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If they are these speakers and in reasonable condition, then yes you'd be getting them for 1/10th of regular price.
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Oops I meant they are sale (new) for $999.00 a pair, same as at Music Direct. Thanks for the link. I hope to go listen to these next week.
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Huh, listening fatigue is usually caused by excessive treble; I've never heard of anyone getting it from too much midrange.

Unless you're listening to Celine Dion wailing at the top of her lungs for hours on end, of course.
(Personally that would give me nausea much faster than listening fatigue, lol.)
I always figured fatigue was caused by high treble as well like above 10k but actually I think I read somewhere that 99% of musical frequencies are below 6k Hz. If you do a sweep in REW or some other means and just go up to 4k you'll hear how high pitched it sounds there. From 2k-4k is where our ears are very sensitive and this is generally the range that gives fatigue after long listening sessions. Every speaker that I like and have measured and consider "laid back" has about a 5 decibel drop around 1k to at least 5k.
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Oops I meant they are sale (new) for $999.00 a pair, same as at Music Direct. Thanks for the link. I hope to go listen to these next week.
I was about to ask where you saw the $99 price for Jades and buy them before you did. LOL

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I was about to ask where you saw the $99 price for Jades and buy them before you did. LOL
Me too...had a feeling that was probably a typo.
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I noticed on this company's website today that they have an open box pair of rosewood Jade 3s for $799.00.

Any owners of these speakers care to offer an opinion? My fronts are Dali Helicons. I intend to use them as surrounds at present but have plans to set up a 2.1 system with bookshelfs/sub for music.
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I've decided to go with 3 220's across the front instead of using Diamond 10 CS, my 2nd set of 220's will be here tomorrow, if anyone else wants to use a 220 as a center channel let me know as I'll have a brand new one in the box that I could ship out. They are walnut by the way. Anyone wanting to use the 10 CS as MTM fronts should take advantage of how cheap they are on music direct by the way, they really are very solid speakers and I almost don't want to let them go but they just don't quite work in my setup and for some reason there is just something special about a good 2 way Bookshelf speaker when it comes to music for me. Oh and the little rubber pieces used to allow it to sit flat for center channel use are just held on by an adhesive that feels like they would just pull right off without hurting the finish so they'd be great for anyone looking at them for fronts. Just make sure you have the room they are pretty big.
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I've decided to go with 3 220's across the front instead of using Diamond 10 CS
I'd be curious to hear how you find the extra 220 as a center vs the 10.CS, in a direct switch comparison.

Will you have the center 220 on its side or vertical?

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I'd be curious to hear how you find the extra 220 as a center vs the 10.CS, in a direct switch comparison.

Will you have the center 220 on its side or vertical?
I've used a 220 as center with the 10 CS as mains and the 220's as mains with a 10 CS as the center, it's pretty much the same story, the 10 CS is a fuller sounding speaker and probably better for home theater but for my purpose the 220 does fine. Of course the 10 CS suffers the normal problems of an MTM speaker laying on it's side so if that's a concern you might go with the 220 but I'm always directly in front of it so it's no big deal to me.
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So I think I just talked myself back from buying a set of used J7s, CS2 and DFSs. Not sure if they were a good price or not.

Anyways, my Evo 40's suffer from the usual for these models. The speaker grill tabs break off. I've managed to save a couple of broken ones. Has anyone got and useful ideas on how to reattach the posts back to the grills? Hoping it doesn't involve industrial strength glue and 6 inch nails...

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Does anyone have the Diamond 10.7? How do you like it for music? I'm looking at getting a pair and at the current price of $699/pair, they seems like an absolute steal.

My main concern is that I'm coming from a pair of Martin Logan LX16s which have ribbon tweeters, and that the 10.7s are going to loose a lot of that high frequency clarity. Thoughts?
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Just did the same move from my theatre speakers to a dedicated 2.0 music setup. As much as I liked the fullness and awesome midrange of 10.7's I kept missing that crisp sound the ML's make. only you can decide but I kept finding myself in the basement jamming out to the ML's more.

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Love these Wharfedales

My son and I just recently upgraded both are systems. His is now Diamond 10.2 fronts 10.1 Rears 10CM Center and HSU Sub, system sounds fantastic in 2.1 CH and Surround also.


