Installation Guidelines, April 2015):

"The placement of all listener-level speakers should follow these recommendations, which are based on ITU-R BS.775-3:

All listener[-level] speakers should be at the same height, typically 3.9 feet (1.2 meters), which is ear level for the average seated listener (as defined in ITU-R BS.1116-1). If possible, the height of the rear speakers should be the same as the height of the front speakers. If the room design makes this impractical, or impossible, the rear speakers may be higher than the front speakers. However, we suggest that the height of the rear speakers not be more than 1.25 times the height of the front speakers."
Well, screw them.... I reject your & their reality and substitute my own (which is the old dolby one since my surrounds are 6 feet in the air, and I just put holes in thew all and routed cables to them, and I refuse to do it again)...

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Well, screw them.... I reject your & their reality and substitute my own (which is the old dolby one since my surrounds are 6 feet in the air, and I just put holes in thew all and routed cables to them, and I refuse to do it again)...
seconded. For the same reason.
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seconded. For the same reason.

Not a problem, folks.

Those elevated "surrounds" can be re-utilized as your new overhead speakers for immersive audio. Just place some new surround speakers at ear level to the side and back of the MLP (where they rightly belong) and you're all set up for 7.1.4! Easy-peasy lemon-squeezy!


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Not a problem, folks.

Those elevated "surrounds" can be re-utilized as your new overhead speakers for immersive audio. Just place some new surround speakers at ear level to the side and back of the MLP (where they rightly belong) and you're all set up for 7.1.4! Easy-peasy lemon-squeezy!]
Again love you brother but ain't happening lol. 5.2 was hard enough to get setup with my room. 7.2 isn't possible and ATMOS is a dream.

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Hey guys! Those of you that are running RTI A9's (or used to), did you guys find speakers that fit on top for Atmos? Or did you just mount speakers up high for direct?

I'm not seeing anything from Polk for thus purpose so I guess I'll have to go with something else.

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I would guess that some OWM3's would work nicely as heights for Atmos.

BTW my surrounds sit atop a pair of Rti8's.... however tall those are.
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I would guess that some OWM3's would work nicely as heights for Atmos.

BTW my surrounds sit atop a pair of Rti8's.... however tall those are.
Hmmm. When I googled "Polk atmos", that's what came up. Have you heard them by chance?

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Not to steal anyones thunder here but I think I'll give it a shot. Localization is where your ears can place where the sound is coming from. In a surround sound envirnonment you want the sound to be dispersed in a way that envelopes you into the action. You want the sound to reflect off walls, ceilings etc. so you can't tell it's coming from any one place but rather it seems as if it's coming from everywhere. This is why Dolby recommends placing your side suround speakers in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration roughly 3 feet higher then your listening position rather then just at ear level pointing straight at the sides of your head.
My thunder. lol You are correct for no Atmos configuration. Except I don't think its 3 feet. The idea is anyone in the MLP can hear each speaker.

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Well, screw them.... I reject your & their reality and substitute my own (which is the old dolby one since my surrounds are 6 feet in the air, and I just put holes in thew all and routed cables to them, and I refuse to do it again)...
Keep in mind that was written with Atmos in mind. You base speakers should be ear level.
There is really no reason to use bi/di pole speakers. Atmos will take care of the 3D sound. That is why they recommend Monopoles

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The OWM3 are great, versatile satellites although tiny. Their bigger brother, the OWM5, is quite a bit beefier but almost as versatile in a larger (and more expensive) package. I have three pairs of the OWM5 and used to have a pair of the OWM3 and can recommend them both for either height or surround duty.
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Hey guys! Those of you that are running RTI A9's (or used to), did you guys find speakers that fit on top for Atmos? Or did you just mount speakers up high for direct?

I'm not seeing anything from Polk for thus purpose so I guess I'll have to go with something else.

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I just mounted some S15's for my height speakers since I have vaulted ceilings.
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Again love you brother but ain't happening lol. 5.2 was hard enough to get setup with my room. 7.2 isn't possible and ATMOS is a dream.
No guts, no glory, bubbele!

All I have to work with is a living room and am constrained by WAF (and my own aesthetic dictates), but I still have 14 speakers arrayed in my main listening zone and am wired for (and have sitting in a closet) a third pair of in-ceiling speakers that I held off installing only because there are no mainstream AVR/SSP's that can deliver native signals to more than four overheads.

The sky (or the ceiling)'s the limit, you know.

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Keep in mind that was written with Atmos in mind. You base speaker should be ear level.
There is really no reason to use bi/di pole speakers. Atmos will take care of the 3D sound. That is why they recommend Monopoles
I disagree 100%. For those of us with a 5.1 setup, dipole/bipole help with the diffuse sound as compared to direct firing speakers.

I've done the A/B testing between a set of LSi F/x's and a set of LSi 7's in their place. Hands down the F/x's were better.

If I was doing 7.1, then I agree with you on the side surrounds being direct firing, but for me its not possible so the dipoles help fill things in.

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No guts, no glory, bubbele!

All I have to work with is a living room and am constrained by WAF (and my own aesthetic dictates), but I still have 14 speakers arrayed in my main listening zone and am wired for (and have sitting in a closet) a third pair of in-ceiling speakers that I held off installing only because there are no mainstream AVR/SSP's that can deliver native signals to more than four overheads.

