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Currently have an all Polk set up except for sub. Front soundstage is RTiA3 and CSiA6. I don't have any complaints except sometimes I feel dialogue and vocals could use more punch to them. Anyone here listened to both the RTi line and the SVS Prime series? Would this be more of a lateral move or an upgrade? I'm about 85% HT, 15% music. Thanks.
I know this isn't what you were after but could it be placement/settings issues? I ask because i use a Csi5 center channel in a 30ft deep room and i've never found it lacking even when i'm all the way at the back.

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I know this isn't what you were after but could it be placement/settings issues? I ask because i use a Csi5 center channel in a 30ft deep room and i've never found it lacking even when i'm all the way at the back.
It's certainly possible. Placement is fine. Ear level, not in an enclosed space, sitting on top of media unit with edge of grill at edge of media unit. I do sit in the middle of the room which is not always ideal. So room acoustics could be an issue. It's our living room so not much re-arranging to do. I've also noticed if I turn off mutlieq dialogue is a little crisper/clearer so there may be some funky audyssey effects going on too. However I enjoy all the other benefits of multieq, dynamic eq so not willing to give that up. If I do ever upgrade my speakers maybe I'd be better off trying a horn speaker like the Klipsch RP series which may have better vocal clarity/punch. Probably not going to do anything for a while. Like I said for the most part I'm happy with my set up.

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It's certainly possible. Placement is fine. Ear level, not in an enclosed space, sitting on top of media unit with edge of grill at edge of media unit. I do sit in the middle of the room which is not always ideal. So room acoustics could be an issue. It's our living room so not much re-arranging to do. I've also noticed if I turn off mutlieq dialogue is a little crisper/clearer so there may be some funky audyssey effects going on too. However I enjoy all the other benefits of multieq, dynamic eq so not willing to give that up. If I do ever upgrade my speakers maybe I'd be better off trying a horn speaker like the Klipsch RP series which may have better vocal clarity/punch. Probably not going to do anything for a while. Like I said for the most part I'm happy with my set up.
IMO if you have a problem with dialogue levels in your current setup it is not attributable to either the speakers or their positioning. I assume that you have tried bumping up the center channel level a few dB? Many users find that Audyssey sets the SW (and occasionally the center as well) too low for their liking. There's nothing inherently wrong in running these (or other channels) hotter if that is your taste.

OTOH, your AVR is getting a bit long in the tooth and has only the basic Audyssey MultEQ. You could conceivably benefit greatly from the more advanced MultEQ XT32 as illustrated below (not to mention some of the other features on the newer AVR's):



If you want to go this route--and assuming you will wish to stick with Denon--you should look at the current X3400H or higher model (due out in July) or one of the older models such as last year's X3300W.

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IMO if you have a problem with dialogue levels in your current setup it is not attributable to either the speakers or their positioning. I assume that you have tried bumping up the center channel level a few dB? Many users find that Audyssey sets the SW (and occasionally the center as well) too low for their liking. There's nothing inherently wrong in running these (or other channels) hotter if that is your taste.

OTOH, your AVR is getting a bit long in the tooth and has only the basic Audyssey MultEQ. You could conceivably benefit greatly from the more advanced MultEQ XT32 as illustrated below (not to mention some of the other features on the newer AVR's):



If you want to go this route--and assuming you will wish to stick with Denon--you should look at the current X3400H or higher model (due out in July) or one of the older models such as last year's X3300W.
Thanks. I've had similar thoughts. My center is bumped just 1db but perhaps I will run it hotter. I certainly run my sub hot, 8db. I have recently discovered the addictive nature of good bass. I'm considering adding a second sub to deal with a mid bass null at my MLP and in that case MultiEQ XT32 would be of significant benefit as well as it has independent sub calibration. So my next 2 upgrades will likely be another SVS PC12+ and an newer AVR. Not sure when but hopefully within the next year. I do have a new UMIK-1 and REW so I could get some more objective data but struggling to find the time to set it up and run it. Life has been busy. This is a fun hobby though and one of the little things that makes life more enjoyable.

