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Hi guys, to complement / timber match the RTi A series speakers, what dolby atmos( height) speakers u can recommend?


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If you're going in-ceiling, any of the RT (620-RT, 70-RT, 90-RT) speakers will be timbre matched to the RTi/RTiA speakers. Some people have used the V60 or V80 speakers with success depending on where you get them they might be cheaper than the RT speakers.

If you're going to do heights (front and rear heights) you can use the RTiA1 or RTiA3.

if you're going on ceiling you can use the OWM3 or OWM5 some forum members are currently using it for atmos, im sure they'll be in better positions to advice you.

As with all things audio YMMV.

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I am using MC80s with my Rti series and they sound perfect. When I first got my Atmos AVR I set up some old JBL satellites at the point where the ceiling met the walls and I thought it was cool. Upgrading to legit ceiling speakers was even better. The trouble setting up a proper Atmos system is well worth it.


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Ordered a pair of cherry RTiA7 off Polk's eBay store. Hope there is nothing wrong with them!

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Ordered a pair of cherry RTiA7 off Polk's eBay store. Hope there is nothing wrong with them!
I've heard nothing but good things from other folks here on the forum about the Polk Ebay store.

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No worry, I bought 2 pairs of speakers from Polk eBay store last 10 years & they looked brand new, not 1 scratch

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I need some help again. I plan on running a 3.1.2 in my bedroom setup with the speakers i already have.

1. RTi8 - Left & Right
2. TSx110 - Front heights

For the center i was going to get the CSi5 or CSiA6 but i noticed theres a sale on the LSiM704 which is the same price as the CSiA6.

i have external amplification so that wouldn't be an issue and since its my second setup im thinking that i wouldn't be bothered much by the timbre mismatch (hoping Audyssey, will fix any mismatch).

Any reason why i shouldn't get the LSiM 704?

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I need some help again. I plan on running a 3.1.2 in my bedroom setup with the speakers i already have.

1. RTi8 - Left & Right
2. TSx110 - Front heights

For the center i was going to get the CSi5 or CSiA6 but i noticed theres a sale on the LSiM704 which is the same price as the CSiA6.

i have external amplification so that wouldn't be an issue and since its my second setup im thinking that i wouldn't be bothered much by the timbre mismatch (hoping Audyssey, will fix any mismatch).

Any reason why i shouldn't get the LSiM 704?

Thanks
Unless you plan on upgrading everything to the LSiM line, I would pass on the 704. It has a ring radiated tweeter and sounds completely different than both the RTi and TSx lines. You want to timber match your center to your L/R mains. The RTiA line (CSiA6) should matched quite well with your RTi8s.

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Unless you plan on upgrading everything to the LSiM line, I would pass on the 704. It has a ring radiated tweeter and sounds completely different than both the RTi and TSx lines. You want to timber match your center to your L/R mains. The RTiA line (CSiA6) should matched quite well with your RTi8s.
Would it be that different that it would be a distraction?

Its my bedroom so i'm not finicky about timber matching. I haven't heard the LSIM so i dont know how it'll sound compared to the RTi speakers.

My main setup is all RTi speakers.

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Unless you plan on upgrading everything to the LSiM line, I would pass on the 704. It has a ring radiated tweeter and sounds completely different than both the RTi and TSx lines. You want to timber match your center to your L/R mains. The RTiA line (CSiA6) should matched quite well with your RTi8s.
Would it be that different that it would be a distraction?

Its my bedroom so i'm not finicky about timber matching. I haven't heard the LSIM so i dont know how it'll sound compared to the RTi speakers.

My main setup is all RTi speakers.
Distracting.
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Would it be that different that it would be a distraction?

Its my bedroom so i'm not finicky about timber matching. I haven't heard the LSIM so i dont know how it'll sound compared to the RTi speakers.

My main setup is all RTi speakers.
It's your system, so do whatever you think best. But I agree with climber07: you can't go wrong pairing those RTi8's with the CSi5/A6 unless you are already planning to upgrade to an all-LSiM line at some point.

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It's your system, so do whatever you think best. But I agree with climber07: you can't go wrong pairing those RTi8's with the CSi5/A6 unless you are already planning to upgrade to an all-LSiM line at some point.
Thanks Guys,i do plan to upgrade to the LSIM but not for a very long time. I wish i was in the US so i could hear it for myself and decide but ill stick to your advice and go the CSi5/A6 route.