I have a 2.1 system Jade 3's which are really good sounding speakers, with an HSU Sub also for the ultra low sounds.


His Diamonds sound almost as good, but not quite, but his were a bargain compared to mine :-)


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Just got some diamond 10.7s because many people said they were warm and laid back. Honestly, I'm not hearing that yet. They are a little bright for me, more in the midrange it seems. Do they get better with break in? Some of it could be my room. I like listening to music in pure direct mode, but Audyssey helps tame them a bit.
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Got my Dentons up and running for the time being. Very impressed so far. However, I am just curious to know what other Denton owners are using, if any, for a center channel? I have no interest in using any surrounds and/or a sub when watching movies/tv. Just want to get much better dialogue intelligibility. That being said, it appears that not many really care for the Wharfedale Diamond centers too much. As such, looking for something that would blend in w/the Dentons while offering excellent dialogue intelligibility. Here are a couple that I am currently considering:


Klipsch RP 250-C

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP2...50C-Ebony.html



KEF Q200C

https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Q200C-Cen...ords=KEF+Q200C



My concern here is that Klipsch has been way too bright for my ears in the past. It does appear that the overly aggressive brightness that Klipsch is well known for has been tamed with the Reference Premiere line. But, how will a horn loaded tweeter blend with my Dentons? Keep in mind that I listen to music in 2-Channel and will NOT be using the center for such purposes. Will ONLY use the center when watching a movie or tv. Much more concerned about dialogue intelligibility.


Are there any other centers that I need to consider? Not interested in a HUGE center. No need for that here. I do not listen at reference levels as I reside in a small 1BR apartment. Will NOT be listening to SACD's so multi-channel music listening is not needed. Not a gamer either. Just merely a 2-Channel music listener that does watch a few movies/tv sometimes. In fact, I plan to start watching more 4K BR's. Just really don't care too much about having a HT. Lastly, I am NOT looking to spend a small fortune on a center channel speaker either. Thanks!



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Got my Dentons up and running for the time being. Very impressed so far. However, I am just curious to know what other Denton owners are using, if any, for a center channel? I have no interest in using any surrounds and/or a sub when watching movies/tv. Just want to get much better dialogue intelligibility. That being said, it appears that not many really care for the Wharfedale Diamond centers too much. As such, looking for something that would blend in w/the Dentons while offering excellent dialogue intelligibility. Here are a couple that I am currently considering:


Klipsch RP 250-C

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RP2...50C-Ebony.html



KEF Q200C

https://www.amazon.com/KEF-Q200C-Cen...ords=KEF+Q200C



My concern here is that Klipsch has been way too bright for my ears in the past. It does appear that the overly aggressive brightness that Klipsch is well known for has been tamed with the Reference Premiere line. But, how will a horn loaded tweeter blend with my Dentons? Keep in mind that I listen to music in 2-Channel and will NOT be using the center for such purposes. Will ONLY use the center when watching a movie or tv. Much more concerned about dialogue intelligibility.


Are there any other centers that I need to consider? Not interested in a HUGE center. No need for that here. I do not listen at reference levels as I reside in a small 1BR apartment. Will NOT be listening to SACD's so multi-channel music listening is not needed. Not a gamer either. Just merely a 2-Channel music listener that does watch a few movies/tv sometimes. In fact, I plan to start watching more 4K BR's. Just really don't care too much about having a HT. Lastly, I am NOT looking to spend a small fortune on a center channel speaker either. Thanks!



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I use a Wharfedale 220c and very happy with it. Voice clarity is very good.

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Just got some diamond 10.7s because many people said they were warm and laid back. Honestly, I'm not hearing that yet. They are a little bright for me, more in the midrange it seems. Do they get better with break in? Some of it could be my room. I like listening to music in pure direct mode, but Audyssey helps tame them a bit.
When we say a speaker is warm and laid back it means it has well defined bass and tweeter has slight roll off at the top. So the midrange sounds bright? Care to share what equipment you are using with the speakers and what your room looks like? I'm surprised you find them bright. What other speakers are you comparing them to?

