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post #631 of 6808 Old 02-28-2008, 10:13 PM
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Hatchet,

I did some listening to the OMNIS10 sub. Tried a couple of different music styles. First some electronic music. AYA's strange flower (Naked Music studios) / followed by some John Legend - ordinary people / and finished it up with Jill scotts - a long walk (jazzanova remix).

The S10 is not very musical. I had to adjust the subwoofer channel level a -4 db ,in comparison to the velodyne, in order to get the sub to stop from overwhelming and smearing the midrange of the sats.

I messed a bit with the crossover as well trying 80 to a 100 to 120 to 150. Be prepared to do some tweaking to get this sub and sat combo to work.
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If anyone has heard both how would you compare the Omni 550 to the original omnisat? I am currently running 6 ominisats in a 6.1 setup with the sub crossover set at 80Hz. I am considering going 7.1 and replacing the mains with the 550s. Will the Omni 550s be an upgrade for music considering the sub and 80Hz crossover? Also for home theatre was thinking of using the two 550s as the phantom center and doing away with the omnisat I am now using for a center. Would the 550s provide more clarity for speech? So in the end I would have two 550s up front for mains and 4 omnisats as the rear surrounds...good or bad idea overall?
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If anyone has heard both how would you compare the Omni 550 to the original omnisat? I am currently running 6 ominisats in a 6.1 setup with the sub crossover set at 80Hz. I am considering going 7.1 and replacing the mains with the 550s. Will the Omni 550s be an upgrade for music considering the sub and 80Hz crossover? Also for home theatre was thinking of using the two 550s as the phantom center and doing away with the omnisat I am now using for a center. Would the 550s provide more clarity for speech? So in the end I would have two 550s up front for mains and 4 omnisats as the rear surrounds...good or bad idea overall?

i for one am running 550's as main with phantom center. i could not find a center to match the 550's. mirage and athen have a center that is supposed to match, but its not the same speaker imo. the vocals are clear, and pristine. and i do not miss the center one bit. i also find that unlike other towers with phantom center you do not have be perfectly centered in you seating.
enjoy the 550's they are beasts, and perform extremely well as home theater, and music.
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If anyone has heard both how would you compare the Omni 550 to the original omnisat? I am currently running 6 ominisats in a 6.1 setup with the sub crossover set at 80Hz. I am considering going 7.1 and replacing the mains with the 550s. Will the Omni 550s be an upgrade for music considering the sub and 80Hz crossover? Also for home theatre was thinking of using the two 550s as the phantom center and doing away with the omnisat I am now using for a center. Would the 550s provide more clarity for speech? So in the end I would have two 550s up front for mains and 4 omnisats as the rear surrounds...good or bad idea overall?

To my ears, the only differences between the 150s, 350s, and 550s are in the bass. From the midrange up, they sound identical.
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To my ears, the only differences between the 150s, 350s, and 550s are in the bass. From the midrange up, they sound identical.

would agree...slight but not much in the midrange. way more in the bass. thats what gives you that huge home theater sound even with a sub.
when i got the 150 i placed one on the left, and kept my 550 to the right. and did a comparison.
what a match, finally have that perfect matching sound that engulfs you.
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I am currently running 6 ominisats in a 6.1 setup with the sub crossover set at 80Hz.

IMO the Omnisats don't reach don't to 80hz. At least 100 and maybe 120.
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i for one am running 550's as main with phantom center. i could not find a center to match the 550's. mirage and athen have a center that is supposed to match, but its not the same speaker imo.

But have you heard them? Because many people think the directional centers Mirage has made in the past work just fine with omnidirectional L/R, and can be a lot easier to place than an omnidirectional center.

The Omni CC or OM-C2 might work too, setting aside mounting / placement questions.
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To my ears, the only differences between the 150s, 350s, and 550s are in the bass. From the midrange up, they sound identical.

Just to be clear I have the original omnisats that were replace by the V2s not the 150s.
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But have you heard them? Because many people think the directional centers Mirage has made in the past work just fine with omnidirectional L/R, and can be a lot easier to place than an omnidirectional center.

The Omni CC or OM-C2 might work too, setting aside mounting / placement questions.


no i have not, very difficult to audition where i live. nothing around me for a long ways.

i figure i will try this set up for a bit. i tend to mix and match until i get it just right. have been running 550's in phantom center, figure i would see what this was like.

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no i have not, very difficult to audition where i live. nothing around me for a long ways.

i figure i will try this set up for a bit.