The only reason i even considered it was because of the deal price on the 704.

Thanks again
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It's your system, so do whatever you think best. But I agree with climber07: you can't go wrong pairing those RTi8's with the CSi5/A6 unless you are already planning to upgrade to an all-LSiM line at some point.
And what a awesome upgrade that is let me tell you.

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Just upgraded from the t series to the signature series...and wow what an incredible difference in sound quality, I'm no audiophile by any means and know that the signature series for the most part is still an entry level set of speakers but they get the job done!
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Just upgraded from the t series to the signature series...and wow what an incredible difference in sound quality, I'm no audiophile by any means and know that the signature series for the most part is still an entry level set of speakers but they get the job done!
I just did the same. What center did you get?

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I bought the s35, I like the slim design. I also paired it with the s55 towers and s15 bookshelf.
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Hi All,

I am new to the home audio world. I just placed an order for a Denon X1400H receiver to paid with Polk Signature S55 towers, an S35 center, and two S15 bookshelf speakers from Best Buy. I wasn't a huge fan of the Polk subwoofer they had in stock, but I found a Polk SW505 subwoofer on Amazon that seemed like a lot of bang for the buck. Everything is coming later this week, so I am excited to hook everything up and give it a listen.

I am interested in potentially expanding my set for Dolby Atmos. My question is does Polk make an up firing speakers? If not, does anyone have any recommendations of up firing speakers that would pair well with my set up?
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I bought the s35, I like the slim design. I also paired it with the s55 towers and s15 bookshelf.
Were running the same set up.
The s35 is much better than the s30 so you made the right choice.
I tested the s35 on a shelf and wall mounted and wall mounted makes a lot of difference.
The dual powerports seem to work better when on the wall.
Possibly because it's not vibration on the shelf.

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How good are the RTi8 and CSi5 compared to something like an HTD Level 3 setup or Kef?

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I am interested in potentially expanding my set for Dolby Atmos. My question is does Polk make an up firing speakers? If not, does anyone have any recommendations of up firing speakers that would pair well with my set up?
I have the same question about up firing Atmos speakers to best match my Polk speakers.

My speaker setup:
Front L/R - SRS
Center - CS400i
Sub - PSW650
Surround - FXi5

I have a 9 foot ceiling so I think I can get away with putting some upfiring Atmos speakers on top of the SRS's. That will put them a little above the 50% of wall height recommendation, but I figure I could adjust the angle of the Atmos speakers a bit if necessary.

I thought about the Klipsch Atmos speakers, but I feel Klipsch speakers have a much different sound from Polk. I am wondering how the Elac A4's would work out. Or maybe use the Polk OWM3's for Atmos.

I'm still not clear on what circuitry is in official Dolby Atmos speakers that make them better for Atmos than just using a standard speaker.
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I have the same question about up firing Atmos speakers to best match my Polk speakers.

My speaker setup:
Front L/R - SRS
Center - CS400i
Sub - PSW650
Surround - FXi5

I have a 9 foot ceiling so I think I can get away with putting some upfiring Atmos speakers on top of the SRS's. That will put them a little above the 50% of wall height recommendation, but I figure I could adjust the angle of the Atmos speakers a bit if necessary.

I thought about the Klipsch Atmos speakers, but I feel Klipsch speakers have a much different sound from Polk. I am wondering how the Elac A4's would work out. Or maybe use the Polk OWM3's for Atmos.

I'm still not clear on what circuitry is in official Dolby Atmos speakers that make them better for Atmos than just using a standard speaker.
Up firing speakers rely on first reflection points. These give the effect of dispersion rather than directional audio. If you have acoustic panels on the ceiling or a ceiling that is angled, up-firing speakers may not be the best solution.

Here is an in-depth guide from Dolby Atmos that talks about installation and speaker types:

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf

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Budget Fighter II - Championship Edition.

Klipsch Reference R-15m vs. Polk Signature Series S15




It's been a long while since there has been a head to head Budget Battle. My previous Budget Champion, the Infinity Primus line, is now discontinued and some very worthy contenders have come vying for position.

Over the last few years the entry level speaker market has become one of the most competitive and quickly improving segments there is in home audio. Be it because of trickle down technologies from higher end siblings or fantastic offerings from internet direct brands, it doesn't matter. In the long run we all end up winners here.