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Thanks. I've had similar thoughts. My center is bumped just 1db but perhaps I will run it hotter. I certainly run my sub hot, 8db. I have recently discovered the addictive nature of good bass. I'm considering adding a second sub to deal with a mid bass null at my MLP and in that case MultiEQ XT32 would be of significant benefit as well as it has independent sub calibration. So my next 2 upgrades will likely be another SVS PC12+ and an newer AVR. Not sure when but hopefully within the next year. I do have a new UMIK-1 and REW so I could get some more objective data but struggling to find the time to set it up and run it. Life has been busy. This is a fun hobby though and one of the little things that makes life more enjoyable.
I can empathize. I had a perfectly good Denon AVR-3311CI that I sold in 2014 just so that I could upgrade to my current AVR-X5200W for immersive audio. Now I'm planning to repeat the exercise in order to splurge on the upcoming AVR-X7400H if it offers enough new features to entice me (and doesn't scrap any of the current features that I enjoy such as FW speaker support).

However, after umpteen speaker upgrades I am now perfectly happy with my RTi setup and can't envision dumping these babies anytime soon. Of course, since that encompasses 13 total speakers in the main zone, it would be quite a substantial enterprise to replace them.

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Since your couch is so close to the wall, I'd suggest 5.1 and FXiA6
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I just want to say thank you all for all your alls help to a newbie as myself. But anywho, while I'm at it, I'm considering using better speaker wire than my cheap 16 gauge; especially with these much bigger stronger speakers. Would you all do 14 or 12 or do you all actually run 16?
"Good" copper wire is the way to go, running heavy loads, go thick, 16 and 14 are both good. I use the best cable on the planet...."made by me" I've been making my own cables for several years, currently using Furez 10 X 2 from Douglasconnection.com with solid copper connectors.

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Hello, I'm new to this I just got two Polk s55 speakers because my old left speaker sub blew out. After some time with the new speakers, I noticed my left speaker again on the lows, there is some distortion.I don't know if my receiver is blowing out my speakers. It's a Sony STR‑DH500. Or is it that it's just a bad driver? Here is a video of what it sounds like
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Thanks. I've had similar thoughts. My center is bumped just 1db but perhaps I will run it hotter. I certainly run my sub hot, 8db. I have recently discovered the addictive nature of good bass. I'm considering adding a second sub to deal with a mid bass null at my MLP and in that case MultiEQ XT32 would be of significant benefit as well as it has independent sub calibration. So my next 2 upgrades will likely be another SVS PC12+ and an newer AVR. Not sure when but hopefully within the next year. I do have a new UMIK-1 and REW so I could get some more objective data but struggling to find the time to set it up and run it. Life has been busy. This is a fun hobby though and one of the little things that makes life more enjoyable.


Sounds like you might want to re-run your Audyssey Calibration. You know how to set Sub before you start, right?

After I run Audyssey, I too like to bump the Polk Audio CS-II Center up a tiny bit also, but not too much or it's over-powering ... that's a lot of sound coming right at us in the face.

And my room is 18x20, and even larger if you include the adjacent spaces in open concept. I could not really imagine having even another PSW-505 sub going. This is coming from the guy who likes to watch and listen to concerts and see if I can manage to crank it up to 100%. The pictures and windows are already vibrating.

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Currently have an all Polk set up except for sub. Front soundstage is RTiA3 and CSiA6. I don't have any complaints except sometimes I feel dialogue and vocals could use more punch to them. Anyone here listened to both the RTi line and the SVS Prime series? Would this be more of a lateral move or an upgrade? I'm about 85% HT, 15% music. Thanks.
I find that the quality of the center channel dialog varies a lot from movie to movie and show to show. I have tinnitus (ringing in the ear) so I am very susceptible to poor quality audio where often I hear the words fine, but have trouble making them out. I bump the the center channel up to compensate. My wife does not have the hearing issues I have but likes the center elevated a few dBs as well.