Ditch your center is too high to be placed like that. See if you can mount it a little higher but upside down.
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Ditch your center is too high to be placed like that. See if you can mount it a little higher but upside down.

i got it under 6' its 5'7"...i thought as long as its under 6 it was ok to not invert...??
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Just letting everyone know that the 350's are just about non existent anymore. The only place I know of that has them is Vann's and they only have 1 black and 7 cherry as of last night. I tried ordering 2 (black) but to no avail.
So anyone looking for the 350's, looks like we missed the boat. If anyone knows where to get some, PLEASE let me know. I did get the 550's as the mains though.
What would make good rears other than the 350's I was going to get? I am still shocked.....had been keeping in touch with Vann's occasionally, but they flew off their shelves in the last 4-5 days......DAY-UM!!!!!
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I have the Mirage OM-6's that I bought years ago. They have the built-in powered subs and still sound great and I would like to keep them. Now, I want to build a HT set-up around these. I looked at the OMD-C1 ($750) and the OMD-R's ($2000/pair). I'm having a difficult time justifying spending $2700 just for the center and rears. This doesn't even include a sub. I know Mirage has others (Omni), but there seems to be a significant drop in price and I suspect performance in their other models. I understand timbre matching is important, but am not sure if this is critical. Does anyone have any suggestions on a brand that would complement the OM-6's or must I consider either staying with Mirage or switching brands for all speakers? I could live with spending about $1500-2000 for the center / rears.
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You could use a pair of OMD5 as surrounds.
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Just letting everyone know that the 350's are just about non existent anymore. The only place I know of that has them is Vann's and they only have 1 black and 7 cherry as of last night. I tried ordering 2 (black) but to no avail.
So anyone looking for the 350's, looks like we missed the boat. If anyone knows where to get some, PLEASE let me know. I did get the 550's as the mains though.
What would make good rears other than the 350's I was going to get? I am still shocked.....had been keeping in touch with Vann's occasionally, but they flew off their shelves in the last 4-5 days......DAY-UM!!!!!

just got a pair of 350s blacks from vanns a couple of days ago and they sound great with the 805...sorry to take the last set lol
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Anybody has any experience using acoustic panels with Mirage OM speakers? Do the panels affect the sound negatively since the Mirages use walls to reflect sound?

I want to hear opinions from people who don't have a dog in the fight.
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I'm really intrigued by the a Omnisat v2 setup and I'm considering a set. I'm hoping to get a chance to listen to a them this weekend. From everything I've read they seem to be a good match for my HT setup. ---Sm to med size rm - 13Wx17LX8.5H. The TV (Sony KDS60A3000 RPTV will be viewed across the width of the room (13 ft). For the wife acceptance factor and budgetary considerations I will be using our current TV stand and that leads me to my dilemma/question -

The TV stand has center drawer were we now keep the center speaker. Hopefuuly you'll tell me I'm wrong, but I'm guessing it would not be a good idea to put the v2 CC in that drawer because the speakers fire upwards. Would it be possible to tilt the speaker forward? If I can't put the CC in the drawer the other option is on a shelf on top of the TV(my wife prefers it in the drawer), but is there an issue with the speaker be that high (about 60)?

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i just got a pair of OMNI 350s and would like to know what some of you think would be best for the price

OMNISAT V2 CC for about $400

or

NANO-CC for $200

is the omnisat worth the xtra $200
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i just got a pair of OMNI 350s and would like to know what some of you think would be best for the price

OMNISAT V2 CC for about $400

or

NANO-CC for $200

is the omnisat worth the xtra $200

I have not heard either so take this with a grain of salt. The Omnisat would seem to be much, much better than the Nano based on specs. I don't know if either would be matched to the 350s though. Also $400 is alot to spend on one speaker considering the mains. I am in the same boat looking for a center and am thinking about using my existing Omnisat or getting an Athena LSC-100. I would like to try the V2CC but $400 geez....and if it did not sound good with the 550s that would suck.
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hey guys whats up? i just bought the omnisat v2 series w/ fs,cc,sats and the s10 sub. i've herd good things about mirage and i cant wait to get them in. does anyone else have this setup that could tell me their opionion about them. i tried to get a hold of the omni 350's, c150, and 150 for rears but i couldnt find them so i went w/ the v2's. how do you guys think they compare?
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Re m8trix and VOLKeith search for a center - is there no one still here who actually bought the Mirage C150 that's sold to go with these speakers, or the similar Athena model?

In any case you should read the discussion in the last few pages about those speakers.

I wouldn't use a Nano anything as a center except in a very small room and only with other Nano sats.
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alright here we go..

as you may have read in the past posts i bought a pair of 550's (they still have some at crutchfield for cheap)
then thanks to mr pulliman from avs, i acquired a pair of 150's for the rear.

well over the past week or so i have gone thru different set ups.
tried the 150 as the center above the tv, and below.
placed it high and inverted it to see if there was a difference.
placed the 150's in the rear inverted up high, then low (same height as the 550's)
when i had a 150 as center i kept re-playing a scene over and over again and switching the 150 off, and on (phantom center)

from all this work and many wall patches i have came to this realization.