The Tale of the Tape



We won't be crowning on overall champion, at this price point there are multiple great options that anyone would enjoy. This time we are going to take a detailed look at two major mass market and easily found products from Klipsch and Polk.

Enter Player One: The Klipsch Reference 15m. Released in late 2014 with a MSRP of $249.99. They are the improved successor to the Klipsch Icon line of speakers.

Enter Player Two:The Polk Signature Series s15. New for 2017 with a MSRP of $229.99. They appear to be the successor to the Polk TSi line and now appears to sit between the T series and the RTiA series.

Both of these speaker are easily found at Amazon, Best Buy and Fry's; which will make in-store and in-home additions all the more easier.

Let's start with a breakdown of each pair.

Klipsch Reference R-15m




Basic front and back shot. Not a bad looking speaker, the rest of the Reference and Reference Premier line, the copper cones quickly grab your attention.

While the Reference line is a replacement for the Icon line; according the the Klipsch forums, there has been some actual updates to the drivers, going well beyond just the color of the cone.

* All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
* All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
* All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
* All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series.

Reports are that this midrange update has resulted in better performing speaker, so it appears that these updates may have brought performance up a notch and are not purely cosmetic.

If someone with an Icon KB-15 would like to let me borrow a pair, we can do some indepth tests to see for ourselves.



I didn't want to try and pry the faceplates off, so we won't get as detailed of a view of the drivers, though removing tjr terminal cup shows the crossover, which proves that it's also the same crossover used in the Icon KB-15.

The inside of the box is about par for the course for many speakers at this price point. No center bracing, some corner braces, and a marginal amount of stuffing taken out for the photo.


Polk Signature Series S15





Completely new for 2017, The Polk Signature Series offers a little more than just a black box. The Polks also get a nice set of magnetic grills that easily pop on and off. Nice rounded edges on the top and bottom. The gloss plastic face plate is a little reminiscent of the Definitive Technology Studiomonitor line.

While I didn't experience it, there are reports of the lower part of the baffle vibrating a little bit, so watch out for that. Good news is that they are removeable so if you do encounter anything, the fix is an easy dab or two of glue away.

Album for some additional breakdown and driver photos http://imgur.com/a/D8rWu





Easy access to the crossover. Couple caps, couple resistors and a couple coils. Don't know much about crossover design. But it looks like there is a cap, inductor and resistor combo for each driver.

Corner braces and the top and bottom, and CENTER BRACING!!!! Something not seen on a many products in that price point. Looking at you ELAC.

Round One..FIGHT




Klipsch r-15m Graphs: Close Mic and 1m




The first thing I noticed was just how flat the tweeter output was in the close mic measurements. Within a 1db from 2.3khz to 10khz. The quick roll off and little peak at ~14k were present in both the close mic and 1m measurements.

The crossover claims seem to be pretty spot on at 1800hz, and rolls off impressively steep with little cone break up

Even in the close mic measurements the midrange output gets a bit of a ripple in the 600-1200hz range.

It does look like some of the port is tuned to around 60hz, but noise may find its way into the audible midrange output, as both peaks closely match the peaks in the 1m response.

Overall the Klipsch r-15m is a pretty well behaved speaker. But the peaks are noticeable in critical listening.

Klipsch r-15m Grill vs No grill.



The grills to have an measurable effect on the output. Further accentuating the bump at 2k and adding a null at 6k. I would leave the grills off if possible.

Klipsch r-15m: Horizontal off axis response.




The Klipsch horn does a great job here. Even very far off axis the output remains smooth, though becomes shoved down as you angle away from the horn. Sitting a little bit off axis shouldn't be too much of a problem in home theater use. The midrange humps remain. I think some minor EQing in the 500-1000hz range could really assist with their performance.

Klipsch r-15m: - Vertical off axis response.






The speaker is a much less well behaved as the listening axis raises or lowers. With treble out put getting much more uneven and significant nulls developing.

Round Two...FIGHT!


Polk Signature Series S15 - and honest +/- 3db speaker for 70hz to 19khz.




1m outdoor gated with averaged and summed below 400hz.

Port looks like it is tuned to about 70hz. Not particularly low for a 5.25 inch speaker. However in listening tests, where the speakers were 5+ feet away from a rear wall, indicated it can get plenty low for just about any music. Lower than the Klipsch often could. Perhaps an effect of the Power Port design? Searching seems to indicate that you are able to achieve similar tunings with shorter port lengths. Comparing them to the now discontinued Infinity Primus line of bookshelf speaker, which were all also ported in the 70 to 80 hz range, these manage to play much deeper.