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Sounds like you might want to re-run your Audyssey Calibration. You know how to set Sub before you start, right?

After I run Audyssey, I too like to bump the Polk Audio CS-II Center up a tiny bit also, but not too much or it's over-powering ... that's a lot of sound coming right at us in the face.

And my room is 18x20, and even larger if you include the adjacent spaces in open concept. I could not really imagine having even another PSW-505 sub going. This is coming from the guy who likes to watch and listen to concerts and see if I can manage to crank it up to 100%. The pictures and windows are already vibrating.
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I find that the quality of the center channel dialog varies a lot from movie to movie and show to show. I have tinnitus (ringing in the ear) so I am very susceptible to poor quality audio where often I hear the words fine, but have trouble making them out. I bump the the center channel up to compensate. My wife does not have the hearing issues I have but likes the center elevated a few dBs as well.

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Agree, certainly a lot of variability in content. I did re-run audyssey with very careful mic placement and running center 2db hot now. I think it's better. Now unfortunately what I have come to realize after doing more careful listening around the room is that I seem to have a huge mid bass null in the entire center of the room including the MLP. Seems to be those chest slam frequencies. Will have to eventually run REW to figure out exactly where and what frequency range. With my new sub I've been more focused on the ULF stuff which is great at the MLP. I think the only fix is going to be a second sub just have very limited placement options.

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With my new sub I've been more focused on the ULF stuff which is great at the MLP. I think the only fix is going to be a second sub just have very limited placement options.


I had not considered that. That's some pretty high-tech analysis.

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I had not considered that. That's some pretty high-tech analysis.
Not high tech for these forums. I haven't done it yet but have the mic and software. It seems to me every time I ask questions about acoustic issues with speakers and sub the response is to get a usb mic and run REW. Makes sense to me. Objective data is a good thing. Just have to find the time.

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... I seem to have a huge mid bass null in the entire center of the room including the MLP. Seems to be those chest slam frequencies. Will have to eventually run REW to figure out exactly where and what frequency range.
A mid bass null is not uncommon in any rectangular room due to low frequency standing waves. I found that a second sub in a different location (NOT next to or on top of the first sub) can help with that. I liked in the middle of the front wall and one on a side wall in the middle worked well in our old house. By "middle" I don't mean centered, but away from the corners of the room. Doubtful that any sort of adjustment to a single sub would fix the problem... might as well stick it in a corner for horn loading.

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1. Not high tech for these forums. I haven't done it yet but have the mic and software.


2. It seems to me every time I ask questions about acoustic issues with speakers and sub the response is to get a usb mic and run REW. Makes sense to me. Objective data is a good thing. Just have to find the time.


1. True


2. What is REW?


As for placement, I have mine in the middle-back of the room (via RG-6 coax) and seems to work nicely. Yes, I suppose I could understand another in front (especially if your L/C/R are on the small-side) but mine are pretty large. Or, switch to back left and right. Should be a more "even" sub response (dividing the sound and power over two subs).

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A mid bass null is not uncommon in any rectangular room due to low frequency standing waves. I found that a second sub in a different location (NOT next to or on top of the first sub) can help with that. I liked in the middle of the front wall and one on a side wall in the middle worked well in our old house. By "middle" I don't mean centered, but away from the corners of the room. Doubtful that any sort of adjustment to a single sub would fix the problem... might as well stick it in a corner for horn loading.
Thanks. Yes my education on these forums as well as some interaction with SVS support has led me to the same conclusion - I likely have a typical rectangular room null due to room modes. Current sub is in front right corner. Placement options for a second are really only limited to a rear right corner which will probably but not necessarily help with front/rear axial standing wave pattern. Supposedly left rear corner (so opposite diagonal corners) should be better which is possible but that puts the second sub in very plain site in our living room. The SVS cylinders hide very well in some corners but in that spot it would certainly catch your eye. Don't think it will pass WAF there but haven't broached the subject yet.

