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post #6931 of 6949 Old 04-05-2015, 01:16 PM
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Ooopps.....just noticed mfg. discontinued these.
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This is what I use for my OMD-5s. Works perfectly. Teflon ball allows for almost any angle and direction. Most speaker manufacturers suggest 2 feet from the ceiling, and 2 feet from the back walls in a 5.0 type speaker configuration. I have tried that position, but because of the omni-polar throw pattern of the OMD design I tried the putting them directly into the corners, again 2 feet from the ceiling. This seems to produce the most diffuse rear sound field, reflecting equally from two adjacent walls, which to me sounds best.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If I remember correctly, the Mirage manual says specifically not to place the speakers in a corner.

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If I remember correctly, the Mirage manual says specifically not to place the speakers in a corner.
OMD-5 position suggestions by Mirage can be found here:

http://www.miragespeakers.com/docs/c.../OMD-5_OM.pdfu



Goes to show the importance of room interaction and how that will vary with different rooms using even the same speakers. As in anything, the suggestions by Mirage......are suggestions.

But you are right morbidcorpse, Mirage suggest trying to avoid the corners if at all possible. This is because Mirage believes that there needs to be approx. 2ft of "breathing" room on each side of the speaker. I think though, this more applies more to HT, and not music. Just a guess. Let me explain. In my system I have complete control over L/R balance and volume control over my rears (OMD-5s). I mostly listen to music in 2 channel. However, in the way that I can split the signal path in my system, I use the rears to only add enough ambient volume to barely be noticeable while listening to 2 channel music. I hardly ever watch movies, so side positioning could be better for that. But even with the few movies I've watched the surround sound effect with the OMD-5s in the corners does sounds really good.

In my case of using the OMD-5s in the corners I did add 10" extentions to the threaded post of the omni mounts to get the speakers about 12" from the corner. This also gives me 12" on each side of the speaker to breath. I think this has a lot to do with why they are working in the corners. (see pic below) I have thought about using an even longer extention maybe up to 2ft. The omni mounts are strong enough to do that, but it might just look a little strange.
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Oh, and just to be clear about how the extensions are used, the hex coupler screws 1/2 way onto the shaft of the omni mount. Then the threaded shaft also screws into the coupler. The other end of the threaded shaft screws into the OMD-5.
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Oh, and just to be clear about how the extensions are used, the hex coupler screws 1/2 way onto the shaft of the omni mount. Then the threaded shaft also screws into the coupler. The other end of the threaded shaft screws into the OMD-5.
Those extensions are pretty ingenious. I've actually been thinking I will have to use something like that when I go to an atmos setup. I don't think ceiling mounting will be possible in my room. BUT the room is just narrow enough that I think if I mounted the 4 height speakers on the wall, as close to the ceiling as possible, but used wall mounts with 2 foot extensions like you were saying, that would get the height speakers high up enough and overhead/far enough away from the wall, to work fairly well for atmos. Nice suggestion! I just hope those type of mounts are strong enough for that application?

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That seems like an idea worth pursuing. The omni mounts

(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

have a rating of 20lbs. The OMD-5s weigh 8lbs. You would be way within limits on the weight.

A couple of other suggestions:

* You might be able to run a small pipe left to right all the way across the listening area from left wall to right wall to mount the speakers to. You could also run the wire inside the pipe to hide it. You could drill a hole into the pipe at the speaker hanging spot for the place for the wire to exit. A pipe this long would sag the middle. But adding a T configuration would give support in the middle. It would look some like this:
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If you used a 1/2 threaded pipe (Lowes, Home Depot, etc.,) not only would it be cheap, but you could use two pieces of pipe with a threaded T-connector for the middle. Then a short threaded piece say 6" to go to the ceiling from the T-connector. On the ceiling side of this short piece they make flanges with female threads that the short support piece can screw into. This flange piece is usually 2>3in in diameter with 3 holes in it for mounting with screws. It could be easily painted to blend in with your ceiling. Just a idea.

If you Google Millenium Park in Chicago

https://www.google.com/search?q=mill...x%3B1445%3B473

You will see a field in front of the stage with a criss-crossed metal tube array over the field. On this tube array is where the speakers are mounted. Kinda the same principle as what you're trying to achieve
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Pay no attention to my diagram. It got totally screwed up in the transmission. Try again.