During measuring, the mic with at the mouth of the port while the "power port" was still installed, and shows some port noise at ~900hz which also corresponds with the only random peak in response.
Repositioning the mic to the edge of the power port or removing the power port might give different results.

Polk says that the crossover point is 2.5.khz but measurements indicate it's closer to 1.7khz Regardless, the transition and summing is smooth.

Tweeter is plays smooth, without any major peaks or valleys. There is a slight rising rate which and and begins its slow roll off at about 13khz.

Polk Signature Series S15 Grill vs No grill.



The grills are largely free of any extra bracing and aside from some minor ripples, pretty transparent. Overall having much less of an effect than many other grills.

Polk Signature Series S15 - Horizontal off axis Response




Horizontal axis measurements are smooth with the peak at 950 becoming a little more prominent the farther you get off axis.
Polk Signature Series S15 - Vertical off axis Response






Negative Horizontal axis measurement are predictable. Once you are getting much more than 15 degrees below the tweeter you will see significant nulls in the crossover region.

Positive Horizontal axis measurement are equally predictable. And once you get to 45 degrees off axis you begin to see similar nulls.

At the end, if placement needs needs to be compromised, it's better to be above the speaker than below it.

This also might be nice carry over to desktop usage, where getting the tweeter at ear level can be difficult.

Round Three...FIGHT

Polk Signature Series S15 vs Klipsch r-15m




Getting the the results of this epic budget battle. The upper group of measurements are level matched at 1khz (and coincidentally at 500hz where the ground reflections take over).

You can see that the Klipsch has a pretty significant 3db peak centered at 650hz and is essentially 2db louder from 1.2khz to 3khz. I think both of these are trouble spots in the midranges performance has a larger party to place in the listening experience then what the tweeter is doing. The rising rate and the roll off of the treble accelerates a little more quickly too. The horn tweeter was never honky or harsh, what problems exist remain in the midrange driver performance.

In the lower direct A/B measurements, the Klipsch is very obviously and expectedly louder/more efficient. Giving a presentation that might seem more exciting if A/B tested in a show room.

The Polks have now become a legitimate go to choice and contender for anyone looking to spend in the $250 range for a set of speakers. Not only do they offer something new in looks, but construction is top notch and performance is very good. And in my opinion are better than the beloved ELAC's.

Overall both are good speakers and neither suffer from major deficiencies (HTD Level 2) and we are past the era of speakers punching out of their weight class, there are too much great products at this price range now. The Klipsch remains a contender in the class and shouldn't be dismissed without a listen, especially by those who assume they are just a pallet swap of the Icons or by anyone who will be using them in pure home theater application. But the Polks are just a clear step more refined and a better performing speaker overall and the winner here today.


Final Round...FIGHT!

Listening Experience

Overall, in AB testing its like the whole mix of the music changes between the two speakers.

The Klipsch r-15m is naturally more efficient, making for a easily louder presentation, vocals tended to be forward and things can be sharp or harsh at higher volumes. They repeatedly had the stronger center image and with the combo of forward vocals or where there was a lot of information in the peaky areas of the response could make that center placement distracting.

The Polk S15 had a sound stage far greater than the size of the speakers. Overall a much more neutral and natural presentation but still with a rising rate at the end of the tweeters range. Sometimes the midrange could seem slightly veiled, but always smooth.

Guns and Roses - Estranged

Klipsch - Sounds a little hollow. Like a "concert hall" effect has been put on the speakers. Very dynamic. Slash is dead center, almost distractingly so. Feeling a little hash.

Polk - Bass line is much more obvious. Almost drowned out with the Klipsch. Both handled the piano solos great.

Govt. Mule - John the Revelator

Marked difference in vocal staging. With the Klipsch being forward and Warren Haynes voice little rough. The Polks smoother more natural sounding and were lacking the same strong center image.

Iggy Azalea - Black widow

Here with the Klipsch you could really notice that vocal fry. But very dynamic, a great example of a load and fun party speaker, not quite as full or deep in the bass. Pretty much everything the Klipsch got wrong the Polks got right, the played deeper, while you don't miss the technical nuances of Iggy's gangsta impression, the vocals were much smoother without any harsh fry.