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Looking at those pictures of your layout, IMO you have made some very significant compromises regarding speaker positioning which seem to me much more impactful than any SW issues.

Don't get me wrong--I understand and empathize with the fact that it is a living room (which appears very comfortably setup for that purpose, too) and therefore subject to WAF concerns. I am working under similar constraints myself. However, your L/C/R are squeezed together providing little if any meaningful separation and creating a cramped front sound stage. The surrounds are close to ceiling level, approx. on the same horizontal plane as your FH, making front-to-back pans off-kilter; and they are also way too far behind the MLP (if I am judging the perspective in the photos correctly) to function effectively as side surrounds.

You may be happy with the setup as it is and not overly concerned with accurate sound reproduction (although your postings here so far would indicate otherwise), or you might have other reasons (financial, marital, or other) for not wanting to make any intrusive changes. But I believe that with a little effort and ingenuity you could vastly improve on your current arrangement. I had to come up with some creative solutions to my room issues, but the results were well worth the time and effort involved. And my wife is ecstatic with our living room HT now to the degree that she doesn't even carp about the fact that over time I've slowly managed to cram 14 speakers into it.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful folks on the various AVSForum threads here (not necessarily counting myself among them) who could assist you with pointers if you wanted to make some changes.

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Looking at those pictures of your layout, IMO you have made some very significant compromises regarding speaker positioning which seem to me much more impactful than any SW issues.

Don't get me wrong--I understand and empathize with the fact that it is a living room (which appears very comfortably setup for that purpose, too) and therefore subject to WAF concerns. I am working under similar constraints myself. However, your L/C/R are squeezed together providing little if any meaningful separation and creating a cramped front sound stage. The surrounds are close to ceiling level, approx. on the same horizontal plane as your FH, making front-to-back pans off-kilter; and they are also way too far behind the MLP (if I am judging the perspective in the photos correctly) to function effectively as side surrounds.

You may be happy with the setup as it is and not overly concerned with accurate sound reproduction (although your postings here so far would indicate otherwise), or you might have other reasons (financial, marital, or other) for not wanting to make any intrusive changes. But I believe that with a little effort and ingenuity you could vastly improve on your current arrangement. I had to come up with some creative solutions to my room issues, but the results were well worth the time and effort involved. And my wife is ecstatic with our living room HT now to the degree that she doesn't even carp about the fact that over time I've slowly managed to cram 14 speakers into it.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful folks on the various AVSForum threads here (not necessarily counting myself among them) who could assist you with pointers if you wanted to make some changes.
Agree placement is not ideal. I'm pretty limited for now. I could move my L/R out a little bit. Would have to swap the R RTiA3 and sub. You think that would have much impact? The 2 front in-wall heights were originally front L/R and the surrounds were wired at that time. That and aesthetic reasons is how things wound up at those heights. I also knew less about audio then too. I re purposed the in-walls as front heights when I got the bookshelves. No Atmos, just PLIIz and not convinced the FH add much. Maybe an Atmos AVR would be more noticeable. It's an old house and I hired an AV installer to wire the rears. It took forever to get them wired and there's not a great way to run wires in the room so I think I'm stuck with the surrounds the way they are. There is not a place to put side surrounds unfortunately. That being said surround effect still work quite well in this set up. They are off to the side a bit relative to the MLP and they are flipped upside down so the tweeters are aimed more towards the main listening area. Certainly open to any suggestions though.

