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i gave my emp towers and big center to my parents. they like them but didnt use them much.

i took the subwoofer away and set them to large. now they listen to the speakers all the time. i guess older people dont like the boom boom.

they sound pretty good without a sub. really good
they dont watch action movies so i think this is a perfect set for them. not too bright, not boomy, everything is balanced

im taking the surrounds as well.

should i run audyssey again?

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i gave my emp towers and big center to my parents. they like them but didnt use them much. i took the subwoofer away and set them to large. now they listen to the speakers all the time. i guess older people dont like the boom boom. they sound pretty good without a sub. really good. they dont watch action movies so i think this is a perfect set for them. not too bright, not boomy, everything is balanced
im taking the surrounds as well.
should i run audyssey again?
Damn, you're making me really want to order a pair of R55s myself!

Sure, no harm running audyssey but don't assume it will necessarily sound "better"---there is a significant chance it may sound worse. Ideal would be if the AVR has a one button "Audyssey off" and "Audyssey on" with last settings saved, so you can compare directly. Coin toss which would be the winner, IMO.

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I dunno, to my ears the R5Bi sounded like their roll off was more like 70Hz or even 80Hz. I pushed them within 2" in front of a wall and there was never any boominess or congestion despite being rear-ported, which to me is another indicator of very little mid-bass output.

Loved them as soon as I turned on my sub, but would never recommend them for anyone without a sub.
My audition of them was a while back and not under particularly controlled conditions, so I'd trust your assessment better than mine.
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Just received a partial order today. Got the center speaker, goodness that thing is a beast. Getting my towers tomorrow.


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What stands would be good to use with the R5Bi bookshelf speakers?


They are 6-7/8" W x 12-3/4" H x 8" D and weigh 7.5 lbs.



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What stands would be good to use with the R5Bi bookshelf speakers?
They're pretty light and compact, so anything will do. Best bang for the buck IMO are these:
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-QDUPYR...er-Stands.html

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They're pretty light and compact, so anything will do. Best bang for the buck IMO are these:
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-QDUPYR...er-Stands.html
What do you think of these?

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Adjustable height which is nice since the back of my couch is about 28 inches (to make the rear speakers clear the height)
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What do you think of these?

https://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Adj...611G2V8YJ04KYD

Adjustable height which is nice since the back of my couch is about 28 inches (to make the rear speakers clear the height)
On paper, they should work fine...make sure you have some Blue Tack on hand.

The Sanus stands look more solid to me though. If you are worried about them elevating the tweeters too much, you can always put something under the speakers to tilt them downwards slightly.

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On paper, they should work fine...make sure you have some Blue Tack on hand.

The Sanus stands look more solid to me though. If you are worried about them elevating the tweeters too much, you can always put something under the speakers to tilt them downwards slightly.
I just want something that would clear the back of my couch.


I'm doing a 7.1


So i'm following this placement guide:


http://www.the-home-cinema-guide.com...cement-7-2.png
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I just want something that would clear the back of my couch.

I'm doing a 7.1

So i'm following this placement guide:

http://www.the-home-cinema-guide.com...cement-7-2.png
Looks good. Though their sub placement is a little odd.

Any way, either speaker stand would easily clear a 28" couch.

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Looks good. Though their sub placement is a little odd.

Any way, either speaker stand would easily clear a 28" couch.
Where should I place the sub?

Since I need 4 stands, I should get a pair of the ones you mentioned for the L and R surround

Then get a pair of the adjustable one for the rear.

Will that look weird to have 2 different types?
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Where should I place the sub?

Since I need 4 stands, I should get a pair of the ones you mentioned for the L and R surround

Then get a pair of the adjustable one for the rear.

Will that look weird to have 2 different types?
I'd always try corner placement first with any sub, to get maximum room reinforcement. If running 2 subs, using two diagonally opposite corners is usually recommended.

No, I don't think having 2 different types of speaker stands would look weird, esp. since they'll both be black.

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Now I am looking for a used sub to complement the HSU.

Can I use a smaller one? The HSU one is huge already. I have been browsing craigslist for a smaller sub around $250 or less. Maybe a 10" ported instead of sealed since the HSU is ported.
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I'm not sure when my order will ship but soon I'll be the proud owner of a pair of R55ti's and that r56ci Center! I can't wait to hear these. Coming from those AJ Pioneers.

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What do you think of these?

https://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Adj...611G2V8YJ04KYD

Adjustable height which is nice since the back of my couch is about 28 inches (to make the rear speakers clear the height)
If you have heavy surrounds I wouldn't get them. They aren't structurally rigid.

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I already bought them and so far they are doing pretty good with the R5Bi @ 7.5lbs each.


For the side surround I got the VIVO stands which are wider .


So for now I have everything set up. My HSU sub is only at 40% and it is really loud and rambles.
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I already bought them and so far they are doing pretty good with the R5Bi @ 7.5lbs each.


For the side surround I got the VIVO stands which are wider .