1. i will no longer look for a matching center. thought about the 150, or the athena 100. the 550's do such a fantastic job (like no other speaker i have heard before) at creating the phantom center. that there is no need for one. in fact when comparing the 150 center, and phantom. i actually thought the phantom sounded better. it followed the actors on the tv and was very clear. wonderful.

2. the 150's match the 550's perfect. i thought the sound was more even, theater like when they were at the same level height wise as the 550's. i now have them mounted up right, at exactly the same height.

3. after all this i can finally be done with the speaker search and continue on with the receiver end.

4. keep the 550's at at least 12" from the back wall. let the omni technology do its job. they spread 6' wide from each other.

5. the 150's are fine on the wall but i have them 12" from the side wall. they are ported in the front also which eliminates a port plug.

6. i keep the grills on the fronts, both take the top grills off. let the omnis breath..

7. these are the best speakers for home theater i have had, or bought for the money...

$330. for the 550's crutchfield scrath & dent (they had neither)
$125 for used 150's perfect.

$480 total 12 g speaker wire for fronts, and home made wall mounts for 150's
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"the sound was more even, theater like when they were at the same level height wise as the 550's. i now have them mounted up right, at exactly the same height." Bingo.

Maybe you can testify to some of the newbies posting in the main forum that they might as well put their speakers in the right place sooner rather than later.
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hey guys whats up? i just bought the omnisat v2 series w/ fs,cc,sats and the s10 sub. i've herd good things about mirage and i cant wait to get them in. does anyone else have this setup that could tell me their opionion about them. i tried to get a hold of the omni 350's, c150, and 150 for rears but i couldnt find them so i went w/ the v2's. how do you guys think they compare?

The OmniSat v2 is a different grade of speaker, they're designed to be smaller and more compact than the Omni Series. Having said all of that, the tweeter appears to be better in the OmniSat Series (PTH type).

I recently tried out a pair of OmniSat v2's, and was very impressed with the sound.

You'll get fuller sound/bass with the larger Omni series speakers, but that's true for any larger speaker vs. smaller speaker.
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Hello all, in order to stay within budget I’m trying to cobble together a complete OMNI system by finding different components from different sellers. I found a set of the v2 FS off of Craigslist and I’ve run across some Omnisat Micros for a good price. Question is will the Micros be a good rear speaker match with the v2 FS?
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"the sound was more even, theater like when they were at the same level height wise as the 550's. i now have them mounted up right, at exactly the same height." Bingo.

Maybe you can testify to some of the newbies posting in the main forum that they might as well put their speakers in the right place sooner rather than later.

i agree, but with me its always try for myself. for years i always had the rears either very very high, or on the back wall. with the 150's at the same height as the 550's its a whole different world...., as far as whole in the wall, the wife could car less, its my small space and she rarely comes up.
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thanks for the feedback intense i was wondering how the base would sound w/ the v2 fs. The omni s10 sub should compensate for the low end right?
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1. i will no longer look for a matching center. thought about the 150, or the athena 100. the 550's do such a fantastic job (like no other speaker i have heard before) at creating the phantom center. that there is no need for one. in fact when comparing the 150 center, and phantom. i actually thought the phantom sounded better. it followed the actors on the tv and was very clear.

This has been my experience with my Def Techs as well (bipolar being similar to omnipolar.) I haven't used a center in years. I haven't tried my 350s as HT mains yet, but I probably should.
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I received my Athena LS-C100 a couple of days ago, and got my receiver (Onkyo 705) and my Omni 550's this morning. Two small hitches:
1) The delivery guy told me he delivered a package for me (my cables and banana plugs) yesterday, but delivered it to the wrong address!!! Moron!!!
2) One of my 550's was black and the other was cherry. Now I have to send it back and wait until I get the matching speaker.

The point of this baby rant is that I am one of those who actually purchased the Athena to try with the 550's. I was going to try it both ways and let you know which IMVHO was better. I will still do this, but instead of letting you all know sooner, it will have to be later.

I'm hoping that once everything is in place that it will be worth the (extended) wait!!!
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I received my Athena LS-C100 a couple of days ago, and got my receiver (Onkyo 705) and my Omni 550's this morning. Two small hitches:
1) The delivery guy told me he delivered a package for me (my cables and banana plugs) yesterday, but delivered it to the wrong address!!! Moron!!!
2) One of my 550's was black and the other was cherry. Now I have to send it back and wait until I get the matching speaker.

The point of this baby rant is that I am one of those who actually purchased the Athena to try with the 550's. I was going to try it both ways and let you know which IMVHO was better. I will still do this, but instead of letting you all know sooner, it will have to be later.

I'm hoping that once everything is in place that it will be worth the (extended) wait!!!

should have kept the other 550 over the weekend and gave us a review with 550 phantom and the athena center..
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