The Heavy - Short Change Hero

I think the mix of this song is not one that lends itself to critical listening. But the Klipsch had a phone in a Red Solo Cup quality. The Polk's didn't fool you thinking you were watching the band live, but pulled the song off much better.

The Civil Wars - Billy Jean

One of my favorite test tracks. The Klipsch repeated their same forward vocals, very obvious due to strong left and right separation in the mix. But things still sounded ok. With the Polks we had a good example of the slightly veiled upper mid range and were missing some of the dynamics.

Dr. Dre - Kush

The Klipsch are clearly the party speaker winners here. Bass is a little lean, and Snoop Dogg sounds s little bit too in your face. The Polks were able to play a little deeper, but there was almost a bit of sibilance in T-Pain's hook.That was unexpected and the only time I ever noticed anything like that.

Transformers Last Knight AND Justice League trailers

The Klipsch really shine here, more dynamic, even in just a stereo configuration they provided a very strong center image. But again the bass impact was missing. The Polks kept their smoother characteristics, were able get a little closer to the bass depts of a Michael Bay explosion. Overall the sounded a bit fuller and the sound stage while not as laser focused in the center was much wider.

BONUS ROUND...FIGHT!!!


Polk Signature Series S15 vs ELAC B6



The ELACs have been a widely touted budget speaker since even before their release. While the hype has cooled, they remained a worthy choice. It's my opinion that Polk has usurped the former Budget King. Be it a case of economies of scale and being able to afford to build better cabinets, or design philosophies that didn't subdue the treble response. The Polks in my opinion best the ELACs in all but bass extension.

For a mass market speaker with easy access, the Polk Signature Series S15 is a major winner.
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climber07, Thanks for the link to the Dolby website. I may not have stated my question as well as I should have.

I understand the principle of up firing speakers delivering reflected sound to the listener. But, "Dolby Atmos Enabled" speakers apparently have some secret formula filtering circuitry licensed by Dolby, and the speaker companies are sworn to secrecy about this filtering. I'm trying to determine how important the Dolby filtering circuitry is to getting a good height soundfield.

My new receiver has Audyssey XT32. I'm wondering how well (if at all) the Audyssey works to compensate for using standard speakers vs. Atmos enabled speakers. And, also how well Audyssey would compensate for using non-Polk up firing speakers (since Polk does not offer a Dolby Atmos up firing speaker) .
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climber07, Thanks for the link to the Dolby website. I may not have stated my question as well as I should have.

I understand the principle of up firing speakers delivering reflected sound to the listener. But, "Dolby Atmos Enabled" speakers apparently have some secret formula filtering circuitry licensed by Dolby, and the speaker companies are sworn to secrecy about this filtering. I'm trying to determine how important the Dolby filtering circuitry is to getting a good height soundfield.

My new receiver has Audyssey XT32. I'm wondering how well (if at all) the Audyssey works to compensate for using standard speakers vs. Atmos enabled speakers. And, also how well Audyssey would compensate for using non-Polk up firing speakers (since Polk does not offer a Dolby Atmos up firing speaker) .
Bottom line up front - go with ceiling mounted speakers if you can.

Atmos enabled speakers aren't all that different. They just produce a more diffused sound by sending the signal up to the ceiling. They are designed to sit on your mains or on your console/media center. No secret crossovers or anything. Just built a little different as they are floor speakers with upward facing drivers for the Atmos sounds.

Any speaker you use, other than dipole/bipole, will be fine. Ceiling mounted is ideal, but you can use wall or shelf speakers too.

I would actually recommend/prefer the ceiling and wall mounted speakers for the different Atmos channels. The document I linked actually talks about that a little. Dr. Google has a lot of resources.

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I understand the principle of up firing speakers delivering reflected sound to the listener. But, "Dolby Atmos Enabled" speakers apparently have some secret formula filtering circuitry licensed by Dolby, and the speaker companies are sworn to secrecy about this filtering. I'm trying to determine how important the Dolby filtering circuitry is to getting a good height soundfield.
The Dolby Atmos Enabled (DAE) speaker technology is not really a secret. Here's a good, concise explanation from audio industry insider Sanjay Durani:

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Atmos Enabled speakers have a frequency response squiggle in their crossover network that tricks the ear into thinking those sounds are coming from above. It's called Dolby Elevation processing and looks like this:

This frequency response squiggle is not in any other type of speaker (doesn't need to be), making Atmos Enabled speakers unique. When you tell the AV receiver that you're using AE speakers, it prevents the room correction system from flattening out the Elevation squiggle (which it would otherwise do and thereby destroy the psychoacoustic height effect).
In short, if you use DAE speakers, then you need to make the corresponding selection in your AVR speaker configuration settings. And, conversely, if you use standard bookshelf speakers in the upfiring configuration with the DAE speaker setting in your AVR, you will not get the intended effect.