So for now I have everything set up. My HSU sub is only at 40% and it is really loud and rambles.
Hsu? Which one did you get? I've heard about the VTF-2 MK5 Sub bring the best under a Grand...Your thoughts? I'm coming from an 8 inch Andrew Jones Pioneer.


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That's the one I bought and I was coming from Bose Acoustimas 10. I used the CD that HSU sent to calibrate the sub and it is highly 'customizable'. I have it at around 40% volume and it shakes the room (16x22). I was going to go with the VTF 3 but it would have bee an overkill for my space. SO far I have no complaint.


I might eventually pair the sub with another one; maybe a smaller 10 inch if I see a good deal out there.


My neighbor who is a music/movie fanatic came over and didn't know about HSU, after coming over 2 times, he is getting ready to order the same one that I have.
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I've heard about the VTF-2 MK5 Sub bring the best under a Grand...Your thoughts?
Well, it's the best around the $600 range.

If you go up to $900 there's the VTF-3 its bigger brother or ULS-15 the sealed version of the VTF-3, or the PSA 15V at $950.

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Well, it's the best around the $600 range.

If you go up to $900 there's the VTF-3 its bigger brother or ULS-15 the sealed version of the VTF-3, or the PSA 15V at $950.
At that point I might as well get the HSU dual sub model right ?

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At that point I might as well get the HSU dual sub model right ?
There are a lot of diverse opinions about the pros and cons of having one massive killer sub vs two medium killer subs. You could probably browse or post in the subwoofer forum and find a lot of very detailed arguments about that. In a nutshell, having 2 subs = room nodes are evened out so that you get a flatter more consistent output across the frequencies, but the downside MIGHT be that they are harder to set up placement wise and EQ/tweak to their full potential than a single sub...in this case the VTF-3 would go lower and louder than 2 VTF-2, but it all depends on your preferences and your room and placement situation.

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Cross post from the EMP forum:

Hello all, I've had a couple of opportunities to get the R5Bi's out and listen to them along with
doing some REW measurements with a miniDSP UM1k mic.I did another round of the R5Bi's a/b'd with def tech PM1000's at louder volumes.

On tracks like Weezer's Island In The Sun, Paul Simon's Kodachrome and the Eurythmics Sweet Dreams, I all
around prefered the R5Bi's smooth sound and great imaging. On Eminem's My Name Is, the PM1000's was more composed with their passive radiators vs the ported R5Bi's sounding like it
was about at it's limits with the woofers working a bit too hard and perhaps some cabinet resonance. Now this is 2.0 full range direct mode and I would never normally listen in this way when I have medium size room that is part of a much larger open floor plan when I have four subs to do the heavy lifting.

I've also seen because of the great reputation the R5Bi has it ends up being compared to other well reviewed (and larger) bookshelves. I don't have any new competitors but I have PSB 300 bookshelves I've been using in the master bedroom. Some of you may remember the original PSB Alpha bookshelves where all the rage years ago as the go to value audiophile speaker when it came out. The 300 made at the same time as the Alpha was to me was the Alpha with more and deeper bass. Here's a graph of their response in my living room at mlp.

http://i.imgur.com/cUUIG9Y.jpg

I also ran a quick Audyssey calibration on my Denon 2113 separately with the R5bi's and the 300 as mains and it picked 120Hz and 60Hz as the crossover respectively that's what prompted me to dig out my mic.

My living room has big 35Hz room mode when speakers are flanking the TV and measured at the mlp that really helped the PSB measure lower than it has a right to. It wasn't quite as unfair in my master bedroom.

http://i.imgur.com/KOtovrr.jpg

Listening to Bela Fleck and the Flecktones Flight Of The Cosmic Hippo with R5bi's in the master bedroom was the highlight of the day. It really wowed me listening near field with them just sitting on the stand below the TV hardly separated. Switching back to the PSB's was good too, just not as much if you don't count the extra bass.

Overall listening to the little R5Bi and the bigger 300 was pretty close with the R5Bi doing a little better all around except for the bass. It wasn't even close, it might as well been competing against a tower. I'd have to think if no matter how good the R5Bi is, it'd be a tough hill to climb beating out a bigger bookshelve strictly head to head and if you're going to use a sub anyway, that might not be the best way to decide the winner.

Don't be fooled by this pic, the PSB is bigger and heavier than what it appears in the image.

http://i.imgur.com/SwmWIs9.jpg

Also, as demonstration of speaker positioning and it's effects. Here's the R5bi's measured at my living room mlp with the speakers moved no more than 2 feet in any direction between measurements. Perhaps the Denon Audyssey calibration combo would have picked a 80Hz crossover for the R5bi's

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Have the R55Ti and R56Ci in black. These things are huge! Sound great too. I demoed a number of speakers and these were my favorites overall.
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Now I just need to find a pair of the R5Bi bookshelves in black. Anyone have a pair they'd consider selling?
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Now I just need to find a pair of the R5Bi bookshelves in black. Anyone have a pair they'd consider selling?
I have a pair in Burl Red I'd sell, but unfortnately, not in black... :-(
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