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I use a Wharfedale 220c and very happy with it. Voice clarity is very good.

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Thanks for your reply. I am happy to hear that you like the 220C. But, I have ready several times that dialogue intelligibility is not too good on any of the Diamond centers. A lot of people do not care for the B&W 600 series centers either. Most opt for the CM series centers which are more expensive. I see that Wharfedale has centers for their respective Diamond series but nothing for the Dentons 80th Anniversary. Could it be that the Dentons were not designed to have a matching center? I am not a HT guy anyways. Just need a center for better dialogue clarity. Maybe my hearing is NOT what it used to be either. BTW, I agree that GOD is good!



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Thanks for your reply. I am happy to hear that you like the 220C. But, I have ready several times that dialogue intelligibility is not too good on any of the Diamond centers. A lot of people do not care for the B&W 600 series centers either. Most opt for the CM series centers which are more expensive. I see that Wharfedale has centers for their respective Diamond series but nothing for the Dentons 80th Anniversary. Could it be that the Dentons were not designed to have a matching center? I am not a HT guy anyways. Just need a center for better dialogue clarity. Maybe my hearing is NOT what it used to be either. BTW, I agree that GOD is good!



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Probably because the Denton line were designed for music listening only and not for home theater.

I find dialog on the diamond 220c to be very good btw. This could depend on sound settings and acoustics as well as the overall sound of the speakers. Your mileage may vary.

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Probably because the Denton line were designed for music listening only and not for home theater.

I find dialog on the diamond 220c to be very good btw. This could depend on sound settings and acoustics as well as the overall sound of the speakers. Your mileage may vary.

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Thanks once again. Will look into the 220C more. Would love to keep it all in the same family per se. Yeah, I find the Dentons to be very musical. Loving them so far. Sure are much BIGGER than I thought.......LOL!!!!!


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You could try a RSL CG23 or CG24, I'm using RSL for Atmos and they are nice speaker.

https://rslspeakers.com/product/cg23...enter-channel/

https://rslspeakers.com/product/rsl-...tudio-monitor/

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When we say a speaker is warm and laid back it means it has well defined bass and tweeter has slight roll off at the top. So the midrange sounds bright? Care to share what equipment you are using with the speakers and what your room looks like? I'm surprised you find them bright. What other speakers are you comparing them to?
I think the main issue is my room. It's fairly large and reflective, with a 12' ceiling and wooden floors. I do have an area rug and some furniture, but it's still kind of "live." I have them paired up with a Marantz SR6011. Maybe they just needed a little breaking in, but they do seem to sound a little better now. I don't mind listening to them in pure direct mode, but I think I still prefer using Audyssey room correction. I think the midrange dip that's built into their reference curves helps tame some brightness/harshness. I also use the tone control to lower treble just one notch, and things are sounding very nice for music.

My old speakers were Polk TSi400s, which I thought were a little bright, too. A lot of people said those were pretty neutral, so I suspect my room is throwing things off a bit. The room EQ is a nice tool to have.
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I think the main issue is my room. It's fairly large and reflective, with a 12' ceiling and wooden floors. I do have an area rug and some furniture, but it's still kind of "live." I have them paired up with a Marantz SR6011. Maybe they just needed a little breaking in, but they do seem to sound a little better now. I don't mind listening to them in pure direct mode, but I think I still prefer using Audyssey room correction. I think the midrange dip that's built into their reference curves helps tame some brightness/harshness. I also use the tone control to lower treble just one notch, and things are sounding very nice for music.

My old speakers were Polk TSi400s, which I thought were a little bright, too. A lot of people said those were pretty neutral, so I suspect my room is throwing things off a bit. The room EQ is a nice tool to have.
You need room treatments! I also have big space and hardwood floors and since adding room treatments it cut down all the reflections and echos and the room sounds much better.
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You could try a RSL CG23 or CG24, I'm using RSL for Atmos and they are nice speaker.

https://rslspeakers.com/product/cg23...enter-channel/

https://rslspeakers.com/product/rsl-...tudio-monitor/

Thanks for the suggestion. I will be sure to look into it. Never even thought about RSL. Will read up on it some more. I know that RSL is highly regarded on various forums. Appreciates the links!



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