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Ok, I give up. The two square brackets in the double dotted line are the speakers hanging from the pipe. Visually, move the vertical line to the center of the speakers and you will get the idea of the T support for the middle of the rod.
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You need to use [code] tags to get it to line up like that

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Ok, I give up. The two square brackets in the double dotted line are the speakers hanging from the pipe. Visually, move the vertical line to the center of the speakers and you will get the idea of the T support for the middle of the rod.
Or I could just go the super easy route and mount the atmos speakers on the wall but use those extensions to get them 2 feet out from the wall. The room is only 14 feet or so deep, so getting the height spears up by the ceiling, but extending two feet out from the wall in the front stage and back stage should work pretty nicely I would think.

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You need to use [code] tags to get it to line up like that

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Ok thanks Jaba. But just to be clear, if I had put the vertical line in a bracket like that [|] it would have stayed centered?
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Is there much demand for used Mirage speakers? I have five nanosats and an OMD C1 that I'm no longer using. The prices on ebay are all over the place, and it doesn't seem like anyone is bidding on them.
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Is there much demand for used Mirage speakers? I have five nanosats and an OMD C1 that I'm no longer using. The prices on ebay are all over the place, and it doesn't seem like anyone is bidding on them.
I think there is still a demand, but mostly for the OMD line. Every time that Woot posts the OMDs they usually sell out fairly quickly. There has been some talk directly from Audiovox (owner of Mirage, I think?) that the OMDs may be put back into full production. BTW, I had the nanosats, and the were very superior to the Bose Cubes. Even thought about mounting then in my car at one time, lol
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Is there much demand for used Mirage speakers? I have five nanosats and an OMD C1 that I'm no longer using. The prices on ebay are all over the place, and it doesn't seem like anyone is bidding on them.
Definitely! But Woot crushed the resale value and dampened the demand by offering the OMD line at such low prices. If you want to move your speakers, you're going to have to sell them for substantially cheaper than people could buy them on Woot, I think. The only exception here being the OMD-R's, which woot hasn't sold. Those still fetch very high prices.

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Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with a question regarding the Omni 150. I need some rears to accompany my Energy RC-70/RC-LCR. I'm debating on the Omni 150 ($140 for a pair at amazon), Fluance XLBP-DW ($200/pr), Fluance AVBP2 ($120/pr), or some matching RC-10's ($200/pr on sale). I'm wondering which will get me the best rear surround effects. The RC-10's are bookshelfs, so obviously they wouldn't give the best lateral dispersion. I was considering them because they'd match. But for surround, that really leaves me with the Omni 150 design, or fluance design.

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Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with a question regarding the Omni 150. I need some rears to accompany my Energy RC-70/RC-LCR. I'm debating on the Omni 150 ($140 for a pair at amazon), Fluance XLBP-DW ($200/pr), Fluance AVBP2 ($120/pr), or some matching RC-10's ($200/pr on sale). I'm wondering which will get me the best rear surround effects. The RC-10's are bookshelfs, so obviously they wouldn't give the best lateral dispersion. I was considering them because they'd match. But for surround, that really leaves me with the Omni 150 design, or fluance design.

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None of those. Get OMD-5's

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Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with a question regarding the Omni 150. I need some rears to accompany my Energy RC-70/RC-LCR. I'm debating on the Omni 150 ($140 for a pair at amazon), Fluance XLBP-DW ($200/pr), Fluance AVBP2 ($120/pr), or some matching RC-10's ($200/pr on sale). I'm wondering which will get me the best rear surround effects. The RC-10's are bookshelfs, so obviously they wouldn't give the best lateral dispersion. I was considering them because they'd match. But for surround, that really leaves me with the Omni 150 design, or fluance design.

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It depends. Read this.
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None of those. Get OMD-5's
Thanks, I should've mentioned I'm trying to keep a $200 budget or so lol

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It depends. Read this.
I'd read a little on this but not that article. Interesting. I was considering either bipole or direct. Some of the cooler Energy surrounds can switch between di- and bipole, but I haven't been able to find any
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But you are right morbidcorpse, Mirage suggest trying to avoid the corners if at all possible. This is because Mirage believes that there needs to be approx. 2ft of "breathing" room on each side of the speaker. I think though, this more applies more to HT, and not music.
It's really about reflections. Giving the Omni-directional nature of the speakers, they are sending more sound to the sides. If the room is set up in a way that the reflected sound reaches your listening positions - it will muddy the sound. Shorter distances mean more volume in the reflected sound, and often angles that reflect toward the listening position.

Though some may like that for HT, it's more a matter of personal preference than a general truism. I'm not a fan of it, even for HT and certainly not for music.

Allowing more distance from the speaker to a side wall will lessen the volume of the reflection, as well as often making it less likely the sound reflects to the listening positions.
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I'm looking to upgrade to atmos would any of the mirage towers or satelites work well for atmos ??
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