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Agree placement is not ideal. I'm pretty limited for now. I could move my L/R out a little bit. Would have to swap the R RTiA3 and sub. You think that would have much impact? The 2 front in-wall heights were originally front L/R and the surrounds were wired at that time. That and aesthetic reasons is how things wound up at those heights. I also knew less about audio then too. I re purposed the in-walls as front heights when I got the bookshelves. No Atmos, just PLIIz and not convinced the FH add much. Maybe an Atmos AVR would be more noticeable. It's an old house and I hired an AV installer to wire the rears. It took forever to get them wired and there's not a great way to run wires in the room so I think I'm stuck with the surrounds the way they are. There is not a place to put side surrounds unfortunately. That being said surround effect still work quite well in this set up. They are off to the side a bit relative to the MLP and they are flipped upside down so the tweeters are aimed more towards the main listening area. Certainly open to any suggestions though.
I would want either to reorient the room in order to achieve a more discreet and cohesive surround-sound layout or else just relocate the HT in a more suitable (and adaptable) space.

But short of such drastic measures, you should certainly try moving the FL/R out more (and toe them in toward the MLP if you have not already done so). You can either place the SW inside the mains or relocate it entirely using the sub crawl method to find the best spot.

Then I would really look for a practical way to fit in bookshelf surrounds, repurposing the existing OWM3's as surround back. This is the most difficult nut to crack for most of us living room HT owners as it entails getting the sound across a living space and then finding a way to situate speakers to either side of a seating arrangement without impacting the decor (viz. WAF) or creating a tip-over hazard due to kids or pets. In my case, I wound up running CL2-rated speaker wire into the wall behind my wall unit, through the attic and then down the opposite wall to a pair of built-in bookcases beside a fireplace where I then face-mounted a pair of OWM5's as my side surrounds with another pair of OWM5's on the mantelpiece as SB.

In short, where there's a will (and at least a little bit of ingenuity), there's a way.

But unless you are willing to get your speaker placement closer to the recommended positioning, everything else is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Even Audyssey MultEQ XT32, which I originally suggested to mitigate your center-channel issues, can not compensate adequately for a layout that is so far out of whack.

I'm not saying that you can't be satisfied with the compromises you have made; after all, it's your room and your ears. But I think it would not be hard to improve drastically on the overall effect if you were willing to adopt some significant changes.

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I've been thinking of purchasing Polk Rti A9. Can anyone provide real world feedback on these speakers? They will replace the Polk RTi10s speakers. They will be used for both HT and 2ch stereo. You can see all my equipment in my signature.

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I say go for it. I am, of course, biased...big time. But seriously, they're awesome. I mostly use them for HT, but since I got them i started to really enjoy 2 channel music along with a good powered sub. I run mine at 80hz and it seems perfect.

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Nope, put that money into a subwoofer upgrade and or dedicated power for your existing speakers.

The RTi10's are equal to the RTiA7's, and while the A9's are a step up, its not IMHO worth the cost. The main differences between the RTi and RTi A line were in cabinets and some other aesthetic details. Not enough changes in the performance of the speaker to justify the cost.

A better sub or sub(s) will fill out the bottom end the RTi10's are missing compared to the RTi A9s and likely be a better outcome than the A9's on their own, especially if your using a regular AVR to drive them.

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Ohh my bad. No sub? Then yeah, I agree with Enders.

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Nope, put that money into a subwoofer upgrade and or dedicated power for your existing speakers.

The RTi10's are equal to the RTiA7's, and while the A9's are a step up, its not IMHO worth the cost. The main differences between the RTi and RTi A line were in cabinets and some other aesthetic details. Not enough changes in the performance of the speaker to justify the cost.

A better sub or sub(s) will fill out the bottom end the RTi10's are missing compared to the RTi A9s and likely be a better outcome than the A9's on their own, especially if your using a regular AVR to drive them.
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You guys did not check my signature for my existing equipment. I have plenty sub (2x) and plenty power (7ch x200w), just looking for better tower speakers. In addition to the 7 channel amp, I have the Behringer A500 (3x) that can be wired for 500w.

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Doesn't change my suggestion to NOT get the A9's. You either need to go with the LSiM lineup (which means replacing everything), or move to a different brand entirely IMHO.

Going from RTi to RTiA is not enough of a increase in performance to justify the price. Upgrade something else other than your mains. Maybe a newer TV, etc.

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