The sky (or the ceiling)'s the limit, you know.
Yeah, not happening as wiring that many speakers would require me to literally drop the entire ceiling to run the wires, and that isnt a topic even worth broaching.

And heck in a 16 x 18 room using 14 LSi speakers (to timbre match) would require 14 channels off amplification which would not be cheap either.....

I'm happy for you, but honestly my 5.1 setup sounds better to me than many of the theaters we visit, so I'm happy with it until we build, and when/if that happens, THEN I will go balls to the wall with something INSANE in the basement.

For now my LSi 15 | LSiC | LSi F/x | Dayton Ultimax 18 & 4x12 Infinity DIY subs | B&K 200.5 (375wpc @ 4 ohm) | Crown XLS2000 | 3 dedicated 20amp circuits for gear setup will have to suffice lol....

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I disagree 100%. For those of us with a 5.1 setup, dipole/bipole help with the diffuse sound as compared to direct firing speakers.

I've done the A/B testing between a set of LSi F/x's and a set of LSi 7's in their place. Hands down the F/x's were better.

If I was doing 7.1, then I agree with you on the side surrounds being direct firing, but for me its not possible so the dipoles help fill things in.
I think there is some confusion. I am only talking about Atmos. x.x.2 or x.x.4. They recommend monopoles.

Now with a standard 5.1 or 7.1, yes di/bi pole would help.

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Hmmm. When I googled "Polk atmos", that's what came up. Have you heard them by chance?
I have a couple pair but no longer use them. They have zero bottom end but are fine for reproduction above say 120Hz. Their value is that they are very small and very easy to mount. They come with a mounting bracket and have several sets of mounting holes so they can go in corners or where the ceiling meets the wall. From a sonic standpoint, they can blend with just about any product line. I used them as surrounds with a pair of Sony's. I think Polk lists or listed them as members of the Rti family. Again, they are small, so do not expect big sound from them. They are more for filling in, so I would think they would be suitable for Atmos heights.
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The OWM3 are great, versatile satellites although tiny. Their bigger brother, the OWM5, is quite a bit beefier but almost as versatile in a larger (and more expensive) package. I have three pairs of the OWM5 and used to have a pair of the OWM3 and can recommend them both for either height or surround duty.
I did see those owm5's. They sell for about $200 a piece but I'm not sure it would be worth the increased cost for the size of my room.

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Not to steal anyones thunder here but I think I'll give it a shot. Localization is where your ears can place where the sound is coming from. In a surround sound envirnonment you want the sound to be dispersed in a way that envelopes you into the action. You want the sound to reflect off walls, ceilings etc. so you can't tell it's coming from any one place but rather it seems as if it's coming from everywhere. This is why Dolby recommends placing your side suround speakers in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration roughly 3 feet higher then your listening position rather then just at ear level pointing straight at the sides of your head.
That is no longer Dolby's recommended speaker placement. In a 5.1 configuration, they recommend placing the surrounds just above ear height. Further, in order to accommodate immersive audio, Dolby has issued the following guidance (source: Dolby Atmos Home Theater Installation Guidelines, April 2015):

"The placement of all listener-level speakers should follow these recommendations, which are based on ITU-R BS.775-3:

All listener[-level] speakers should be at the same height, typically 3.9 feet (1.2 meters), which is ear level for the average seated listener (as defined in ITU-R BS.1116-1). If possible, the height of the rear speakers should be the same as the height of the front speakers. If the room design makes this impractical, or impossible, the rear speakers may be higher than the front speakers. However, we suggest that the height of the rear speakers not be more than 1.25 times the height of the front speakers.


didn't realize they changed it. Three feet above has always worked well for me for side surrounds in a 5.1 and 7.1 configuration

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That is no longer Dolby's recommended speaker placement. In a 5.1 configuration, they recommend placing the surrounds just above ear height. Further, in order to accommodate immersive audio, Dolby has issued the following guidance (source: Dolby Atmos Home Theater Installation Guidelines, April 2015):

"The placement of all listener-level speakers should follow these recommendations, which are based on ITU-R BS.775-3:

All listener[-level] speakers should be at the same height, typically 3.9 feet (1.2 meters), which is ear level for the average seated listener (as defined in ITU-R BS.1116-1). If possible, the height of the rear speakers should be the same as the height of the front speakers. If the room design makes this impractical, or impossible, the rear speakers may be higher than the front speakers. However, we suggest that the height of the rear speakers not be more than 1.25 times the height of the front speakers."

Well, screw them.... I reject your & their reality and substitute my own (which is the old dolby one since my surrounds are 6 feet in the air, and I just put holes in thew all and routed cables to them, and I refuse to do it again)...



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Not to steal anyones thunder here but I think I'll give it a shot. Localization is where your ears can place where the sound is coming from. In a surround sound envirnonment you want the sound to be dispersed in a way that envelopes you into the action. You want the sound to reflect off walls, ceilings etc. so you can't tell it's coming from any one place but rather it seems as if it's coming from everywhere. This is why Dolby recommends placing your side suround speakers in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration roughly 3 feet higher then your listening position rather then just at ear level pointing straight at the sides of your head.
My thunder. lol You are correct for no Atmos configuration. Except I don't think its 3 feet. The idea is anyone in the MLP can hear each speaker.
Haha. Yeah I was not referring to Atmos and I guess they changed it. I'll be d**ned lol. Wow this place blew up since Iast checked in 14ish hours ago.

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