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My new receiver has Audyssey XT32. I'm wondering how well (if at all) the Audyssey works to compensate for using standard speakers vs. Atmos enabled speakers. And, also how well Audyssey would compensate for using non-Polk up firing speakers (since Polk does not offer a Dolby Atmos up firing speaker) .
The higher levels of Audyssey room correction (e.g., your MultEQ-XT32) will help to adjust for some speaker variances, but the ideal solution is to match the composition and technology in speaker components throughout your system if practicable.

As climber07 says, ceiling-mounted speakers are your best bet. As a reasonably-priced and practical solution, those Polk Audio OWM3's you mentioned earlier are a good option ($160 for two pairs in either Black or White from Polk's eBay store).

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RTIA3 or FXIA6 Rear Surround?

I am looking for opinions on which of these is better for rear surrounds.
This is my current setup:
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Rear surround ??? (I am cosidering RTIA3 or FXIA6) I am looking for input regarding these 2 speakers or any other suggestions.
My room is 12 x 21
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I am looking for opinions on which of these is better for rear surrounds.
This is my current setup:
Pioneer 921
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Center CSIA6
Subwoofer NRG NX-bas-500
Side surrounds FXIA6
Rear surround ??? (I am cosidering RTIA3 or FXIA6) I am looking for input regarding these 2 speakers or any other suggestions.
My room is 12 x 21
Rear surround channels - Direct speakers (e.g. in-wall or bookshelf). Side surround - bipole/dipole.


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Got my RTi A7s last night, they're great. Using the same receiver, there's not a tremendous improvement in sound over the RTI6 they replaced. But still, they look very nice and I'm sure would be a huge improvement if I didn't have a sub. I think the only problem with them is they need to be wiped down really well. The finish is somewhat rough on top, but it can be buffed off. Almost like it's dust that's stuck to it.

Question: If Audyssey is giving them positive 3.5 trim after running, is that indicative that my receiver is not adequate?

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Got my RTi A7s last night, they're great. Using the same receiver, there's not a tremendous improvement in sound over the RTI6 they replaced. But still, they look very nice and I'm sure would be a huge improvement if I didn't have a sub. I think the only problem with them is they need to be wiped down really well. The finish is somewhat rough on top, but it can be buffed off. Almost like it's dust that's stuck to it.

Question: If Audyssey is giving them positive 3.5 trim after running, is that indicative that my receiver is not adequate?
Not at all. You could definitely use an external amp for more power though. Especially at reference volume.
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Rear surround channels - Direct speakers (e.g. in-wall or bookshelf). Side surround - bipole/dipole.

Thanks for the diagram. Is my subwoofer ok placed between the center & left front? I was leaning towards the RTIA3 for rear surrounds. I have actually ordered them & should be here next week. I have seen in the forums some people who have the FXIA6 for side & rear surrounds which is why I am looking for opinions. I can get the RTIA3 & FXIA6 for the same price so price isn't a factor.
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Thanks for the diagram. Is my subwoofer ok placed between the center & left front? I was leaning towards the RTIA3 for rear surrounds. I have actually ordered them & should be here next week. I have seen in the forums some people who have the FXIA6 for side & rear surrounds which is why I am looking for opinions. I can get the RTIA3 & FXIA6 for the same price so price isn't a factor.
Thanks again
Placement of subwoofers is always "room dependent" and rarely, if ever, conforms to aesthetics. Corner loading will increase your SPL due to added room modes (i.e. corners) but can also add a boomy sound sometimes. The sub crawl is probably the best way to place a sub.

Put the sub in your main listening position (in the chair if you have to) then crawl around the room (preferably with an SPL) measuring bass sweeps from 20 - 200 Hz. Wherever you have the best response across the freq range is where your sub should go.

No one can tell you if any position is good. Only moving it around until you are happy with the sound will work. The last thing you want to do is put the sub where it looks best and be sitting in a null.
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